Four American hostages killed by Somali pirates

Maybe we should take Russia's lead on the subject....

SOMALIA: Russia executed all Somali pirates

A pirate spokesman, who wished to remain anonymous, contacted Somalilandpress today said at least ten of his men were executed by the Russian navy after the troopers stormed MV Moscow University.

“The Russians commandos stormed the ship before sunrise, starting a firefight with our men, onboard they injured three of them and one was killed,” he said.

He dismissed the Russian navy statement that the men were released because of “the absence of a legal base to carry out prosecution procedures against pirates”.

“The Russians never released the young men instead they shot them point-blank range then loaded their lifeless bodies back on the boat,”

Out here in the country they have a method for taking care of stray cats and dogs, they call it "Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up". Perhaps a similar method should be employed here like, "Shoot, Sink and Shut-up".

Originally posted by SLAYER69
“The Russians never released the young men instead they shot them point-blank range then loaded their lifeless bodies back on the boat,”

But it didn't solve the problem of "Somalian Piracy" at all did it?

That's what I am trying to say here. These are not solutions. They are band-aids. Just cover the problem up for a little while, yet it festers underneath and gets worse over time.

We need to address the root causes of the problem, and solve it there.

Like paying ransoms needs to stop. It only exacerbates the incentives for doing it.
But that isn't the solution no it's the beginning of a whole contingent of problem solving.

Somalians are dead anyway if they don't have enough fish to feed themselves and their famillies due to Western trawlers stealing from their waters.

This has become big business for somalian pirates now and to sort out this problem will require black hawk down style sacrifice and permanent millitary bases along the coastline.

Overall this will result it 50,00 -100,000 dead somalians and a stack of dead soldiers heading home on planes.

I think that it's time to start sending some decoy ships to run up and down the coast.

When they are attacked, blow the pirates out of the water. Don't capture them, sink them.

That would be a little discouraging after a bit.

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Amigo,
I believe the only solution would be an embargo. With a of flotilla of both small and large vessels capable of taking out any pirate vessel that wonders out into international waters to do harm to commerce or private shipping. You simply can't sit around and and do nothing. Those commandeered ships and personnel can't and should not be left to twist in the wind. Something has to be done and by first cutting off their ability to continue should be the first move. Trouble is that would probably be just as costly in both lives and funding as an invasion to rescue those captives and put a stop to piracy there!

Zindo

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Well let's see.

If a ship is taken...

Kill the pirates.

And

Refuse to pay ANY ransom.

Wouldn't seem like a very profitable or long lived career move on the Pirates part.

Let me apply this logic to my real life.

So lets say I am driving down the Public Road in the ghetto (sailing a boat in international waters off coast of Somalia); and I see some hoodlums approach my car.

I should just shoot them pre-emptively because tons of people got their car jacked here historically?

You do realize that this is considered a felony murder charge right?

The same goes with the ocean, you cannot legitimately fire upon someone until they make offensive moves against you first.

Should I send decoy cars filled with explosives down the street of the ghetto to lure the car jackers out and then "boom" when they approach the car?

If someone jacks my car do I have a right to shoot them in the head legally? Execution style?

How do I suddenly gain this right if it's a ship and on water?

I do agree self-defense is acceptable 100%, but after they are captured? This is murky waters here.

Originally posted by muzzleflash


Should I send decoy cars filled with explosives down the street of the ghetto to lure the car jackers out and then "boom" when they approach the car?

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I don't know, but that sounds like the recipe for a great charles bronson movie.

Some of you guys really believe that russian style execution will solve the problem?

Somlians are like zombies, they don't care whether they live or die, life is full of # for them anyway.

They will carry on pirating in droves and will eventually adopt making russians pay for killing their brothers in grozny.

You can buy some very interesting stuff once you have $millions of hard cash in your hands in a no-mans land.

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I have a better solution...Gather 2 to 3 hundred SAS and SEAL snipers... pay them to travel the horn.. Pay them well for 1 year... Every boat gets 2 or 3 snipers... Little boats like this one... I wouldn't be caught dead in that area of the ocean..

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Who's we sucka. Please do not include me when you say we.


First of all who steals there fish? Not me. Them mo fos would hijack me boats. he he he

Second of all who dumps toxic waste on their land.

Last time I checked the muslims controlled somlia.

Now if boats cannot pass by them without being hijacked.


Then please explain to me how a boat goes over there and dumps toxic waste.


Hmmmmmm. Please tell me this. Waiting tapping foot.....

Maybe just maybe. They get payed for it. Hmmmmm


Now me thinks them be bad muslims then correct.

Any good muslim knows you cannot ruin the enviroment. Correct.

Allah no like people who pollute muslim land.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
If someone jacks my car do I have a right to shoot them in the head legally? Execution style?

