Are 'Aliens' Dinosaurs & Survivers of an Earthly Cataclysm Returning Home?

Originally posted by Pimander

Is it Possible That Dinosaurs Evolved into Humanoids?

I know some members may find this theory far fetched. However, there are some real scientific ideas behind it. I only ask that you give it at least some consideration.

What if a species of dinosaur was bipedal, had an opposable thumb, large brain and good linguistic skills (think of birds their close relatives.) That would basically be a humanoid lizard like species with abilities comparable to ours.

By abilities, I assume you mean the intellectual capacity to reason, recognise and utilise basic physical tools like stones and bone clubs, and plan ahead to some degree?

Dinosaurs were around for a lot longer than us. They had longer to produce a humanoid than the mammals.

If bipedal dinosaurs had been presented with similar evolutionary hurdles to mammals, surely it is entirely possible that they evolved similar solutions. These solutions would include the larger brain, language and opposable thumb.

However, the dinosaurs were wiped out in the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event 65 million years ago. Or where they?

Could a Humanoid Dinosaur Survive The Mass Extinction?

What if we assume our hypothetical Anthroposaurus did exist. If the species were around for a little longer than modern humans, maybe they developed technology? After 65 million years it is highly unlikely that it would be recognisable, even if anything of it remained.

I cannot agree with you on this point. We find fossils because animals died and did not move, allowing deposits of sandstone and limestone and so on, to cover them and preserve them. Now bare in mind that these are mere mortal creatures, flesh and blood , just like mankind , and thier bones and even the markers of thier skin, survive even to this day, buried in obscure landscapes all over the world, waiting to be dug up. If an anthropomorphised dinosaur humanoid race had existed to the point where they had technology of any sort whatsoever, there would be evidence of this somewhere in archaeological record, since technological constructs are invariably more durable than the flesh of thier creators.

Maybe when the catastrophe came at the end of the Cretaceous there were some survivors. Some could have survived underground. Today there are Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBS.) If Anthroposaurus had prepared for the cataclysm, maybe they had a plan to go underground? If they were smart enough they would very likely have had a plan to survive.

The hypothetical Dinosauroids may also have developed high technology such as ultra high speed inter stellar craft too. If some Anthroposauroids were on deep space near light speed missions, the law or relativity would come in to play. As is well known, Dinosauroids travelling at close to the speed of light will have barely aged in millions of Earth years and could be back to find humans 'in charge'.

Another alternative is that, aware of the coming cataclysm, they may have left the planet to find a new home. Maybe their descendants have returned to observe or even return to their home planet to find that it is crawling with 'primitive' humans. Perhaps to them it is we who are the newcomers?

So guys. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. I would love to hear your views.

Could be a load of old baloney. It's only an idea but it might explain an awful lot.

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I have to say I love this interpretation of events, simply because it is so imaginative, and something I have never heard of anywhere else. You make some good points, but it will be the archaeological evidence which scuppers the boat of your thinking on this point.
You suggest that the anthropomorphised dinosaur race, may have had the technological capacity to launch a faster than light speed craft for the purpose of escaping the devastation to come. However, there are a few things to consider when discussing this possibility. First you have the evolution of technology itself. It is likely that in terms of the evolution of the thinking behind any increase in technological mastery, would be similar to that expressed by humanity, in that we have been left with only the mineral and chemical capacity provided us by the Earth itself, since all the metals, the wood, the glass and everything we use, has come from the planet .

Therefore we can safely assume that the evolution of the technology of such a species would inevitably travel along similar paths in essence. We would expect to see unexplained evidence of fossil fuel use for example, many millions of years before our arrival as a technological species, and if we are to accept the idea of space faring dinosaurs, then we must assume that some radiological experimentation had to have been attempted by such a species, since high energy chain reactions of some sort would likely as not have to be understood before any potential light speed travel was even thought of. Such testing would leave VERY telling signals in the ground, even after such a long time. Perhaps not straight up radiological matter, but certainly the evidence of its presence would still remain even after such a long time, its effects on the geology and fossils would be obvious.
There would certainly, if not actual atomic test evidence, have to be major structures, containing metalic parts, because in order to research ANY FTL , regardless of how smart or different thier tech might have been, there would have to have been some testing, and testing particles at even a fraction of the speed of light, just cannot happen without the need for metalic structures. There would be evidence of mineral mining, and civilisation itself, which no leap of faith or imagination, could possibly suggest had merely been eradicated utterly by the ELE which wiped the dinosaurs off our planet.

