Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

"He thought about it"

Really? Because you know what he was thinking, Mr. God?

But keep spinning. It is quite fun watching you guys get your panties in a bunch about a simple phone call.

He said it himself...4:25 of the second video...check it out yourself.


Usually when someone makes a statement...I don't have to be Mr. God in order to figure out what he is thinking.

Unless of course you are saying that what people say don't matter...because you don't know what they are thinking....now that is some spin.


Tell me please...are you going to deny that he said that on the call??? Or are you going to apologize to me???

Make your choice...deny that he said it (even though it is right there at 4:25 of the second video)...or apologize to me for wrongly accusing me.

I have a simple question to confirm the validity of the thread title: where in the phone conversation does Scott Walker act like Koch owns him?

reply to post by filosophia


I don't know...it could be that he gives him a complete detail debriefing on his inside strategy. It could be his enthusiastic acceptance of the offer to get flown out to California for a good time once he gets this pushed though. It could be that he is kissing the guys arse through the whole phone coversation.


But you are probably right...nothing fishy going on

reply to post by MindSpin


I don't see him as really kissing his arse, he is more business-like than anything else. He says the trip to California would be great but it was really low key there was no mention of hookers or alcohol or inside deals. If this is his public views why shouldn't he say it over the phone?

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I don't see him as really kissing his arse, he is more business-like than anything else. He says the trip to California would be great but it was really low key there was no mention of hookers or alcohol or inside deals. If this is his public views why shouldn't he say it over the phone?

Ok, you are right....Koch must not be funding anything of his

How's the hole in the sand? Warm and cozy?

when asked about trouble makers, he says no, and believes the people have a right to protest, unlike the governors at the G20 summits. He answered diplomatically and ethically. I think 'hell' was the worst word he said in the whole conversation, even though the caller was egging him on by saying worse stuff.

Originally posted by MindSpin

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by MindSpin

 

I don't see him as really kissing his arse, he is more business-like than anything else. He says the trip to California would be great but it was really low key there was no mention of hookers or alcohol or inside deals. If this is his public views why shouldn't he say it over the phone?

Ok, you are right....Koch must not be funding anything of his

How's the hole in the sand? Warm and cozy?

How is questioning reality having my head in the sand? You're the one not opening up to other possibilities.

I think what this comes down to is how you view unions. If you think unions are good, then Governor Walker is bad. If you think Unions are corrupt, greedy, and unfit to give rights to workers, then you think Governor Walker is good. Of course it's usually a gray area, so it's hard to say, maybe the Unions have good people in it but their philosophy is skewed. Maybe the Governor is a good man but he makes deals on the side with wealthy backers. It's politics, and all you can really say is mostly everything is a deception. At the end of the day, it really falls on the people. These people have a right to protest and petition for their rights, it just makes me sad that they would fight for their collective bargaining rights but not their constitutional rights. They are basically trying to compromise with their boss. If you don't like your working conditions, then quit. It's simple in theory, hard to do, but worth the effort. I think that's the real issue, how you view this particular protest.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
I think they are/were the Jerky Boys. They've been straightforward in the past about their crank calls, normally they've gone after smaller political targets (staffers and the like), occasionally they go after some bigger ones like Clinton.

I don't think they are the jerky boys, Basically both guys don't like each other and Johnny B is doing a voice on family guy and he might be doing some other voice work on other shows too.

reply to post by sandman441


Your right, the Koch impersonator was "Ian Murphy", when the original story broke the Buffalo Beast Web site went down, so relied on another article which got the name wrong.

Mother Jones is also running more on this story; Did Gov. Scott Walker Break the Law During Prank Call?

Did Wisconsin Scott Walker break the law during his phone conversation with a prank caller posing as right-wing billionaire David Koch? At least one campaign finance watchdog, the Public Campaign Action Fund, is exploring whether Walker violated a ban against political coordination in Wisconsin.

Walker believed he was speaking to Koch who—along with his brother, Charles Koch—is among the richest men in the US and major funders of dozens of right-wing groups. The political action committee of Koch Industries, the brothers' business empire, was a top donor to Walker's 2010 gubernatorial campaign. In reality, though, Walker was actually speaking with Ian Murphy, a self-described gonzo journalist and editor of the Buffalo Beast. The prank has stirred up a major national controversy, with critics crying foul over Walker's comments to the faux "David Koch."

In his conversation, Walker says that GOP lawmakers in "swing areas" will need support for their decision to back Walker's controversial budget repair bill, which would cut collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions, among other changes. Walker appears to hint that the fake David Koch could be the one to provide that outside support to those swing-district Republicans. Here's the full exchange: (see the link for the rest of this article)

...At least one campaign finance watchdog, the Public Campaign Action Fund, is exploring whether Walker violated a ban against political coordination in Wisconsin.

Especially as it implies the governor of Ohio is part of this Koch-fueled program.

Gov. Walker: "After this in some of the coming days and weeks ahead, particularly in some of these more swing areas, a lot of these guys are going to need, they don’t need initially ads for them, but they’re going to need a message out. Reinforcing why this was a good thing to do for the economy, a good thing to do for the state. So to the extent that message is out over and over again is certainly a good thing."

Ian Murphy (pretending to be David Koch): "Right, right. We’ll back you any way we can."

