the god of the bible is an evil god

fundamentalist christians have been living a lie. they are lead to believe that there god is all loving and can do no wrong. well the sad truth is quite the opisite. in reality the god that fundamentalist christians worship is actually an evil god. why would i say such a blasphemous thing? because when you use the minds that god gave you and actually think with them you too will realise why the bible god is evil.

first off if god is so loving why would he create a fiery pit of torment and despair for all the so called sinners to rot in for all eternity. wheres the love in sending your children to an eternity of torment because they may have made a few mistakes with thier lives or where raised to believe in something else. now fundamentalists say that it is satan that makes people to sin and has created every other major religion. well when i take a good look at society it seems the vast majority of gods children are under the influence of satan. my next question is why would god allow satan to lead his children astray. i mean satan suposidly tried to overthrow god and yet he is able to run about and corrupt his children. yet if you are one of the so called sinners you'll imediately go to hell when you die. it seems to me that god is probally in allegiance to the prince of darkness. then again maybe satan is some sort of freedom fighter trying to save us from the tyrany of god and for that i applaud him. yeah i said it.

next there is the whole concept of sin. from what i gather, sin is basically an act that pisses god off. but it seems to me that most everything pisses god off like sex, homosexuality, drugs, dancing, rock music, and other things of that nature. it seems the only thing he is ok with is the submission of his children to the very restrictive christian life. it seems to me that god is very irritable and closed minded to his own very creation. then you have all the horrible things he did in the old testament to punish so the so called sinners by causing plauges, wars, and mass genocide. he dosn't even care if your just a young inocent child that dosn't even know what he or she is really doing. if you have any connection to sinners, you will die a horrible death and goto hell because god said so.

now wait, in the bible it says he so "loved" the world that he sent his only son to die for the forgiveness of our sins. sadly this is far from the truth. why exactly does he have to send his only son to die one of the most horrible deaths imaginable just so we can be forgiven. if god is all powerfull why dosn't he just forgive us himself. so jesus died and now were all forgiven or so it seems. the only way to be forgiven for your sins is to accept jesus as your savior and reject sin for the rest of your life. if we are forgiven through jesus, why the hell do we have to live a sinless life from now on. and what about those that never heard of jesus or were raised in another religion (suposidly created by satan). well if there was no way to find out about jesus or you were raised to believe in something else, too fricking bad for you. and what about children that die unbaptised or died too young to know anything about children. well your god will send them to hell regardless cause i guess he just loves us like that. and what do you get anyways for living a sinless life and accepting jesus. an eternity of praying to your god in submission. how is that any better than hell aside from burning in a lake of fire?

so why worship such an evil god? if you only serve this god out of fear of what he might do to you, then you my friend are nothing but a coward. sorry. thankfully you have nothing to worry about my christian brothers. well first off lets take a look at the bible. its riddled with contradictions within itself and also contradictions with science and history. also there are plenty of people that have had near death experiences and have encountered god for themselves. what they found was not an evil god at all but a infinitely loving god. and its not straight christians that have encountered this loving god either. people from all sorts of religious backrounds and different sexual orientations have enountered a loving god as well as those who have lead a suposidly "sinfull life".



edit: i have gotten alot of different responses to this post and i have added in a few of my own personal thoughts in this post here. i stongly advise you read this first before you deem me some sort of heretic. cause the truth is the exact oppisite.

[edit on 17-7-2004 by mutehalo]

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[edit on 26-7-2004 by IXRAZORXI321]

Umm...maybe you should take a look at some different views of Christianity. Not everyone subscribes to the fundamentalist ideas. So please, refrain from overgeneralization and posting titles like "The god of the bible is an evil god"

stupid n00bs

Keep it on topic and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say nothing at all.

Echo, I hope you understand why I have issued you a WARN. If not please let me know. I will be more than willing to explain.

Originally posted by Echo
stupid n00bs

Was uncalled for, please refrain from lowering to such standards.

[edit on 16-7-2004 by ADVISOR]

I see where you're coming from. But like Echo said you shouldn't make such a big generalization. I follow God and Jesus' teachings of love, compassion, etc. I don't take the Bible as a word for word literal representation of God, unlike like many people (though many people share my view).