Yes, In many states with the no retreat clause and or the castle doctrine it applies to any vehicle you occupy like here in Missouri. You attempt to jack my car I will blow you away no questions asked. The law here only requres that they attempt to invade my car - they don't have to be successful nor do they have to have a deadly weapon. It is assumed they are hostile and I have total immunity from civil suit as well.

Originally posted by muzzleflashHow do I suddenly gain this right if it's a ship and on water?

Under international maritime law the punushment for piracy can be carried out by the Captain of a vessel after a trial appointing an officer as the prosecution and one as defense with the Captain being judge. The punishment is hanging and can be carried out immediately.

Originally posted by muzzleflashI do agree self-defense is acceptable 100%, but after they are captured? This is murky waters here.

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Personally if I were in charge there would be no capture - they would all be killed diring the assault.

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Wild bob I'm all for it but to bad the librals would come out of the wood work tio complain how we exocute poor defensless somali fisherman.

Listen if the boat is approached then it is sunk. Get some pred over there asap. When a boat is approached sink it. The should be a maritime rule ot there all craft need to hold a 5 mile radius from one another if you break the ring of trust.

JDAM enroute.

I stealth out of degio garcia could fly so high over head and a jdam could be dropped. hell it could be a dummy to just crash into it


Then they can work on there target practice.

Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I have a better solution...Gather 2 to 3 hundred SAS and SEAL snipers... pay them to travel the horn.. Pay them well for 1 year... Every boat gets 2 or 3 snipers... Little boats like this one... I wouldn't be caught dead in that area of the ocean..

Actually the ships owner should bear the responsibility for any defense and he can under maritime law use any means neccessary to repel borders inculding lethal.

He could hire these guys; Maritime Security Solutions

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Offensive move you me pull up along side and flash RPG's. By that time it is to late.


And yes if you driving through the ghetto and you stop at a light and a gropup of 5 teens walk over and say your dead mo fo give us your money. Then you look him straight in the eye and say game over homee and you rack one in the chamber and drive away through the red light. If one flinches or even blinks you open fire and hope you can empty your mag and get away before the bust out the uzi's.

Stay alert stay alive my friend.

Dude grow up a little and get into the big boy world where big boy rules apply.
Yes if you drive in the ghetto and are approached by thugs then you have every right to defend yourself. Thats a continum based solution. As they approach make it clear that you are not intrested in their services. If they continue to approach then make it obvious that you are armed and will respond..If they continue to act aggressivly then draw down and shoot them to the ground.
These thugs from the horn have no right to take ships in international waters. Period end of story. What does an oil tanker have to do with "illegal fishing"? Not a darn thing. Yes it is profitable because the companies will pay the ransom. Please explain how you would stop international companies from paying a ransom? Currently it is extremly difficult for companies to place armed security on their ships due to the ports of call the ships dock in not allowing weapons. If the ships cannot defend themselves and cannot pay ransom then how will they conduct operations? Commerce will end in the Red and Arabian sea. Ships would then be forced to make the trip around the Cape. Sending shipping prices through the roof. The solution is to turn this over to private industry (this is happening). Companies should train their crews in ship defense and arm them. Just as the police cannot be everywhere the Navies of the world cannot be everywhere to escort every single boat or ship through the area.
No one should travel there unless they are prepared to defend themselves.
Do a little research on the Barbary Coast and how Thomas Jefferson delt with this very issue. I will give you a hint "To the Shores of Tripoli" is not just a random lyric in the Marine Corp Hymn.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Let me apply this logic to my real life.

So lets say I am driving down the Public Road in the ghetto (sailing a boat in international waters off coast of Somalia); and I see some hoodlums approach my car.

I should just shoot them pre-emptively because tons of people got their car jacked here historically?

You do realize that this is considered a felony murder charge right?

The same goes with the ocean, you cannot legitimately fire upon someone until they make offensive moves against you first.

Should I send decoy cars filled with explosives down the street of the ghetto to lure the car jackers out and then "boom" when they approach the car?

edit on 22-2-2011 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

Maritime Law is a bit different. Most sailors would fire warning shots at the approaching vessel to send the message to STAY AWAY! If they dont get that message then you have the right to defend your vessel against an intruder.

Most people I know who do some serious open ocean sailing are armed to the teeth and when another vessel approaches them in the middle of the ocean they ready their firearms.

Have you ever seen the TV show Bait Car? The plant a car in the 'ghetto' and wait for someone to try to steal it, when that happens the police swarm in and arrest the would be thief for grand theft.

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Thats what I'm saying.

Hey look a boat full of somali's is coming our way.

Get the binoculars. Yup its them. ok get my 3006 and my box of home made ammo.

Now set up position prone on the bow. One clip in the bow. And the rest in the front windshield. Now if the boat keeps heading in my direction I turn the other direction and call a mayday and lay down massive amounts of fire until evaded or captured. If captured. Well I would eat lead first by my own hand.