A quality image. Screw you David Cameron.

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Godforbid

Having just read an earlier post of yours to another member 'Monkofmirimir ?' you spoke about your own situation of 65 hours per week, £700 / month and then discussed an example of a friend whom doen't want to work and recieves free housing benefits etc etc.......

My point is this................ Why do you start a thread CLEARLY designed to cause disgust and hatred for the Current Coalition Government but with a particular focus on David Cameron as being a liar when alot of the system you complain about is the PRODUCT of the previous Government........

As someone else has said...... Change does NOT happen overnight...... do you really think along with all the other Ameoba's on here attacking the current Government that when a new Government takes over then everthing changes Immeadiately !!?? Of course it doesn't............. You have to stay the course and become UNPOPULAR to change the LAZY and STUCK in their WAYS MASSES whom expect everything on a plate all the time........

On a personal level, you obviously can write, have good grammar and command of the language..... If you are working all thos ehours for that money (works out at £2.69 / hr - less than the minimum wage ??) then I seriously suggest you move or do something because you are obviously wasted talent........... or my cycnical radar tells me you could just be a political agitator ???

Regards

PDUK

And this is the reason I don't vote!!

If everyone did the same we would topple the morons!!!

Originally posted by Misoir
I think comparing students fighting for government subsidized schooling paid for by the government, i.e. taxpayers, is quite different from people fighting for freedom from a 30 years murderous and oppressive dictator.

yea, I think ur right.
u can't compare the 2.

The British Monarchy Dictatorship has lasted
a hell of a lot longer than 30 years.

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foreshadower99

People like you and the pointless and irrelevant comment you made on this thread just go to illustrate why this country IS fast losing it's Greatness.......... You should be ashamed of yourself but then again you probably haven't got the spare capacity in your miniscule brain to process these thoughts...

regards

PDUK

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bd-s

Your comment made me laugh......... an American with a sense of Irony..... very good.... rare breed...:-)

What happened to the Avatar though ??

Regards

PDUK

It's funny in a way, but this thread and the pic that spawned it parallel something on the CBC today.

UN must intervene in Libya: Martin

Funny, when there were atrocities taking place in other areas of Africa there were no calls for UN action by Martin. Where were these calls to action when he was still a member of the government and could have actually had some impact?

Lybia having large reserves of oil whereas some of the other areas only had millions of suffering people wouldn't have anything to do with this of course.

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Excellent.


note to mods: OK you don't like short responses but here is one that has, within it, thousands of words that people have been using ever since politics was invented.

It's always been that way.

And I don't want to hear anything about the scenarios being different. There's plenty of more valid examples of British protestors being condemned, attacked and dismissed.

Lets try the poll tax riots, or the anti-war riots of recent years. Where the government in both cases condemned and dismissed the majority opinion. And in both cases set their thugs on the people.

Yet when these things happen in lets say Iran, the government can't support the people enough. Nobody except the insane are argueing we have it bad, but there are many flaws, and protests against said flaws are equally valid. It doesn't matter how free we might be in context.

The fact of the matter is Britain is without Democracy, and therefore protests, violent and otherwise, are just. At the very best we have voter Democracy, which means nothing, as elected governments ignore us when in power. It's even more shambolic when you look closer at our voter Democracy, and see the pro-Establishment media are practically brainwashing people with propoganda and governments with massive financial resources from big business. So it's even debatable that we have a Democratic election process, with that in mind.

Infact there's a good documentary I've name dropped a few times on here called Golden Rule: The investment theory of politics. Which proves 9/10 the party or politician with the most financial backing, wins. And we all know who's giving these politician swine most their money

But hey, we're more free that Theocratic hell holes in the Middle East, so we should shut up and consider ourselves privileged.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
reply to post by GodForbid

 

I did not mean to offend you.
But there are alot of opportunities in the UK.
I was in college, they paid for it, gave me an allowance and a free bus ticket.
Some places here the ol bill have to catch the bus lol cos their cars are broken aint got the money to fix it.
There are roads that are undrivable. Were the most unenployed country in the whole of europe.
Yet, I see some people really bad and they dont complain.
Yes we have to voice and complain, yes, that's not what im saying.
But if you ask half the people in this country, to them, the UK is far off better with better opportunities for all.
I had a tooth extraction a few months ago, id like to see UK residents faces if they went to where dr butcher yanked my tooth out.....SAW V1111111

I am a mother of two who has a legal obligation to get my children to school every day, and I have to pay to get my kids to school by bus, and it is not cheap, especially in the current climate, I don't drive, and although I try to walk as often as we can, half an hour twice a day can be very tiring, especially for a 4 year old, .
I back the students all the way, not the violence obviously, but for what they stood for, after all its not just their tuition fees on the rise, but also their bus tickets, as not every area in the country gives students free travel, as I illustrated above.