As for hell, I don't really believe it's a firey pit of torment. I believe it's just a place without God, which is in itself torment for people after death to be separated from God. They're not tortured physically, but they don't recieve the salvation and love that people who reach heaven do.

As for sins, I think they're pretty much just a guideline on how to live. Fundamentalists take them the wrong way, they strictly follow all the stuff in the OT that isn't even supposed to apply to us anymore. They were laws for an ancient people. I think the only sins we really have to be worried about are the big moral issues like murder, rape, etc. Eating shellfish, working on the sabbath, etc don't constitute getting stoned to death, ya know? It's foolish to be so fundamentalist about it.

I really can't answer the question about Jesus... I think it was God showing us how much he loves US, and also Jesus showing us how much he loves US because he died for us. I don't think it was an evil act, I think it was showing how much he cares about our lives, so much that he would die for us.

It's interesting to see this material on the web, because many folks who were told to "read the WHOLE Bible" (I was... I did, too. Several times. The whole thing) caught all that stuff and eventually deconverted.

Though the skepticsannotatedbible.com site mentions most of the ones I noticed, this one has some that I hadn't noticed before.

For the record, the Gnostics (who were wiped out) believed that the creator of the universe was Sophia (wisdom) and that the creator of this world was a fallen angel who taught lies and deceit.

dont get me wrong here now. i know alot of good has come from the bible but at the same time we got these bible freaks that go around spouting "if its in the bible, then it must be true", and use that as an excuse to for the most part be an a$$.

The problem with the "bible",is that is doesn't do nearly the job it is supposed to (the teachings of Yeshua/Jesus). There is SO MUCH removed from the original chronicles, that nearly no body today even knows of the Book of Enoch, let alone the other books removed(apocrypha).

Perhaps a research project need be started. Any other mythology, world religion buffs, theology perhaps.

[edit on 16-7-2004 by ADVISOR]

Originally posted by Echo
Umm...maybe you should take a look at some different views of Christianity. Not everyone subscribes to the fundamentalist ideas. So please, refrain from overgeneralization and posting titles like "The god of the bible is an evil god"

stupid n00bs

oh no, i was called a stupid n00b. whatever shall i do now. you sure as hell showed me. >;P -)

btw, i've been here for about 6 months now.

[edit on 16-7-2004 by mutehalo]

I was going to go over this one but, I figure...if this is the way he thinks, if this is his level of understanding, then there's no way he'll understand anything I'll say.


I would like to know however, if God is evil then what is good? Or if God says something is evil but you say it's not, then you are better than God and know more than him? How is that? Or say nothing is evil, people are just people and will make mistakes. Well if nothing is evil, then how can God be evil?

he dosn't even care if your just a young inocent child that dosn't even know what he or she is really doing.

At what age do you lose that innocency?
If a child grows up a theif or anything else, trust me...they know what they are really doing.

Originally posted by ADVISOR
There is SO MUCH removed from the original chronicles...

Let's unncannonize the Bible
Alot is lost through translation too.

Perhaps a research project need be started.

Good idea. Perhaps it can include research on the original meaning of the words of that time. Mabey taken in such a context, the bible may make more sense.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

I would like to know however, if God is evil then what is good? Or if God says something is evil but you say it's not, then you are better than God and know more than him? How is that? Or say nothing is evil, people are just people and will make mistakes. Well if nothing is evil, then how can God be evil?

obviously i dont think i know more than god, obviously if i can think up this concept god has allready thought of this as well thus validating my point that the bible god isn't real. also personally i dont believe in the concepts of good an evil. but many christians do so thats why i put things in the terms of good and evil.

At what age do you lose that innocency?
If a child grows up a theif or anything else, trust me...they know what they are really doing.

well i'm sure you'd probally agree that most children at a very young age dont think within the boundries of good and evil and if they are engaging in these so called evil acts its because they "dont know any better". that has nothing to do with my point though. in the bible, young infants are murdered at the hands of god and for what reason?

You like that huh, good you just volunteered for TL if that's ok with you, it is, good.