I love this theory, I really do, but from an archaeological point of veiw , it cannot hold weight.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
space faring dinosaurs

Awww I wish the thread had been called that

Originally posted by nemd3104
Who is to say that someone hasn't found some sort of remnants of this culture, just because it hasn't been made known to the masses.

You are arguing speculation as fact. It is spectral evidence. Speculation is fine as long as you realize it is speculation.

Originally posted by wonderboy2402
Edit: Perhaps an intelligent race could have developed and been almost like say, the Australian aborigine... Maybe living off the land but leaving little trace behind.

Your joking right, they physically used to torch the whole place. They destroyed species, by doing this, evidence is the fossilised records of trees that are now not thee because they couldn't handle continual bushfires. There is also evidence of the Aborigines destroying all of Australias Mega Fauna. They hunted them to death. Yeah real intellegent.

Come on why would they have wanted to become or what would have been evolutions purpose for going Bipedal.
Becoming much, much smaller to hide from bigger hungry reptiles, might have helped. Growing wings and being able to reach higher cooler areas might have helped. Even diving into the ocean/rivers may have helped. Becoming a slow runner, with shocking balance and shocking small build compared to most, but not small enough to hide properly, probably wouldn't help.

It would be cool if there was a different dimension or hidden underground Dinosaur Bipeds. I don't think so tho'. I would love to be proven wrong.

Maybe if you grab Mario and Luigi find the secret tunnel while your working drain, then give the princess a hand into dinosaur land!

Originally posted by Slipdig1
Come on why would they have wanted to become or what would have been evolutions purpose for going Bipedal.

Call me stupid but weren't quite a few dinosaurs bipedal?

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If you like the idea of that, then this may be of some enjoyment to you, and to anyone who enjoys the thought of space faring dinosaurs, and speculative theory on the subject of how they might have come to be .

drmcninja.com...

This page is silly.

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With all the reports of alien abductions involving human-alien inbreeding and genetic experimentation, it would not surprise me that if reptilians exist, the creatures were derived from genetic experimentation.

Funnily enough, in the early 90s I used to have a bi-weekly magazine about dinosaurs (being a kid, everyone was into dinosaurs back then just before Jurassic Park was made) and the very last issue had a "what would dinosaurs look like if they hadn't died out and evolved like us?".

I remember the image they used in this what if scenario clearly and what do I find when I click on this topic after the image pops back into my head after all these years?

The picture in the OP of two statues and the one on the left is an exact match for what scientists said they may look like in this magazine.

Maybe the dinosapians were marine, and lived under water, would make sense, seeing as life has existed even longer in the sea, then why not others, faster evolving species?. There has been alot of reports of ufo's under the water/sightings at sea.

Here is another thread on a similar theme Lizardmen really modern dinosaurs?

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well the physical evidence is as elusive as the Dodo evidence, and that is at a low tally of one complete skellington i think. strange considering they were local to the island of Mauritius, you would think the islands would turn up more fossils.

interesting blog on the Dodo for those that wish to see the heights of archaeological prowess

nz.answers.yahoo.com...

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Originally posted by WingedBull
Except a lot has changed about our understanding of dinosaurs since Dale Russell's "dinosauroid thought experiment". It is accepted that theropods dinosaurs (such as troodon) do have highly intelligent descendants living today, birds. This is based on evidence; namely comparisons of fossils to bird anatomy. However, Russell's dinosauroid is based on just pure conjecture. Based on what we know about the evolution of dinosaurs and birds, there is no reason to assume troodon would evolve a humanoid shape.

Also, it is now accepted that theropods were feathered. Reptilians, however, are not reported having feathers. Nor are they reported with beaks.

Now, if bird-like aliens start cropping up, then we might have a problem...

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a sound reply at last... indeed our understanding of dinosaurs has been updated lately. Even History Channel has that update already, as was illustrated in their TV series "dinosaur secrets". While the level of information in these shows is shallow, it's worth looking at, as it makes clear how wrong our thinking about dino's has been all these years. Right now it's not even clear whether they were cold blooded or not.

That's why I for one would refrain from cooking up statements that start with a list of utterly improbable conditions. Such a line of reasoning might have the advantage of stimulating thinking out of the box, it's not the right method to cook up a theory.

Originally posted by funbox
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well the physical evidence is as elusive as the Dodo evidence, and that is at a low tally of one complete skellington i think. strange considering they were local to the island of Mauritius, you would think the islands would turn up more fossils.

interesting blog on the Dodo for those that wish to see the heights of archaeological prowess

nz.answers.yahoo.com...

