the french again

I've been trying really hard to stay away from being completely anti-french but news just breaking now on sky about their latest idea to get the UN to veto the UK and Us's rights of administration in Iraq once all this is over.

wtf are they playing at?!

I still believe that the French have alot to lose when we remove Saddam, why else would they try anything to stop it. Them saying that they would help in battle if chemical or bioilogical weapons were used is nothing but a big front in my opinion.

The French, as well as the Russians, have some outstanding debts with Saddam's regime. These debts would become null and void with the installation of a new regime. They'd really be better off just staying out of it, but hey, stupid is as stupid does...

Don't forget that the US/UK governments have also used the French as a scapegoat for the failure of democracy.

Fact is, diplomacy failed because Bush ran out of patience, not because the French said they'd veto any resolution with an automatic move to war. There were plenty of other ideas for the resolution that ended up being rejected by the US/UK before they reached the table. (The 6 waverers and their 45 day plan, the canadian plan, etc.) And these could well have been acceptable to the French, but they were never discussed publicly.

So overall, the French are being used as a scapegoat, and they're pretty pissed off about it.

...They still rule the world.

Arc, It's not only France who try to say to the USA "Stay cool, There are international laws and instances, let them do their jobs"

But USA is an arrogant country drived by an alcoholic.

America better solve problems in his own country before trying to solve the problem of IRAQ (And ir's only a coincidence if this country is a one of the first reserve of oil in the worls).

After being ignored and insulted they are being asked to help pay to clean up the mess.Why would they be upset?

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS

But USA is an arrogant country drived by an alcoholic.

And you wonder why you have so many ATS users on your back......sigh..

Where are really the racists Nans ? In the USA or in France ?

The French are doing exactly what anyone would do in their position. Would you kill a guy that owed you money? Or would you get what you're owed and then feed him to the sharks?

Lets face it, if USA, UK, Spain Oz etc were in the same boat as the French, they wouldn't want a war either.

[Edited on 21-3-2003 by Macros]

I really think the French have a lot more to hide about the Iraqi's than the world really even wants to know about (especially the pink shaded lefties). There's already some pretty damning documentation regarding the French using Middle Eastern countries as fronts selling nuclear related material to the Iraqi's, etc etc.

With continued US boycotts of French goods and services, and their own miserably failing experiment in Socialism, mandadory 30 hour or less work weeks, and serious braindrain, the French will get what they deserve. Six (6) Million Americans visit France each year as tourists (more than any other country including the US). Reality will dictate their fate. The EU won't be able to bail them out because all their Socialist Economies can't handle the large burden (poor Italy and England).

I personally like the way the French are traditionally "non-conformists". However, as we all learn when we turn 25 or so, you gotta go with the flow a little bit to get the things you want. It seems like the French haven't reach that certain stage of maturity where they know what they want.

But let me qualify something here. I do not consider ALL frogs as having this mind-set. It's mostly a Parisian thing. In other words, a very loud minority. People that drive France's economy are the achievers and other hard working family-oriented people of the country's interior like most other prosperous nations. Think of France like California or Massachusettes. People that go to work every day and put their time into their work and families don't have the energy to worry about the business of others and are rarely heard. They want to keep doing things like they're doing them.

But, as in the US, there is a very loud minority that drowns out the more moderate to conservative majority. The only way to shut them up is to take away their power. When people are fed up, they won't listen any more. The people of France are directly resposible for their leadership, and their leadership is making some grave mistakes, and some old mistakes are going to come home to roost. When they figure out the US is in charge of the world, they'll begin to regain some of their lost glory. I personally believe France to be one of the few countries who's people truly understand freedom and liberty.

It's sad to lose a friend because they're stupid.

If you cared to know, you would find out that your blessed country is the worst human rights abuser of all time. So get off the subject of this and that. Quit the blame game, find out the facts and quit saying you know the facts, cause you don't. If anyone did, they would not be here. So please people, try and learn some more productive ways of debating rather than this gossip crap. It's like General Hospital on ATS

[Edited on 21-3-2003 by Abraham Virtue]