As for the comparrison of the two images I think they are spot on, we are repressed after all, just repressed in a different way, and moreover it could be said that under the rouse of democracy we are in fact architects of our own reppression, which in some ways makes us every bit as powerless as the egyptians, as once we have voted, we are then at the mercy of whoever we have put in place to run our country in our interests, its just a shame that inevitably our interests aren't necessarily addressed.

reply to post by NadaCambia

"Lets try the poll tax riots, or the anti-war riots of recent years. Where the government in both cases condemned and dismissed the majority opinion. And in both cases set their thugs on the people.! quote.

You, my friend, are spot on the money. I was on a YTS here in Liverpool and was caught up in the Toxteth riots caused primarily by the poll tax and the police bully boy tactics. For four years after the riots the police declared Toxteth a no go zone as they got pretty badly beaten in what I hesitate to call a war zone. It went off big time!
My point is that governments are so arrogant that they only ever listen to the people when they rebel and threaten to over throw them. Usually, when the people see the government become humble they disperse and go back to their homes... At this point in time I think we can't afford to do that. If this does ignite, and I think it will, the violence and civil unrest has to contiue until this corrupt government falls...
I dont condone violence usually but drastic times call for drastic measures, and these, in my humble opinion, are the most drastic times I've seen in my life time...

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
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Godforbid

Having just read an earlier post of yours to another member 'Monkofmirimir ?' you spoke about your own situation of 65 hours per week, £700 / month and then discussed an example of a friend whom doen't want to work and recieves free housing benefits etc etc.......

My point is this................ Why do you start a thread CLEARLY designed to cause disgust and hatred for the Current Coalition Government but with a particular focus on David Cameron as being a liar when alot of the system you complain about is the PRODUCT of the previous Government........

On a personal level, you obviously can write, have good grammar and command of the language..... If you are working all thos ehours for that money (works out at £2.69 / hr - less than the minimum wage ??) then I seriously suggest you move or do something because you are obviously wasted talent........... or my cycnical radar tells me you could just be a political agitator ???

I work as a retained Firefighter and also part time at Domino's pizza. The retained Firefighter position does not pay well and takes up many hours. I worked very hard to get that position. You're right though, I am a wasted talent. There aren't any opportunities for me to excel the way I'd like to, it's just not there.

FYI I voted for conservatives because Labour were so bad. I agree with you, and like said you've missed the point. This one is almost as bad as the last. They all are. They're all the same.

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
As someone else has said...... Change does NOT happen overnight...... do you really think along with all the other Ameoba's on here attacking the current Government that when a new Government takes over then everthing changes Immeadiately !!?? Of course it doesn't............. You have to stay the course and become UNPOPULAR to change the LAZY and STUCK in their WAYS MASSES whom expect everything on a plate all the time........

Regards

PDUK

I realise this, but that wasn't the point of the thread. Double standards do happen overnight, and a few of the other posters on here have summed it up very well.

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Perfectly worded, thanks.

reply to post by solargeddon


There are millions of us in the UK in similar positions. Something has to change or I really fear for the future of our children. It's a sad time we live in and one I feel could be relatively easily resolved.

Less money spent on waste of time government, more money spent on training schemes for young people. Less immigration, more time spent training our young people to fill the jobs skilled workers are imported here to do. More money spent on young entrepreneurs less on aid for the euro zone. This is just a beginning.

I did not mean to offend you. But there are alot of opportunities in the UK. I was in college, they paid for it, gave me an allowance and a free bus ticket.

dont mean to sound racist but yeah lots of oportunities for the immigrants that come over.
its nice for you ho got the free education and bus pass over here.
it was free to you but who do you think ppaid for it because someone had to pay for it
while people like me have to pay for everything ourselves because we where actually born here.
there is no help for us at all.

Some places here the ol bill have to catch the bus lol cos their cars are broken aint got the money to fix it. There are roads that are undrivable. Were the most unenployed country in the whole of europe. Yet, I see some people really bad and they dont complain.

im sorry when i first read this i thought you WERE talking about the uk. alotof the roads here are in disrepair and there are many people who dont have cars because they cant afford them and public transport is either to expensive or none existant.

im not saying you are not suffering in your country but this country is not a 24 hour party at least you got a free education and bus pass out of this country id love the same treatment.

