Are the Rothschilds more powerful then anyone in history ever???

From what I have been reading about this family, they are the culprit behind almost every crooked thing that I have questioned, it's astonishing from what I ahave found out about them, everyone who I believed was a major player, turns out they are just an extension of the Rothschilds, it also doesn't appear that they have a clear cut motive, other then hoarding as much wealth as possible, and they seem to have no loyalties but to each other, I'm curious what you guys thinks, do they have a bigger lock on the world then say, the ancient egyptian pharohs? or Ghangas Khan? If they really have greater then 1/2 of all the wealth in the entire world then I would say so, the have truely conquered the world.

reply to post by PeoriaAZ


Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Duponts, Brezinsky (probably spelled wrong but who cares, screw that guy)....these guys are all just as evil as anyone has ever been. They are the proverbial "capstone" of the pyramid. Holding back knowledge, resources, and happiness is what they're all about.

reply to post by PeoriaAZ


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No the Pope controls all of them. Keep researching you will find this out.

We are still in the Roman Empire, it's global now, just think about it for a minute. So much Latin writing everywhere, on all of our government seals and insignia, all of our government buildings are built in the Roman styles. We still use Roman numerals for various things. We have inherited vast quantities from them.

The Pope is essentially the Caesar(Emperor of the Empire), his base where? The Vatican in ROME.

It's not a religion (Catholicism), it's a form of governance.

If you dig deep enough, you will find out that almost all major secret societies today (and there are 100s of them) derive from Papal Influence. He has gained control or gone into alliance with all of the worlds religions. He has special member status at the UN, and can walk in and talk anytime he wants.

The Government is actually called "The Holy See" please look it up. Look all of this up. Like in Encyclopedias, History books, check Govt websites for info, read the news, its everywhere everyday.
"All roads lead to Rome".

Also, there is a controversy about if the Pope or the Black Pope is more powerful. The Pope created the Black Pope (Leader of the Jesuits) back when the Protestant Reformation occurred to seek out heretics and either kill them or bring them back into the flock. 476 years ago. (They control the Protestants largely at this point, or are fully allied).

Even Castro was in cahoots with the Jesuits. This goes so freaking deep I can't barely even get into it. You seriously gotta LOOK IT UP. Once the pieces fall together you will be asking yourself this "Who is higher than the Pope"? And we haven't figured that out yet.

Did you know almost every world leader kisses the ring of the Pope?

Look up everything I said.
If I got it wrong, show me.
But please be open to the actual evidence surrounding you and take into consideration my argument.
Spend a day or two just reading about this stuff.

reply to post by Wildmanimal

have you been smoking crack dude?

its primitive imaginations like that that have got us in trouble in the first place!!

op, from what i gather,, everything, all the secret societies, the way of thinking, it all leads back to the vatican, aka the roman empire.

these books are well worth having a read of, if you've got an open mind and not manipulated by fear!- www.oldworldsecretcodes.zoomshare.com...

reply to post by raiders247


Many conspiracy theorists list the 'thirteen families' as being those who run everything. I forget who is all on the list, but I know that the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Duponts, Onassis, and... well, 9 more that I can't remember right now are on the list.

I don't know much on the subject, but if you search ATS or google for 'thirteen families' you'll probably find a lot.

EDIT: this is the alleged list:
Astor, Bundy, Collins, Dupont, Freeman, Kennedy, Li, Onassis, Reynolds, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russel, Van Duyn

Here I did a piece of the research for you. For everyone. Take this Diamond friends.

It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Roths-childs that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.

Source: Jewish Encyclopedia

Who is my source? Is it legit?
Let's Wiki it

The Jewish Encyclopedia was an encyclopedia originally published in New York between 1901 and 1906 by Funk and Wagnalls. It contained over 15,000 articles in 12 volumes on the history and then-current state of Judaism and the Jews as of 1901. It is now a public domain resource.

Roths-child means "Red Shield".
What shield might that be? Exactly, the Order of the Knights Templar
Nathan Mayer Rothschild was a member of the Emulation Lodge No. 12 in England.
Go google that theres plenty of sources, try to find a really solid one.

Some basic resources for you that are solid about general Pope info.
CIA Factbook
US State Dept

The Pope exercises supreme legislative, executive, and judicial power over the Holy See and Vatican City State.

The term "Holy See" refers to the composite of the authority, jurisdiction, and sovereignty vested in the Pope and his advisers to direct the worldwide Catholic Church. As the "central government" of the Catholic Church, the Holy See has a legal status that allows it to enter into treaties as the juridical equal of a state and to send and receive diplomatic representatives. The Holy See has formal diplomatic relations with 178 nations (among which it includes the Order of Malta), including the United States and some predominantly Muslim countries.

It's a country. Right under our noses. With extreme power and wealth.

