Mouse-pig and super-fish seek approval for human consumption...Yummy!

It's one thing to clone an animal, and tell me what I'm eating. It's another to mess with its genetics beforehand, and add in some oh so tasty genetic material from sundry other creatures and not tell me about it. But thats what these "groups", and the governments of the US and Canada may very well have in mind for your family and mine.

Reminds me of the article I read about cockroach genes being used in tomatoes to increase shelf life. Lets hope that one never made it to the store. But if it did, would we even know about it?

Bon appetit!

OTTAWA - The federal government is refusing to say whether it is close to approving genetically modified animals for human consumption. But if they do, you may never know it.

The application for a genetically modified pig comes from the University of Guelph. Called Enviropig, researchers spliced DNA from mice into Yorkshire pigs to reduce the amount of phosphorous in swine's manure.

Under current regulations, there would be no requirement to tell the public the animals they are eating are anything other than a regular fish or pigs.

Mouse-Pig and Super Fish...

Oh, and here's the link to the aforementioned cockroach tomatoes. And a few other items for your perusal.
Flourescent cats, Spider goats, And...

reply to post by Klassified


This just makes me sick (as a Canadian) the GMO crops seem to be polluting the surrounding crops with it's pollen, and now may have a weird micro virus thing that causes premature births in animals! (there was an ATS thread about it)

I shudder to think that I may be eating a 'tinkered' animal and the unknown effects...as I understand it, activating one gene for one thing and deactivating a gene for another can have repercussions in other biological aspects of the animal. Pretty soon we're going to have an 'ingredients' list in our so called 100% meats (95%Beef, 2% scorpion, 1%pig, 3%broccoli).....but then again, we'll just never know either way...

Originally posted by Klassified
But if it did, would we even know about it?

Enviropig has been a totally transparent project since it's inception in 1999
SuperFish is also a fully disclosed project
www.aquabounty.com...

I just wish the FDA paid as much attention to the flood of pharma that reaches the public, only to more likely than not be named in a class-action lawsuit inside of 4 years after release
And wish Pharma was a bit more blatant about the "un-disclosed" results of clinical trials, instead of the "prejudiced" fact-releasing they do about their products.

A pig that contributes 65% less phosphorous pollution to "pristine" waters
A fish that ready for table in half the time
Sounds like dinner to me
At least I'll know what I'm getting, unlike most "new miracle" pills

reply to post by reticlevision


You're very right I agree with you, my problem is both...I don't want anyone fooling around with what goes in my body, be it food or pharmaceuticals.

We, as well as our foods are the products of evolution, mutation and the survival of the fittest.
The one common denominator is we all evolved together and have preyed upon each other for a long time.
These new genes they splice into animals for even very good reasons, have NOT been tested upon humans.
There is no way we should be consuming the genetically altered foodstuffs till it can be shown that they really are safe for consumption over the long haul.
Not only that, but the newly mutated foods are in turn transforming those natural foods produced in cencert with them.
We have seen the destruction of the bees which are a source of life to the entire plant world from nicotinoids which have aslo encouraged the micro fungus which has recently been discovered in GMO corns.
As well as contaminating the soil where these crops were produced.
How long before the land becomes fully infected with this fungus? or it mutates again into something even more deadly to us?

reply to post by stirling


Add to that the many stories of animals preferring natural foods to modified foods. One story that comes to mind are the cows that broke down a fence to get to the non GMO crop, when being fed GMO Crop.

reply to post by reticlevision

The problem isn't that the projects have been so secret, but that the FDA hasn't decided whether they plan on telling us if and when they approve it. Which implies there may not be any labeling either. Just as in pharma, people have a right to know what they're eating or ingesting.

reply to post by Klassified


That explains the horrible texture and weird bland taste of the tomatoes, and even the strawberries. We are passing up a lot of this stuff and will have to grow our own.

reply to post by Unity_99


The sad thing is, if the enhanced or GMO'd food tasted and looked the same, it might not be so bad, but there is a remarkable difference between industrial and free range chickens.
Less of a sickly looking carcass vs a healthy looking meat, or industrialized vs organic eggs...you'll find the latter is more yellow..and both taste better than their force fed, hormone/vaccine injected, mass produced, osteoporosis suffering counterparts.

With Vegetables and fruit, it's been documented that the scientifically 'influenced' food is larger, plumper, BUT much less nutritious and more bland, than their naturally grown counterparts.

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by reticlevision

 

The problem isn't that the projects have been so secret, but that the FDA hasn't decided whether they plan on telling us if and when they approve it. Which implies there may not be any labeling either. Just as in pharma, people have a right to know what they're eating or ingesting.