Originally posted by GodForbid
reply to post by NadaCambia

 

Perfectly worded, thanks.

reply to post by solargeddon

 

There are millions of us in the UK in similar positions. Something has to change or I really fear for the future of our children. It's a sad time we live in and one I feel could be relatively easily resolved.

Less money spent on waste of time government, more money spent on training schemes for young people. Less immigration, more time spent training our young people to fill the jobs skilled workers are imported here to do. More money spent on young entrepreneurs less on aid for the euro zone. This is just a beginning.

Yes this is true, unfortunately I don't want to sound pessamistic, but I fear the opposite shall continue to be our reality. In or local area I have been looking at the proposals for changes to admissions criteria for secondary schools , it is at the consultation stage at present, but it looks bleak, with no real change being made other than to make school preference an even bigger lottery, with no power to say what school your child attends, and with some of these schools offering different specialities, and most offering none, how do you ensure your child gains the education which is their right to have, in the way they need it to be, for example my son is on the more able pupil register at present, and if he remains there til year 6, and I make an application to the only secondary that lists gifted and talented as their speciallity, and he doesn't get a place due to all of the places being allocated by lottery, how are we ensuring he fulfills his potential, and what if it is the difference between the idea's you put forward above, and the status quo remaining ? Really does scare me I have to say, we definately need to see change.

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Im British, overseas
So why I got those thing's wernt because I was an immigrant lol
You can get those thing's also.
And yes, I do know where youre coming from, when I left the UK it was round about when all the immigrant's where flying in from countries like Romania, Kosovo etcc no offence to no one.

Now I am an immigrant in Spain

reply to post by kerrichin


What gave you the impression that im an immigrant in the UK?
Did'nt they say that assumptions are the mother of all....

reply to post by GodForbid


Lets see now. The people on one side are rioting and destroying innocent peoples property because they want more government handouts (Welfare). The ones on the other are demonstrating for Freedom from a Dictator.

The schools really are failing us miserably on both sides of the Pond I see.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I think you're missing some of the point. If you read through the thread many posters have brought up some excellent points about what the image is saying.

It's not the actual demonstration, but rather the way the voice is quashed rather than heard, there are many examples the g11 protests are one. Yet, when it suits, such as the Egypt protests he can take the 'good guy' card and back the protesters.

Originally posted by solargeddon
Yes this is true, unfortunately I don't want to sound pessamistic, but I fear the opposite shall continue to be our reality. In or local area I have been looking at the proposals for changes to admissions criteria for secondary schools , it is at the consultation stage at present, but it looks bleak, with no real change being made other than to make school preference an even bigger lottery, with no power to say what school your child attends, and with some of these schools offering different specialities, and most offering none, how do you ensure your child gains the education which is their right to have, in the way they need it to be, for example my son is on the more able pupil register at present, and if he remains there til year 6, and I make an application to the only secondary that lists gifted and talented as their speciallity, and he doesn't get a place due to all of the places being allocated by lottery, how are we ensuring he fulfills his potential, and what if it is the difference between the idea's you put forward above, and the status quo remaining ? Really does scare me I have to say, we definately need to see change.

It think you're right. It is part of the difference between those ideas and the status quo. The schooling system needs huge reform.

Not only on the way children are admitted but also the entire curricula. The subjects are so old fashioned and have literally not changed at all over the last 100 years. For example complex maths is almost entirely unused in normal life, and would be much better used as a specialist subject. Children need to be taught real life lessons, and led onto further training. Not just assessed on how well they learn useless skills and set out in the wild. They need to have their individual skills nurtured and progressed along their individual line and guided into further training and into a career. That's how to build futures for the kids in the modern world.

The entire system is flawed and that is why you're not alone when you say it scares you.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Lets see now. The people on one side are rioting and destroying innocent peoples property because they want more government handouts (Welfare). The ones on the other are demonstrating for Freedom from a Dictator.

The schools really are failing us miserably on both sides of the Pond I see.

edit on 2/23/2011 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)

They're not handouts. Welfare is paid for by the people of Britain, the tax payers. The government isn't drawing any money from their pockets.

And why are all these cuts in place? Because the government is waging war, against the will of the people. Because the government were in bed with the banks and stole our money to bail them out, against the will of the people.

The concept of tax is not difficult. It beggars belief that people cannot understand such a basic system.

I'll repeat, in block capitals. The welfare state is paid for by the PEOPLE OF BRITAIN, NOT THE GOVERNMENT. We're coming up short because THE GOVERNMENT STOLE FROM THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN.

This is an anti-democratic theft. The biggest robbery in history. Your education system clearly failed you