Oh but it's fair to add, it's the System. The Establishment.
If a Pope tries to go against things, he can end up assassinated.
So many people believe he is not on the top. (Who is above the Caesar?)

Maybe it's more like a round table rather than a centralized dictatorship?
These are good debates and questions.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Awesome post had to star you! I think you should also do a thread on it.

Don't worry I'll wait right here on my sofa, while you do all the hard work.

Originally posted by PeoriaAZ
everyone who I believed was a major player, turns out they are just an extension of the Rothschilds

People believe that Rome is the centre of all this mess but i beg to differ.

It's the zionists (babylonian satanists) that are running the show who have hijacked the true essence of judaism for their own filthy agendas. The Rothschilds are ashkanazi jews who not only have unlimited wealth but funded both communism and nazism racking up more than a 100 million dead bodies. Recent DNA findings have shown that Hitler's ancestory DNA have same matching to the ashkanazi jews, exactly same as the rothschilds. Not surprising keeping in mind that Hitler signed off the Havaara agreement with zionists for the creation of new zionist state (israel) with 2% of Germans wealth.

The Federal Reserve, Bank Of England, IMF, multi-national corps etc. are all owned mostly by jewish banks linking straight back to israel.

The babylonian and khazarian kingdoms failed, so this time they made a full proof plan which has worked perfectly for them for the past 2-3 centuries because they have the power to financial choke nations to death.

One just has to read the zionist manifesto and the protocols of zion to realise how much of it has came true and whose ultimately pulling the strings, keeping all the 'fabricated' propaganda apart.

reply to post by forklift


Yes the Rome derives almost everything from Babylon and Egypt.

They are carrying on the same ancient occult practices.

I would argue that it's not about "Zionism" though, it's about global power and empire.

Compare the symbolism employed by the ancients vs the symbolism employed now.
Also, look closely at all the Ornamentation and Decorations around the Pope. Many of them derive from the ancient past as well.

For example compare the Pope's precession ritual to the Pharaoh's precession ritual.

Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Awesome post had to star you! I think you should also do a thread on it.

Don't worry I'll wait right here on my sofa, while you do all the hard work.

The work has mostly been accomplished.

Please read this thread on ATS for more information and debate.
All Roads Lead to Rome

reply to post by forklift


yes i agree, from the research i have done you've hit the nail on the head. The insane thing is that it is mostly very well documented. It all started with papa rothschilds sending his 5 sons out to spread the empire. The article, History Of The House Of Rothschild (not sure how 2 add the link but you can read it off google) is a timeline from the beginning of the family empire and i realised that every war, genocide, recession, depression and so on has been carefully calculated and planned by them. And yes it zionists for sure. It bought up some very interesting questions in my mind about hitler though, being the illigitimate grandchild of a rothschild is a real spanner in the works for me. Do you think he knew? Is that why he hated the jewish side of his heritage, did he know what evil they had in store for the world or was he actually working with them? Is that how he got hooked up with cash from mr prescott bush to fund the war. So many interesting new questions. Any thoughts? oh and yes i think that they are the most powerful although alot of them are very elusive and very few use the family name, they are all encourged to inter marry with the other 12 families anyway. Top family of that mafia syndicate.

Originally posted by antinwochick
reply to post by forklift

 

Do you think he knew?

Ofcourse he knew, you don't sign off agreements for the creation of a new nation and use 2% of your own nations wealth if you have shear hatred for a particular group of people. Just the way you don't change profiles of 1500 Nazi scientists and take them to US to work for NASA and various millitary complexes even though they were responsible for genociding '6mil' jews. Wall Street and the Rothschilds funded the Nazi machine and they knew very well what they were doing.Now you're probably thinking why would jews kill jews? Like i said before, zionists are not jews, they are babylonian satanists who are using judaism to cover up their dirty tracks. Judaism opposes zionism and vice versa.The Jews have two holy books, one is the Talmud and the other is Torah. The real jews only follow the Torah and the elitist zionists follow the talmud written by 60 rabbis in babylon who openly challenged God. That's why i call them babylonian satanists who plan to revive their kingdom and the solmon temple.

So many genocides have taken place in our history yet we only get forced to learn about the holocaust.What drives me crazy is that the sheep have been brainwashed in thinking the Jew is a downtrodden victim. The reality is that these babylonian satanists have caused unimaginable evil in the world. And every other ethnic group has suffered greatly.People are so ignorant about history that it makes me sick. If we don't understand history we cannot know why things are the way they are. And how things are likely to turn out in the future based on the medium term and long term trends.

To the billions of people around the world who know only the standard Establishment version of 20th Century history, the above quotation is incomprehensible, its implications impossible to fathom. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were the sworn enemies of all Jews, they will say, and to suggest there could be any collusion between Zionists and Hitler's Third Reich is both beyond belief and a slap at the memory of those who died at the hands of Nazi persecutors.