The projects ARE NOT secret
1999... full disclosure
not deemed by the FDA to be ready for public consumption after a decade of Open research
there's no secrets here
It's Mouse_Pig
pass the hot sauce

reply to post by Klassified


Hey! I've noticed that when I get home and turn on the lights at night, the tomatoes all tend to scurry about and run under the refrigerator and kitchen sink. That's pretty annoying, to be sure, but when these damned tomatoes started crawling up the wall, and ceiling, I knew something was up. I am going to the store and buying me some tomato hotels.

Black Flag...kills tomatoes dead!

You know what the doctor told the mommy tomato when her daughter was run over by a cockroach?

I'm afraid your daughter will be a vegetable for the rest of her life.

You know what the mommy tomato told her genetically modified son who had been crossed with a cockroach?

Stop being such a pest!

It would be funny if it wasn't so damned horrifying.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Horrifying-Schmorrifying
Mankind wouldbn't be alive today if not for "genetically-modified" food
Go find a glass of milk that doesn't contain growth-hormone
Go pick an apple off a tree that wasn't "selectively-bred"
Go to Burpee's seed catalog n find a strain of cucumber that is pure and "non_adulterated" by mankind


Why?
cause people need to eat
And selective breeding has occurred since the inception of a agriculture based society
Pet your dog while you are eating a "non-genetically" transformed peach
no selective breeding here
To think that's it's different because it's cross-species and a needle is involved in the inception is wholly against Johnny Appleseed's theorem

reply to post by reticlevision


Safe for public consumption is one thing, but what about QUALITY, NUTRITION, SAFETY. Keep in mind, until the 'mad cow' problem, no one had heard of 'prions' that caused that problem, and were caused by feeding cows to cows...You may be underestimating the impact these changes have. But my point is this...time and time again, the tinkering with foods as they are, more often than not leads to problems.

Case in point....Bland, less nutritious, 'inflated' fruit and vegetables.
sickly (and, again, less nutritious) looking 'mass production' chickens and eggs.

NOTHING good has come from messing with mother nature.....NOTHING....everything that's ever been done has had unforeseen negative impacts, look at fertilizers, insecticides...the more we play the more sh!t hits the fan.

reply to post by reticlevision


Yeah, that's the ticket...Gregor Mendel was cross breeding apple trees with cockroaches. Everyone knows that. What was I thinking? Hope that indoctrination is working out for you, sport.

Originally posted by arrus75
[. But my point is this...time and time again, the tinkering with foods as they are, more often than not leads to problems.

Mankind has tampered and "genetically_modified" flora as well as fauna since well forever
But, until 15 years ago, we couldn't make a mouse take it from a pig, at least not in the traditional way
1999....
How many years is that and the project hasn't been deemed fit for human consumption yet?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by reticlevision

 

Yeah, that's the ticket...Gregor Mendel was cross breeding apple trees with cockroaches. Everyone knows that. What was I thinking? Hope that indoctrination is working out for you, sport.

It is working out for me, sport
And there is no WAY you are indulging in solely "un-modified" food soucres
Can't happen

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

You had to have made those jokes up just now. Ever think about a career as a comedian? A latent talent maybe?

It would be funny if it wasn't so damned horrifying.

You're right. Horrifying and disgusting.

reply to post by reticlevision


Yeah right. If it's working out for you, I would suggest you take a look at your reply to arrus75. How did you put it? "...at least not the traditional way..." You may be fooling yourself, sport, but you ain't fooling anyone else. If you want to eat cockroach tomatoes, have at 'em. Me? I'll take the traditional tomatoes.

Agriculture, under your definition is genetic modification, and it is, it just isn't corn bred with elephants. Disingenuous propaganda is no better than sincere propaganda, but at least sincere propaganda is sincere, your particular brand of dis ingenuousness is comically banal.

Originally posted by reticlevision

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by reticlevision

 

The problem isn't that the projects have been so secret, but that the FDA hasn't decided whether they plan on telling us if and when they approve it. Which implies there may not be any labeling either. Just as in pharma, people have a right to know what they're eating or ingesting.

The projects ARE NOT secret
1999... full disclosure
not deemed by the FDA to be ready for public consumption after a decade of Open research
there's no secrets here
It's Mouse_Pig
pass the hot sauce

As I said. The problem isn't that the projects have been so secret....
And the article is recent. Meaning we could be seeing another step in this direction soon.

Are you trolling?

Please point out to me in your infinite wisdom i have appreciated on many many topics where it is that i have
been "disingenuous" on this subject matter
You cannot indulge in any food substance that has not been the creation of selective breeding by mankind toady, despite your proclaimed intelligence