I'm all for a project of this nature, however serious inquiries need apply only.

God is not evil.

I think Satan doesen't just run around turning people into Hitlers. I think he tempts us with money, power, sex and violence. Thats why God gave us freewill, so we can make the decision whether to fall for Satan's tricks or not. So really its our fault if we sin. But guess what it doesen't matter because Jesus died for us, so we are forgiven by default (if you believe in Him that is). Unless you go and murder 16 different people thats another story.

As for the children if God murdered young infants for no reason but they automaticcaly go to Heaven, don't you think they are better off?

I also think Heaven is like a clubhouse, you have to know the secret passord to get in but the password ain't so secret.

I hate it when people use the same excuse to hate Christians " Christians always to force there way of life (religion,Bible,etc.) down other peoples throats." I don't know anyone that does that and I live in a Catholic family with an atheist sister and we don't care if she believes in God or not. The only place they do that is in church or on the church channel.

Sorry just had to get that last part out.

Originally posted by mutehalo
....obviously if i can think up this concept god has allready thought of this as well thus validating my point that the bible god isn't real.

STOP:
So if he isn't real, how can he be evil?

CONTINUE:

also personally i dont believe in the concepts of good an evil. but many christians do so thats why i put things in the terms of good and evil.

STOP:
So what do you think in terms of?
If not good and evil, then what? (the world would be in total chaos if nothing was either good or bad)

Take murder (cold blooded). What is that?

in the bible, young infants are murdered at the hands of god and for what reason?

Not sure where you got this from but please provide a link or proof.

i lost interest in that website www.evilbible.com when it took the word of Jesus way out of context to fit its own needs.

I think Jesus Christ set the record straight when he came and preached peace, I don't believe God was actually behind such things as the Crusades... Jesus Christ never says to do anything like that, in fact he says not to.

I think there is alot of confusion on just who
God really is! I'm not a bible thumper or trying
to convert people but......................................
God is in everyone and everything. You don't have
to go to church or read the bible to be close to him,
because he is already in you and he speaks to us
through our conscious.

The church and the Bible have one thing in common,
Man. The church is led by a man and the bible was
written by men, do you trust your instinct or a
stranger that say's it is so? you decide

Sorry another stupid mistake i made wich i cant fix now. Can a mod delete this please?

[edit on 16-7-2004 by AD5673]

Is Yahweh the clan god of Israel "evil?"

It would (of course) depend on one's particular definition of "good" and "evil" , I suppose. What the tribe up the hill thinks is "evil" is what the tribe down the hill thinks is "good" etc.

I am reminded of passages like the one in Genesis from the torah of the Jews: "For eating with an Israelite is an Abomination to the Egyptians..."

The post Exilic "Jews" according to their Torah, believe that "man" (ha adam) was made in the image of their clan god (elohim), but the REVERSE is probably more true, as Sigmund Freud and Karl Marx (both Ashkenazi German Jews) both said:

"IT WAS NOT MAN MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THE GOD, IT WAS MAN WHO MADE GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE...AND AFTER HIS OWN LIKENESS..."

So if you want to know what a tribal clan is like, look at their clan-god, which is a PROJECTION of the clan's aspirations, and you'll get a pretty good idea. Like the expression, Show me Your Friends, and I'll Tell you What you Are...

We might say something very similar: SHOW ME YOUR CLAN GOD and I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU ARE LIKE...

Warrior clans have warrior-clan gods (e.g. Yahweh is a Man of War), whereas Peaceful clans have Peaceful clan-gods.

Look at the bi-sexuality among the Greek males during the Athenian period and before (you only have to Read Plato's writings, or take a quick look at a Greek vase to see what I am talking about).

Their gods were, ( by virtue of this projection of their culture "into the heavens" ) bi-sexual also, such as Apollo (who was in love with a young man named Hyacynthus) and Dionysius who cross dressed and acted outlandishly feminine at times or even Zeus who had a boyfriend-lover named Ganymede his "cup-bearer" (as well as having tonnes of female lovers too).