Incomprehensible, perhaps, but by no means impossible. The Zionist Nazi collaboration, however suppressed it has been to the general public, is a little known, but crucial, part of European history, one that continues to profoundly shape and affect world events in the 21st Century.

Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a NAZI -- a National Socialist Party member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a 'metaphysical absurdity.'

Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.. from Mark Weber, "Zionism and the Third Reich."

This mind boggling voyage is but one of many facts which have been compiled and collated, and which is presented in this video by Jim Condit Jr. titled The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler.

This thorough analysis examines Hitler's career and influence, from his humble beginning in Austria to his appointment as German Chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg, from his ascent to absolute dictator of the Third Reich to his role in bringing about the modern state of Israel and the emerging world government.

Along the way it blazes new paths in historical revisionism into unexplored areas of research where Establishment historians and even most revisionists fear to tread. The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler will prove a welcome eye opener for many, including anti Zionist Jews. Yet it is also sure to infuriate some of today's self perceived polar opposites, neo Nazis and Jewish Supremacists, because it shatters their respective cherished, but now demolished myths on such subjects as Hitler, the Third Reich, World War II and the Holocaust.

Among the many important bits of hidden history revealed in this two hour and twenty minute documentary:

§ During World War II as many as 150,000 Jews or "partial Jews" (Mischlinge), served in the German armed forces, including decorated veterans and high ranking officers, even generals and admirals. Among them were Field Marshal Erhard Milch and Helmut Wilberg, one of the fathers of the blitzkrieg method of warfare that helped Hitler conquer most of Europe.

§ IBM lands in Germany in March, 1933, the very month Hitler comes to power. IBM uses its punch card system and begins to identify and catalog the everyday Jews in Germany for eventual roundup. Even though IBM is headquartered in New York City and IBM President Thomas Watson receives many public awards from the Hitler government -- the New York Times hardly notices, and never objects.

§ Books which document that Hitler was helped to power by prominent Jewish owned companies and many Wall Street firms.

§ The little known Rakovsky interrogation is highlighted. Hitler and his archival for European hegemony, Communist dictator Joseph Stalin, contended with, and were manipulated by, the same secret forces in international banking circles.

§ Jewish police help round up everyday Jews, and hand them over to the Nazis so they can be confined in concentration camps. This video identifies the book which exposes this aspect of pre World War II Germany, and explains the reason why.

§ Incredibly, despite the Nazi ideology, which publicly held the Germanic people as the superior race and the Jews as the enemy of all things German, there is formidable evidence indicating that Hitler and other high ranking Nazi leaders themselves had some Jewish ancestry.

§Who was William Patrick Hitler, and why did the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, pay him off to quit talking about the family background?

§ Adolf Eichmann spoke Yiddish and visited the Zionists in Palestine many times. Eichmann, with Hitler's approval, set up training camps in German occupied territory where the Irgun, or Israeli storm troopers, were trained in anticipation of the takeover of Palestine, which happened in 1948, three years after World War II. This video explains why Eichmann was kept in a sound proof cage during his 1961 trial in Israel for his "Holocaust" crimes?

§ Hitler's close associate, Rudoph Hess, flew to England for some reason in 1942. This DVD explains why. As Hess landed, he was arrested by Churchill's faction. After World War II, Hess was kept in Spandau Prison, capacity 300 men, as its only prisoner from 1945 to 1989. During this 44 year period, soldiers from four countries, Russia, USA, England, and France marched around Spandau Prison, each nation on duty one week of each month. During those 44 years, Hess was never allowed to visit with even his immediate family members unless a government witness was present.

§ Some leading Zionists in Europe and America, such as Rabbi Stephen Wise, had the opportunity to negotiate the release of many Jews from the Nazi concentration camps near the end of World War II, but refused to do so. See the 1961 book Perfidy by Ben Hecht for an eloquent introduction to this mind-boggling aspect of World War II. Hecht was a Jewish Hollywood Producer.

§ Commentary on excerpts from the little known pamphlet which appeared in 1940: Hitler's Policy is a Jewish Policy.

§ The "unexplainable" chapter in Hitler's life -- when he worked for the Communists during their brief occupation of Munich in 1919 -- explained.

§ What Hitler's own lawyer testified about Hitler's ancestry in his "death bed" pamphlet at Nuremburg entitled, In the Face of the Gallows.

§ And much, much more -- 140 minutes in all.

Google Video Link

Just to recap here are the protocols:

• Place our agents and helpers everywhere
• Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
• Start fights between different races, classes and religions
• Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
• Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
• Appeal to successful people’s egos
• Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
• Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
• Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
• Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
• Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
• Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
• Rewrite history to our benefit
• Create entertaining distractions
• Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
• Encourage people to spy on one another
• Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
• Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
• Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
• Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
• Replace sound investment with speculation
• Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
• Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

I will leave it to you to decide whether the above is a fabricated HOAX or has it all come true?

