China begins war games, eyes Taiwan by 2020

Originally posted by ludahai
However, Taiwan is independent. China has no claim. Please identify the legally binding treaty by which Taiwan was given to China after the Qing Dynasty ceded it in perpetuity!

Yes. I am waiting for the day that Taiwan declares Independence, before that Taiwan is a renegade province of China. If Japs dare to muddle again, they will get what they deserve long time ago.

Originally posted by fawlty
Dont you guys have anything better to do?...

It is US meddling the internal affairs of China like Tibet, XinJiang, Taiwan.

Actually zcheng you should show a little more gratitude cuz it was the US who saved china from the Japanese and china did nothing to defeat Japan it was the US who defeated them so stop talking tough buddy. Also Japan had sophisticated planes and a good navy while the most technologically advanced machine the Chinese had was the wheelbarrow and the wagon

And the US is not meddling anywhere but it has said it would help a small country like twain against bully communists I see nothing wrong with that.



[edit on 23-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

If it was a war on US soil then yes, the US, would win. As for going to war in Chinese territory the US stands no chance of victory. Westpoint, all your posts do seem very like you are showing off how much hardware the US has and how the US can kick some ass.
I am not trying to insult you, but that attitude really is what causes the problems around the world.

As for Taiwan, I had the pleasure of meeting too ladies at a univercity who had just recentley come over to study. What they said was that Taiwan and China are completely different in culture and do consider themselves independant. They said the similarities between China and China are minute.

However, I do see a chance that this war will happen.

American foreign policy is bases on 12 (i think the number is right) aircraft carriers. The chinese have a funky cruismissile called the sun-burn missile, especially designed to take on ships. It has some cool random evasive moves as it homes in on the target. And you can strap whatever war-head you want to the front of it. Well one nuke on the fron of on sun-burn missile = one aircraft carrier at a hugely disproportionate cost, one cruise missile being WAY cheaper than an aircraft carrier.
Also there is a thet rumour of the new diesel subs. And lets not for get 1 in 3 of us is Chinese.

What are you talking about 1 in 3 of us are Chinese.
And have you heard that there will be over 14 destroyers and about 14 cruisers 7 carriers and 550 aircraft also 21 SSN and maybe a couple of boomer subs if china uses nuclear weapons then they will have 1000 ICBM's raining down on their country for uncle Sam and nuclear missiles form our subs. Also that is why each carrier has destroyers and cruisers to take care of anti ship missiles. And the Carrier F-14 can shoot down cruise missiles from 100+ miles away as low as 50 feet.

Have a nice day

Originally posted by Corinthas
The chinese have a funky cruismissile called the sun-burn missile, especially designed to take on ships.

I am afraid the Sunburn missiles are old now, new and more capable missiles are now serving in PLA. No war between US and China.

Blah, they are all just talking big. I highly doubt anything will come of it. This will be settled through discussion.

Would China sacrifice their jump from 'poor crusty old busted' to 'new hotness money machine'? I doubt it. As an export country, watch how fast they drop from the top 10 economies in the world, to the bottom 10 (take a look at Africa if you want to see how much it would suck to be in the bottom 10).

Maybe if the U.S. didn't invest so heavily into China and didn't import so much of their crap, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But you know us, we gotsa have our big screens and Nike's built by some 6 year old who got paid 5 cents for 3 hours labour. Then probably got his a55 kicked and had his 5 cents taken back.

[edit on 23-7-2004 by chene]

Originally posted by chene
Would China sacrifice their jump from 'poor crusty old busted' to 'new hotness money machine'? I doubt it.

When it comes to Taiwan Independence, all bets are off. Chinese people values every inch of Chinese land, and will defend its integrity. You can doubt it, but it is the fact.

Originally posted by zcheng
When it comes to Taiwan Independence, all bets are off. Chinese people values every inch of Chinese land, and will defend its integrity. You can doubt it, but it is the fact.

So much for the man of peace. "I want peace, but on MY terms" Kind of reminds me of Hitler in the 30's

Once again, I challange you to a formal debate on Taiwanese Independance in the Debate Forum. Do you accept the challange?