In the Torah, the god of the Jews is a desert god whose attributes resemble desert peoples. That's why we read all the Bedouin Hope in the Abrahamic Promises---all the things a Bedouin would value, i.e. SONS, and CATTLE and WIVES and LAND....

That also explains why YHWH (the post exilic clan god of the Jews) is so testy, and narrow minded and violent: bedouin are testy and narrowminded and violent, hot tempered and extreme in their emotions, distrustful and "racist" in the sense of the US verses THEM mentality.

That's also why when we see images of R. Yeshoshua bar Yosef ("Jeeezuzz") throughout the world in different places, we see him portrayed just like the local people (northern Europeans make "Jeezuz" with blue eyes and blond hair, Black Africans make him look like, well, a black African, and images of "Jeezuzz" in China make him look, as expected, rather Asian, despite the fact that he was a Daviddic Judaean-Galilean with probably "Shemitic" features including a pronounced "probuscus").

Is the "god of the Jews" evil? To judge from what words the Levietical priests placed into his mouth, we would certainly take exception to many of the socalled "divine laws" that smack of bad science, superstition, racism, sexism and inhuman cruetly as well as of course ethnic genocide which he clearly condones (read: Deuteronomy chapter 13 and Deuteronomy chapter 20, then read the heinous book of Joshua for a taste of what I am talking about).

Some would say that you shouldn't judge the morals of the past with 21st century standards, but by the standards of the past contemporary with the culture you are studying.

If so, the viscious clan god of the Jews is no better or worse than hundreds of the other desert nomadic clan gods in the region (e.g. Chemosh and Dagon and Nebo and Molech etc.) all of whom demanded regular blood sacrifices from their own priests (even human ones like YHWH used to like in the book of Judges) and most had a taste for first born males for some reason..!

Either way, the Torah and the local clan god of Israel has outlived his relevance in the 21st century: what is needed now is a new construct based more on Universality and Tolerance of Difference if we are to survive into the 22nd century.....and this is NOT to be found by reading the Bible, whose very core wreaks of Absolute Intolerance of anyone "outside the clan".

first off if god is so loving why would he create a fiery pit of torment and despair for all the so called sinners to rot in for all eternity. wheres the love in sending your children to an eternity of torment because they may have made a few mistakes with thier lives or where raised to believe in something else.

First off it was Lucifer. He was an angel once, but thought he can be his own God. So when he made Adaa, and Eve sin he was cast into a fiery pit and torment called hell. Since people decieved God, and sinned, God couldnt trust people anymore. So since people have free will and if they choose to go the way the devil does by sinning they get punished.

why would god allow satan to lead his children astray. i mean satan suposidly tried to overthrow god and yet he is able to run about and corrupt his children. yet if you are one of the so called sinners you'll imediately go to hell when you die. it seems to me that god is probally in allegiance to the prince of darkness.

Once again it is called free will. You have free will. God does not rule over you. Didnt you ever know that? You do what you choose to do.

next there is the whole concept of sin. from what i gather, sin is basically an act that pisses god off. but it seems to me that most everything pisses god off like sex, homosexuality, drugs, dancing, rock music, and other things of that nature.

The concept of sin isnt what pisses God off...it's what you do when you brake the rules God set up for you to follow so you may be accepted to heaven, and not taken to hell by the devil. You read the Bible, and you find out the rules are reasonable.

it seems the only thing he is ok with is the submission of his children to the very restrictive christian life. it seems to me that god is very irritable and closed minded to his own very creation. then you have all the horrible things he did in the old testament to punish so the so called sinners by causing plauges, wars, and mass genocide. he dosn't even care if your just a young inocent child that dosn't even know what he or she is really doing. if you have any connection to sinners, you will die a horrible death and goto hell because god said so.