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Dodo are a terrible example for two reasons. First they died out within humanities existance as an intellectual being, and also they are birds, and while not being the lightest of birds, will share with thier airbourne cousins a certain element of that hollow bone that birds tend to have. Therefore wear and tear on the dead by natural errosion alone makes the fact that ANY bone survived miraculous.
Besides which, there is a marked difference between the mortal flesh of a living body, and the cold , unrelenting bulk of steel or iron. Metal is harder than bone.

For me it's apparent that reptilian aliens are certainly visiting Earth.

The same way that Napoleon Bonaparte or Captain Kirk is - via the minds of lunatics who need help.

I don't think this will ever change (bar the idols chosen).

-m0r

Originally posted by TrueBrit

Originally posted by funbox
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well the physical evidence is as elusive as the Dodo evidence, and that is at a low tally of one complete skellington i think. strange considering they were local to the island of Mauritius, you would think the islands would turn up more fossils.

interesting blog on the Dodo for those that wish to see the heights of archaeological prowess

nz.answers.yahoo.com...

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Dodo are a terrible example for two reasons. First they died out within humanities existance as an intellectual being, and also they are birds, and while not being the lightest of birds, will share with thier airbourne cousins a certain element of that hollow bone that birds tend to have. Therefore wear and tear on the dead by natural errosion alone makes the fact that ANY bone survived miraculous.
Besides which, there is a marked difference between the mortal flesh of a living body, and the cold , unrelenting bulk of steel or iron. Metal is harder than bone.

i think you misunderstood my standpoint. I highlight the Dodo as an example of one big Human failing. documenting, recording of the species .is lacking in my humble. i see that even down to descriptions of the plumage is lacking in details. all this from a time period of 500 years , pity-full really. o well.


funbox

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Wow. Wait until the Christians read this one. Dinos into humans? I guess anything is possible. But, speaking of dinosaurs, my mother in law just got here in her 1958 Buick. Gotta go. Later.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
. Once you do return, your society is completely gone and in its place are a bunch of hairless apes, who can barely get along without killing each other or mother Earth.

I'd be angry and ready to destroy.

Yea not just that but the fact that we eat they're descendants, lots of them! lol

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I just thought of something. The lizard woman in the picture is depicted breast feeding her baby. The reptiles we know of do not produce milk. A point to ponder.

If we were to accept that dinosaurs evolved into intelligent being who eventually became more scientifically advanced than we humans are now, then maybe it is they who left the "so called" structures on the moon, Mars and beyond!? It would also explain the archeology that is often excavated which science hides away in the cellars of museums all over the world..You could even tie in the pyramids and other ancient sites into this theory...!
It would be a really nice theory accept for the fact that we should surely be seeing their representation in the form of fossil evidence? Has anyone ever come across evidence of humanoid dinosaurs in fossil beds?

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This is a pretty good thread and something I've thought about for a while. To me it seems, well, rather ludicrous to think that this small ball of rock. orbiting our small star, 30 light years from the core, surrounded by a 100 billion stars would be visited by passing aliens just to mutilate our cattle and stick probes inside abductees. Whenever UFOs are witnessed they seem awefully small for any kind of long distance travel and I hate the explanation that there is some huge mothership lurking just out of sight, of course, it's possible, just an extremely remote possibility.

The Earth is around 4.5+ billion years old, species have come and gone ranging from single cell all the way to some sophisticated lifeforms.

Now the point of this topic is "Are Aliens survivors of Earthly cataclysm returning home" but my question is, why would they even leave?

If they were developed enough to see a pending extinction event why not just dig down into the middle of the largest, most stable tectonic plate and continue existence underground? Let's go with that for a moment, so they are intelligent, have a stabilized underground society and over time lose the need for pigmentation and develop larger eyes. They would take on a gray appearance, have large eyes look somewhat avian in nature and would avoid any exposure to sunlight and tend towards agoraphobia. Sound familiar?

This seems to be a lot more logical than alien visitors which I view with a deep scepticism and to be honest, I find even this idea far fetched but it IS possible. We can argue there is no physical evidence of a previous civilization but it may have all simply corroded away or we simply haven't found it, or even may have found it but not recognised it. This is all just speculation and unfortunately will most likely continue to be speculation until some hard evidence shows up, even then, would we recognise it for what it represents?