Seattle-Area Restaurant Refuses To Serve TSA Agents

reply to post by Echtelion


Those "goons" are people too. They have the same rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that we all have.

Originally posted by SyphonX

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by SyphonX

 

I sense a lot of anger from your tone, you should smile and be happy to be alive...your just mad because you envy their authority or the fact they have a job...how about you apply for the TSA and try to affect change from the inside...instead of knocking the TSA agents (not mgmt, they are in a different category)...

I travel literally every week internationally and I rarely meet mean or overly arrogant TSA officers, most actually make jokes with me...travel to Brazil or Colombia and see how they treat you, you will be a lot happier with how are TSA conducts business...

Yes, I'm angry because thousands of people died trying to create a free society in the United States, and it only took a couple administrations exploiting the working-class, to effectively erode everything that was gained. It always seems to start with travel, and airports in general.

Anyone who stands around feeling everyone's genitals and violating people's civil rights, should quit their job immediately if they don't like being labeled an accomplice to rights violations. No one cares if you're just doing your job. Absolutely no sympathy from any sensible person will be given to you. If you openly chose to become a TSA agent, knowing what you got yourself into, then you ARE arrogant, and at the very least, ignorant.

I also used to travel quite a bit, and every TSA agent I ever dealt with was completely rude and arrogant. I've seen enough of them to generalize the entire bunch, and I feel I'm warranted in doing so. It's the government exploiting the uneducated working class once again. But every one of them still has that nagging thought in the back of their head suggesting they get another job, and if not, they're just borderline sociopaths thinking police state trends are a positive movement.

It's also uniquely facsist of you to recommend I "just smile" and "be happy", because clearly my criticisms of civil rights violations is what is the real problem in this society.

Fascism with a smile, otherwise you're suspect.

edit on 23-2-2011 by SyphonX because: (no reason given)

OH MY GOD, IT'S JUST AIRPORT SECURITY. Just smile, be happy, and DRIVE then. Should I suffer the indignity of having my ballbag felt to get on a plane to Las Vegas? YES, I absolutely do not care. It's part of the process of flying these days. It's not different then being frisked before a sporting event, or going into your local Capitol building. Like I said in a previous post, I was about probed by security getting into a Twins game, and so was everyone else. But nobody called Sean Hannity to whine about it. It frightens me that people are so F'n freaked out about Airport security. I'd rather be felt up (even as an airline employee) then risk having someone endanger my safety on an aircraft. Police state...really? The TSA is hardly the SS. Come on.

reply to post by drink2forget


KINDA off subject here. But. In addition to body-scanners. Don't the airports also have devices that detect biological/chemical/radiological materials? I mean if they're going to have body-scanners they should at least have those too.

Y'all have fallen into the sheeple wagon. I'm watching everyone just follow the person in front of them without regards as to where they are going. People are gonna have bad experiences with the TSA and people are gonna have good experiences with the TSA. It's like going to a restaurant and having the best time ever. Everything was perfect, the food, the waitstaff....even the bathroom was clean. Then you show up a week later expecting the same and instead your order is wrong, the waitstaff is preoccupied and you were sat next to a loud table. Which experience are you going to talk about? Probably both. Which one are people going to remember when they drive by that restaurant? Probably the bad story.
People are offended too easily anymore. Let them do their job and you do your job, which is to stand there and fully cooperate. You want safety? Shut up and do what you gotta do to get it. If you deem that you were treated unfairly, take it through the proper channels to get it settled, not the FOX news channel.
If only people would get this stirred up about things that TRULY MATTER, then we might be able to get somewhere. It's so easy to speak of revolutions behind the computer screen, but when it comes time to put your big boy pants on and do something about it....meh, maybe later...maybe after someone else does.

Aside from all that, I still stand behind what I say and plead with you people to do what ATS does...research before jumping on the bandwagon.
Is this a true story or disinformation?

Originally posted by Marked One
reply to post by drink2forget

 

KINDA off subject here. But. In addition to body-scanners. Don't the airports also have devices that detect biological/chemical/radiological materials? I mean if they're going to have body-scanners they should at least have those too.

Yes they do. They have "sniffers." It's kind of cool to watch. They blow air on you and it "sniffs," if you have any of the biological/chemical/radiological agents on you. They also can dab a test strip on your clothing or skin and run it through a machine. It then determines if there are biological/chemical/radiological on your person. It's pretty cool to watch. This has happened to me quite a few times now, even as an employee. This is in addition to going through the scanner or being searched. Total inconvenience time - 5.00 minutes. It does give you a sense of safety if they are taking this far, even for employees.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I think it's wrong to deny service to ANYONE in America for political, racial, ideological, gender-based, religious, etc. reasons. People are different. You can't just say, hey, "I suddenly disagree in the manner that policemen are doing their jobs!" and refuse them service.