Ok... Im a Christian. I have been taught to love God, belive in him, the whole story of the Bible, and know much about world famous religions. I have been taught that since i was probably born I pray to God a lot, and everytime i ask for help...i get it. If you knew me i dont live a very restrictive life. I curse, like to drink (though im 12 i tried it, and every birthday pary i have...i get drunk), etc... I live like a normal kid, but at the end i know God loves me no matter what. Ask for fogivness, and he will forgive you. Thoguh he will punish you for sin, because you chose the devil's way. The "horrible things" you mentioned are realesed by the satan NOT God. Satan want sin and for all humanity to die. He likes it when you get tormented in hell. God loves you and he will not kill you. Also God knows what your doing ALWAYS. He knows EVERYTHING! He created EVERYTHING. He knows what the little innocent boy, or girl is doing, and belive me when children die they go to heaven. Children are small...they dont understand anything. If they die they will go to heaven, and belive me they will be much more ha[ppier there than they are on Earth.

now wait, in the bible it says he so "loved" the world that he sent his only son to die for the forgiveness of our sins. sadly this is far from the truth. why exactly does he have to send his only son to die one of the most horrible deaths imaginable just so we can be forgiven. if god is all powerfull why dosn't he just forgive us himself. so jesus died and now were all forgiven or so it seems. the only way to be forgiven for your sins is to accept jesus as your savior and reject sin for the rest of your life.

First off blood needs to be spilled for sins to be forgiven, and lambs are not enough to forgive humanity. He needed a holy man to die for humanity. You think Jesus wanted it? Thoguh he is God, and is in heaven he still didnt want to die. Exept Jesus as your saviour but try not to sin. You CAN NOT sin in your life. The ONLY person who NEVER sinned is Jesus himself, and he's God's son, so it's possible for him. Once again Im a Christian. I have been taught to love God, belive in him, the whole story of the Bible, and know much about world famous religions. I have been taught that since i was probably born I pray to God a lot, and everytime i ask for help...i get it. If you knew me i dont live a very restrictive life. I curse, like to drink (though im 12 i tried it, and every birthday pary i have...i get drunk), etc... I live like a normal kid, but at the end i know God loves me no matter what. You also have free will.

and what about those that never heard of jesus or were raised in another religion (suposidly created by satan). well if there was no way to find out about jesus or you were raised to believe in something else, too fricking bad for you. and what about children that die unbaptised or died too young to know anything about children. well your god will send them to hell regardless cause i guess he just loves us like that. and what do you get anyways for living a sinless life and accepting jesus. an eternity of praying to your god in submission. how is that any better than hell aside from burning in a lake of fire?

Once again children ARE NOT sent to hell! Children are too young to understand anything. They will live with God in heaven and happiness forever. Also everyone on Earth knows who Jesus is, and what you have to do to go to heaven with God. Everone can go to a Church and convert to Christianity. They know the rules of it. In ancient times, the South American civilizations knew of Jesus. Though it is uknown how they have wrtings, and pcitures drawn of Jesus. When the Spanish came to South Amercia they hid the information, so the peoplethere would look like savages. You CAN NOT live a sinless life once agaiun. It's IMPOSSIBLE, and even the holliest person on Earth made at least one sin. You try to sin as less as possilbe, and ask God for forgivenes. He loves YOU and will forgive you no matter what. For that you get an eternal life in Heaven, in happiness, and love ALWAYS.

so why worship such an evil god? if you only serve this god out of fear of what he might do to you, then you my friend are nothing but a coward. sorry. thankfully you have nothing to worry about my christian brothers. well first off lets take a look at the bible. its riddled with contradictions within itself and also contradictions with science and history. also there are plenty of people that have had near death experiences and have encountered god for themselves. what they found was not an evil god at all but a infinitely loving god. and its not straight christians that have encountered this loving god either. people from all sorts of religious backrounds and different sexual orientations have enountered a loving god as well as those who have lead a suposidly "sinfull life".

I dont not worship God out of fear, I worship God of what he has taqught wich is true. God is not evil as i have already explained. Eevryone lives a sinful life, ask for forgivneness. I have seen God, and belive in him. I love him, and hope you chnage your mind and pray to ask him for forgiveness, if you want to live in peace, and happiness forever in heaven. I do not want you to be sinning, and going to hell because of the satan. k? I belive in God, and hope you change your mind after this post. Read the Bible. Understand what it says, and if you dont go to a Church, and ask the priest about whatever you dont understand to explain to you. Hopefully you will change. This is for your own good. (God still loves you...evern after this).