NASA answers about 2012 and Nibiru

reply to post by 46ACE


do u have proof of this demise? giant graveyards where many of the populace died off maybe? was it a black plague? i didnt know they went extinct!

reply to post by Xcalibur254


yeah right just like ancients didnt know how to build pyramids!

reply to post by metalholic


I don't know what you're trying to get at with this comment. The reason the pyramid is such a prevalent structure in the ancient world is due to the ease of its design. The shape itself easily allows ramps to be made to put blocks in position. As for the belief that ancient people knew of planets not visible to the eye, please provide me with proof to the contrary.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


welli googled it and found the answer the ancients outside of what sitichin said did know about pluto..not gonna spoon feed it to you. you have a web browser aswell!

reply to post by metalholic

welli googled it and found the answer the ancients outside of what sitichin said did know about pluto..not gonna spoon feed it to you. you have a web browser aswell!

The only reason to avoid pointing to links is because you know this is not true. The ancients did not know about Neptune or Uranus. The gas giants were not detected until well after the telescope had been invented.

No ancients knew about Pluto.

If you checked out ancient astronomy carefully you might even learn that the Mayans left behind no tables on Saturn, Jupiter, or Mercury. Curious isn't it?

reply to post by stereologist


i see no links provided for me! also i'm tired of doin everyones dirty work u claim i'm wrong with no links i claim i'm right with no links its a no scratch for me no scratch for u relationship!

reply to post by metalholic

i see no links provided for me! also i'm tired of doin everyones dirty work u claim i'm wrong with no links i claim i'm right with no links its a no scratch for me no scratch for u relationship!

You made the original claim. It is your burden of proof.

Pluto cannot be detected by the naked eye. Neptune cannot be detected by the naked eye. Uranus cannot be detected by the naked eye. None of these appear in astronomical tables before 1700.

Can you even name a culture for your claim of ancients detecting any of the celestial objects requiring optics to detect them?

reply to post by stereologist


but when someone tells me i'm wrong then it becomes there burden of proof to tell me i'm wrong other then typing opinions!

goes both ways!

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by metalholic

 

i see no links provided for me! also i'm tired of doin everyones dirty work u claim i'm wrong with no links i claim i'm right with no links its a no scratch for me no scratch for u relationship!

You made the original claim. It is your burden of proof.

Pluto cannot be detected by the naked eye. Neptune cannot be detected by the naked eye. Uranus cannot be detected by the naked eye. None of these appear in astronomical tables before 1700.

Can you even name a culture for your claim of ancients detecting any of the celestial objects requiring optics to detect them?

I'd suggest researching cultures and civilisations that had very good astrology and knowledge of the stars for the time to see what can be pulled from that to support one theory or the other and bring some facts to the discussion.

Not saying you're wrong though nor am I saying anybody else is wrong but it seems as if your post seems to suggest that until the telescope was invented, nobody knew anything beyond what we could see with our own eyes such as clouds etc.

(Also while I'm here I have to bring this question to you. I don't see you anywhere but the 2012 section of ATS as a major debunker of the subject. Why waste your time proving it wrong day after day after day with the same arguments to the same questions if you personally don't believe in 2012 or Nibiru and use scientific fact to back you up. It's like me trolling the religion section to debunk people's beliefs because I don't support their views or claims and using scientific and historical fact rather than do what I do and ignore the subject to put my knowledge, opinion and speculation in topics I am interested in)

Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by stereologist

 

Also while I'm here I have to bring this question to you. I don't see you anywhere but the 2012 section of ATS as a major debunker of the subject. Why waste your time proving it wrong day after day after day with the same arguments to the same questions if you personally don't believe in 2012 or Nibiru and use scientific fact to back you up. It's like me trolling the religion section to debunk people's beliefs because I don't support their views or claims and using scientific and historical fact rather than do what I do and ignore the subject to put my knowledge, opinion and speculation in topics I am interested in)

That's the most important question anyone could ask.

Do you think this forum is constantly hammered by the same few debunkers to increase your awareness and understanding? Do you think anyone would spend every waking moment posting one definitive claim after another, day after day, month after month, as a service to humanity? Has any anonymous poster or government agency, including NASA, earned that kind of trust? Is this the way the world works?

No matter what forum or topic, those with discernment and perception will recognize a situation where the answer is contained within the question...

reply to post by GoldenFleece


When people killed their pets at the word of Nancy Lieder because she claimed the world would end on a random date in 2003, imagine what could happen in 2012 with all the hype surrounding the date. We could potentially have numerous replays of the Heaven's Gate Cult because a few New Agers claim the world could end. At least for me, I see any person's opinion I can change through science and reason, a potential life saved.

reply to post by GoldenFleece

Do you think anyone would spend every waking moment posting one definitive claim after another, day after day, month after month, as a service to humanity?

No, so why do you do it?

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't being disrespectful of Stereologist, I was just wondering why he remains in this section because if I was constantly debunking in the religion section of ATS I'd eventually get bored and have to leave.

It's nice to have the skeptical point of view on everything but honestly, if people are gonna believe enough to kill themselves as the date gets closer then hey, that's their choice to do so no matter how wrong it would be.

I'd honestly like to see the Stereologist opinion on other topics and not just 2012, again, as a believers in things I want that differing opinion to keep me sane and balanced.

Originally posted by curious7
I'd honestly like to see the Stereologist opinion on other topics and not just 2012, again, as a believers in things I want that differing opinion to keep me sane and balanced.

That's my whole point. It'll never happen, so I consider both his and Xcalibur254's posts to be suspect despite their heartwarming assurances that it's really about saving pets and preventing another Heaven's Gate. Not to mention Xcalibur254's Darth Vader avatar, living near Langley, VA, following Stereologist around like a lost puppy and posting immediately after I do like some kind of stalker. Take a look and see how many times they've posted to just one thread. Then multiply that times hundreds of threads.

OTOH, I don't trust Nancy Lieder and some other Planet X/Nibiru proponents either.

I'm just saying, listen to everything and don't trust anyone but yourself.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


My avatar is of Steven Wilson, one of the greatest prog rock artists of all-time, on the cover of his Insurgentes album. As for living near DC/Langley a lot of people live here. I am a recent college graduate with a degree in Psychology and working at a grocery store until my girlfriend graduates. Besides, I don't see how my avatar or location affect the facts that I have presented in this and other threads.

reply to post by metalholic


No. It is only your burden. I am calling your bluff. Lay down your cards and show us what you've got.

Your protesting tells everyone that you cannot provide anything to support your case.

reply to post by curious7

Not saying you're wrong though nor am I saying anybody else is wrong but it seems as if your post seems to suggest that until the telescope was invented, nobody knew anything beyond what we could see with our own eyes such as clouds etc.

That's exactly correct. There are limitations to the observations that can be done with particular tools such as our eyes. We can see clouds and beyond. It is even possible to see a distant galaxy with the unaided eye. Some people claim to be able to see the Galilean moons. It is possible that the moons were noted a few times before the telescope was invented.