That is stereotyping to the max. I would HATE to have a TSA security job. My goodness, you're trying to keep bombs off planes and get nothing but hated for it. What would happen if the government decided to drop TSA screening? How long before something catastrophic happens? And if/when it does, guess what? There would be outcry saying that the government wasn't keeping us safe. We can't have it both ways. Not all TSA agents are jerks. So, to refuse service to all TSA agents based on a few high profile, sensationally charged incidents (geard toward higher ratings than reality)... Is wrong. Sure, a cop might have treated you the wrong way and been a jerk, but it doesn't mean that all cops are jerks. The same goes for any profession or group or race or whatever.

I bet owners of that restaurant have never experienced DISCRIMINATION before, personally. Citizens of the community might consider picketing their business and calling them out. Yeah, sure, the TSA's got a bad rap as an organization... but it's made up of people, and we come in at least three varieties: the good, the bad and the ugly. We're not all the same. Obviously, the owners have a very limited view of the world.

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
Wait till the TSA unionizes they'll burn that place down.

Are you talking literally or figuratively? Either way I don't understand what your talking about, I doubt TSA is going to physically burn a place down that doesn't serve them, and they would have absolutely no other recourse, union or not, other than boycotting them, which accomplishes nothing but what the ban does in the first place (TSA people not eating there)

I think this is awesome, screw the TSA. I know they aren't all bad, but that's like saying I'm sure not all SS troops were bad.

After having seen time and time again what unions do to force their will, I'd have to say he probably meant literally. Saw it time after time in the Appalachian coalfields, at Allied Chemical in PA, and during the Teamsters strikes of the 70's in Ohio. Those are just what I've seen first-hand, and don't include physical improprieties of the SEIU. As a member of SEIU, all I really saw them do was collect dues and provide nothing for that.

Got no use at all for unions.

I think if TSA were more mobile, they could morph into a replica SS in a heart beat. I wouldn't let my sister marry one, so why should I feed them?

Who cares if a TSA agent can't eat somewhere..I'm sure there is plenty of places somebody can't eat if they are not dressed accordingly...Also if there was no TSA then the Feds would run the show and imagine the hassle of flying then!

Originally posted by freedish

But let's be logical, is picking on the little guy really the way to go? And is refusing to serve TSA agents in restaurants really going to solve the problem? Certainly not.

Without those "little guys"all too willingly doing their dirty work, the "big guys" would either have to do it themselves, or, as would be more likely, things would be different.

Just as a house divided can not stand, neither can a house without foundation.

reply to post by zorgon


Actually I'm not afraid of terrorism or irrated by most of the changes. I'm not complaining.

I don't mind the pat downs and I'm not conceited enough to believe someone gets their rocks off from looking at my scan or patting me down.

Originally posted by drink2forget

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by drink2forget

 

And the Maximum soldiers were just doing their jobs.

The excuse does not fly.

 

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Be sure to tell them that next time you try and board a flight
Let's deny someone the ability to eat lunch because you dont like the job they are doing.
Seriously?

edit on 07/23/2007 by drink2forget because: more ranting.

No one is "denying someone the ability to eat lunch". They are just saying that TSA isn't going to eat THERE. They are still welcome to bring their own rations, and eat at work!

reply to post by SyphonX


I am glad I dont have your hatred in my life...wheeew you know your shortening your life span...: )

Originally posted by drink2forget
Maybe you'll drive through Detroit and someone refuses you lunch because you are driving a Honda and NOT a GM? This is really petty stuff folks. Jesus...

Sounds reasonable, and they'd be within their rights to do so. I may test that notion out for you - if you can provide me a valid reason that I'd WANT to drive through Detroit...

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


My question is: why?

Did the particular agents, at this airport, behave badly in the restaraunt? As a group? If so, then sure, refuse them service.

Or, if this is about the general problem of not liking what the TSA is doing then I don't think this is the right way to make a political statement. Those TSA agents are just doing what they're told... refusing them service in order to get the government to change TSA policy.

Has anyone here been treated differntly just because of the job they have??? Do you know what it feels like?