The theory and ideas of Communism were developed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in the 19th century. The first government established on those principals was that of Russia under Vladimir Lenin in October of 1917. They were all zionist jews.

''The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money, and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary.. The Zionist leaders who now sit in government prevented it!" Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Ehrenreich 1954

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races...and by the establishment of a world republic in which everywhere the Jews will exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order the Children of Israel...will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition..." (Karl Marx in a letter to Baruch Levy, quoted in Review de Paris, June 1, 1928, p. 574)

Originally posted by muzzleflash
No the Pope controls all of them. Keep researching you will find this out.

We are still in the Roman Empire, it's global now, just think about it for a minute. So much Latin writing everywhere, on all of our government seals and insignia, all of our government buildings are built in the Roman styles. We still use Roman numerals for various things. We have inherited vast quantities from them.

The Pope is essentially the Caesar(Emperor of the Empire), his base where? The Vatican in ROME.

It's not a religion (Catholicism), it's a form of governance.

If you dig deep enough, you will find out that almost all major secret societies today (and there are 100s of them) derive from Papal Influence. He has gained control or gone into alliance with all of the worlds religions. He has special member status at the UN, and can walk in and talk anytime he wants.

The Government is actually called "The Holy See" please look it up. Look all of this up. Like in Encyclopedias, History books, check Govt websites for info, read the news, its everywhere everyday.
"All roads lead to Rome".

Also, there is a controversy about if the Pope or the Black Pope is more powerful. The Pope created the Black Pope (Leader of the Jesuits) back when the Protestant Reformation occurred to seek out heretics and either kill them or bring them back into the flock. 476 years ago. (They control the Protestants largely at this point, or are fully allied).

Even Castro was in cahoots with the Jesuits. This goes so freaking deep I can't barely even get into it. You seriously gotta LOOK IT UP. Once the pieces fall together you will be asking yourself this "Who is higher than the Pope"? And we haven't figured that out yet.

Did you know almost every world leader kisses the ring of the Pope?

Look up everything I said.
If I got it wrong, show me.
But please be open to the actual evidence surrounding you and take into consideration my argument.
Spend a day or two just reading about this stuff.

edit on 24-2-2011 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

What about the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc? Are they really his goonies? What about the global elite? When they take control with their NWO are they seriously going to put this guy in power?

reply to post by forklift


forklift, cheers for the history lesson. There was a couple of pieces of info there that i didnt know. From what i know your dead right, its hard to ask for opinions here straight out especially when it comes to the holicaust and zionists involvement as it so often gets mistaken for anti-semitism, it should have been, do YOU think he knew? And it seems we read from the same history . Hey im pretty new to posting here, is there a way of being able to subscribe to members posts. Think i could learn alot from you

reply to post by antinwochick


I am just showing you things from my perspective, i don't believe i know everything as i am learning myself. You just have to continue with your own independent research and also let me know if you find anything interesting. I don't think you can subscribe to my postings each time i add something new on this forum but you can always click on my username which will lead you to my latest posts and threads. Also you can use Private Messaging feature (PM) on this forum.

Some members mentioned all of this relating to Rome, so you might want to checkout their viewpoint:

All roads lead to Rome

and would you believe that the Rothschilds are really
Extraterrestrial Beings who have a binding contract
with the Catholic Church ???

So all Roads DON'T lead to Rome !!!
They lead to outer space !!!

I fully believe the Ashkenazi Jews, from which the Rothschilds etc originate have an undue amount of power and influence and have been seeking to manipulate world events to suit their own purposes and agenda and have been doing so for quite some time now.

Have they recruited other non-Ashkenazi's to assist them?
Probably.

Are they just the latest manifestation of an 'organisation' or 'cabal' who have been active for centuries?
Possibly.

Is there a 'force' or 'power' which is superior even to the Ashkenazi who either control or manipulate them?
Possibly.

I used to be quite dismissive of the 'All Roads Lead To Rome' theory that Protoplasmic Traveler has so excellently put together, www.abovetopsecret.com...
But after quite lengthy and careful consideration of the facts he has presented, when considered alongside other supportive evidence, then I think it is only right to view the theory as being distinctly possible.
I'm not 100% convinced and one or two things maybe wide of the mark and the full extent of their control and details of the history may not be known yet, but I must say it's one of the most convincing explanations I have heard or read.

Of this I am certain of now; not all is as it seems with The Vatican, The Papacy and The Ashkenazi.

awesome input gentlemen thank you, another interesting tid bit, anyone know this David Ike fellow, he has an interesting website, anyways I read a peice by him, well I believe it was by him, but it's claiming that Hitler was a relative of the Rothschilds, that's interesting

To muzzleflash,

Well how about providing us a link or something? You keep saying to research more, well point us in the right direction.

Sabier