Walker goes right to the source for financial backing for his/Koch plan to rule the working class. He has no qualm about asking for capital backing for ads.

Political collusion at it's worst, I hope they do investigate this for a violation of the ban against political coordination in Wisconsin.

Motherjones.com

Originally posted by filosophia
I think what this comes down to is how you view unions. If you think unions are good, then Governor Walker is bad. If you think Unions are corrupt, greedy, and unfit to give rights to workers, then you think Governor Walker is good. Of course it's usually a gray area, so it's hard to say, maybe the Unions have good people in it but their philosophy is skewed. Maybe the Governor is a good man but he makes deals on the side with wealthy backers. It's politics, and all you can really say is mostly everything is a deception. At the end of the day, it really falls on the people. These people have a right to protest and petition for their rights, it just makes me sad that they would fight for their collective bargaining rights but not their constitutional rights. They are basically trying to compromise with their boss. If you don't like your working conditions, then quit. It's simple in theory, hard to do, but worth the effort. I think that's the real issue, how you view this particular protest.

Well, based on your pages of attempts at deflection and re-direction, wile making spurious claim after spurious claim, it is clear you think that working people are the enemy. :-) I mean, how DARE those unions be willing to compromise with the Governor on EVERY ISSUE? He had NO CHOICE but to try and permanently destroy the Unions bargaining power because we all know 40 hour work weeks and middle-class incomes are socialistic terrorism!

Originally posted by Realtruth
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

I wish people could actually just govern themselves, this way we wouldn't need politicians period.

Our founding fathers went well out of their way to make sure that didn't happen.

Something about 'unwashed masses...'

It's amazing that tax cuts for millionaires while subverting unions is passed off as 'populist' in bizarro NeoCon world.

Another point, Walker says he will try to “fire” the state senators who left the state, especially if they get any monetary support now from unions. Yet he's on the receiving end of monetary aid from Koch, even open to taking him up on a cali sojourn, and requesting media ads from Koch to support himself and other governors in IN and OH with their union-busting schemes. Since when did Governors get the authority to fire duly elected officials?

reply to post by filosophia


Amazing statement . . . if the world offered jobs that easily then your idea of ” if you don’t like your working conditions, quit” might make some sense. But the real world where jobs are scarce doesn’t allow for people to cavalierly “quit” when they have mouths to feed.

You must be too young to understand how the owner class use to literally work people to death before unions came into existence; pay people scant wages; no vacations; no sick time; no days off; child labor; and many more horrid working conditions that unionism abolished over time, and you dare talk about unions the way you do seems to indicate your lack of knowledge,

Sure they aren’t perfect, because the people in unions are human, but the principle is one of fairness that deals with the real world, where the owner capatilst class has to have a balance to deal with their inherent power.

reply to post by inkyminds


I don't think the working people are the enemy, I just think they are easily led, sometimes by politicians, other times by unions. It all comes down to if you think unions are good or bad.

reply to post by inforeal


Not everyone thinks the unions are God's gift to the working class. History shows that unions often have corrupt criminal elements working for them. Bottom line is if you think a job is corrupt you quit. Welfare and unemployment will get you by. And in the "old days" it was immigrants choice to work in meat packing factories, just as it is immigrants choice to work in meat packing plants today, where conditions are still horrid. I would not personally trust a collectivism to make that any better. So go fall in love with your unions if it suits you but don't expect the same from everyone else.

Originally posted by filosophia
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I don't think the working people are the enemy, I just think they are easily led, sometimes by politicians, other times by unions. It all comes down to if you think unions are good or bad.

No, actually it doesn't. This thread isn't about unions wanting to hold on to their 'collective bargaining', even after conceding on every single issue the Governor had, or whether they are 'good or bad'.

It's about a prank phone call showing the kind of special treatment a very wealthy man gets from Governor walker.

And let's not forget that so far you first claimed it was fake, then illegal, and then started bashing Unions, all in an attempt to deflect from information you clearly find damning.

Why do you find it so damning that Governor Walker appears to be a paid employee of the Koch brothers?

reply to post by inkyminds


You forgot that I also disproved the thread title saying Koch owns the Governor when I stated that the Governor refuses to go along with Koch's suggestion. You forgot to mention that one.

Originally posted by MindSpin
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

"He thought about it"

Really? Because you know what he was thinking, Mr. God?

But keep spinning. It is quite fun watching you guys get your panties in a bunch about a simple phone call.

He said it himself...4:25 of the second video...check it out yourself.

He paused.

Perhaps he was processing the question.

Perhaps he was thinking of a polite way to say no, it is a dumb idea.

Perhaps he was daydreaming of his wife. Who knows?

Usually when someone makes a statement...I don't have to be Mr. God in order to figure out what he is thinking.

Yeah you do. But keep living in your mind reading dream world.

Unless of course you are saying that what people say don't matter...because you don't know what they are thinking....now that is some spin.

Of course what people say matters.

BUT

You are going off of what this person DID NOT say. Apples and oranges.

Tell me please...are you going to deny that he said that on the call??? Or are you going to apologize to me???

Said what?

You said he THOUGHT about it.

Make your choice...deny that he said it (even though it is right there at 4:25 of the second video)...or apologize to me for wrongly accusing me.

edit on 23-2-2011 by MindSpin because: (no reason given)

Mind Spin indeed.