I worked as a security officer, and was often on patrol with the police. I've run into my share of people who treated me like dirt just because of my uniform, just because I was enforcing rules they didn't want to follow. Hey, I didn't make up the rules. I needed a job. To have an establishment refuse my patronage just because of my uniform,my job, would strike me pretty hard. I mean, its discrimination, absolute.

reply to post by DropOfKim

I'm watching everyone just follow the person in front of them without regards as to where they are going. People are gonna have bad experiences with the TSA and people are gonna have good experiences with the TSA. It's like going to a restaurant and having the best time ever.

I'm not sure who's going around having a bunch of good experiences with exhibitionism and getting and getting their junk felt up by the government. It can only be an unpleasant experience for most people.

People are offended too easily anymore.

Sorry for being a fan of freedom.

Let them do their job and you do your job, which is to stand there and fully cooperate.

Let me quote part of your post back to you.

Y'all have fallen into the sheeple wagon. I'm watching everyone just follow the person in front of them without regards as to where they are going.

Sorry, I don't want a job, as I haven't been fooled by TV that I need safety.

You want safety?

No! I'll take freedom any day.

reply to post by drink2forget


I saw your post and decided this is where I would respond...

Wrong...

You have to remember a war crimes trial where the defendants where informed that, 'the I was just doing my job" got the last one to use that line hung... they spilled their guts and are only serving time....

Every business has the right to refuse to do business with anyone for any reason... you enter private property when you enter a resturaunt...yes even rental property is private....

The only exception is "IN THE COURSE OF DUTY" and it cant be said here that this applies...

Otherwise clubs across the US would be taken to court for it as well.. you have the right to refuse service...Business will NEVER let that be changed....

So like the TSA's line we are just doing our job means they can get the same response... We are just doing what our boss said.....

now git....

I would give the owner a medal if I could.... IMHO, whats good for the goose is good for the gander....




So in the interest of what ATS stands for on, I will deny my own ignorance here. It is from not first hand being on the worker side of the airport industry....

1)how is anything the feds doing not anything the airlines could not have done wihtout the TSA....

seems the industry(defense) merely created a single purchaser with forced buys, with dwindling tax dollars...


2)Is the TSA unionised...



I know bad poster on that one... ill behave

3) how is the airline industry helped by the TSA?

I see nothing that could not have been done on thier own, for cheaper to the flying public...


So unless the federal government decides to force all establishments to serve TSA agents their is nothing illegal they are doing....

did you follow the link to the blog... a lot of the agents of the TSA are already commiting crimes.....


Well sit please take the time to respond and if at all possible will you please flesh out your reasoning.

Thank you kent walls

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
You sound like a person who just complains, wants to make a stand, but don't know against who. You would be the first person in shock and crying how some tragedy happened if it's your family involved.

Firstly you're off in that thousands died to create a free society...this society wasn't created for everyone to be free. It was created so landowners and the wealthy could be free of England's rule. You're no closer to freedom than the English serfs, don't believe me...quite your job and see how things work out.

There you go, sounding like neo-con fascist. I guess that means we can't be friends and that I really don't care what you think about me. Also, what does my family have to do with this? If what tragedy occurred.. ? Why is a "tragedy" relevant to this current discussion.. Is it because you're trying to threaten me? Gee whiz.

Gotta go, I'm too busy complaining about everything.

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by SyphonX

 

I am glad I dont have your hatred in my life...wheeew you know your shortening your life span...: )

Now I have a Marine sniper, accusing me of being filled with "hatred". This is great. So very backwards it's nearly comical. Yes yes, I wake up in the morning and beat the dog, drink hard liquor and go scream at people on the sidewalk. I really should turn my life around.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


It is perfectly legal to refuse service to anyone, this is not racist, they are only exercising they're rights. I have worked in the food industry before and have seen services refused for many different reasons. They are well within their rights!

This is legal behavior and is not discrimination, at least not in the purest sense of the word. A business cannot refuse service if a person is part of a specific "protected" group like a minority, their religion, ancestry, gender, etc. They can however state that under certain conditions, some individuals may not shop/eat there. The "no shirt, no shoes" rule is a perfect example of that. Some make you wear a tie so is that clothing discrimination?

According to reports, the TSA agents come to this place frequently since they are near or adjacent to Sea-Tac airport. The owner and staff know who they are whether they are in uniform or not. This owner is making a statement that what the TSA does, in his opinion, is unjustified and is striking back in the most direct way he knows: refusing service to them. In some ways, it is costing him business but there are also enough people angry at the TSA that it may well boost his business with those that agree.

This is a form of protest. I applaud the owner for doing what he believes best. If a TSA agent doesn't like it, find another job or find another restaurant. Nobody owes them lunch and their business is not welcomed there. If more did things like this, it might cause some to reflect on exactly what they are doing and the impact it creates.