Could the UK go the same way as Germany before World War 2

With everything that is going on between the UK Parliament and The European Court Of Human Rights, is it not History not repeating itself.

Germany revolted against the agreements before World War 2, which lead to the rise of Hitler and the rise of Nazism which we all remember and hate.

The way The current Prime Minister in the UK is going, is to go against eveything, this country the UK fought for.

When Winston Churchhil, agreed to the values of the european convention off Human rights, was to give everyone, no matter who they were, or what they had done equal rights.

An ex-Law Lord has warned of conflicts between the European Convention on Human Rights and the government's proposed British Bill of Rights.

Lord Woolf said the UK faced a "stark choice" between accepting European court rulings or leaving the system.

The government is looking at a Bill of Rights following rows with Europe over prisoner voting and sex offenders.

Is the rise of the present cases for benefit rights, prisoners giving vote rights, sex register offendors to be taking of sex offenders lists, going to isolate the UK from the rest of the Europe and restrict our own law abidding human rights.

I in myown view is that the UK should not remove itself from the European convenson of human rights. If we do so we would go down the road the way Germany had done before world war 2. Which to me is frighten and alarming

Conflcit With European Human Rights Court

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Human Righs Review Imminent

David Cameron Voicing his contemot over courts of Justice giving thier rulings.


MP's Revolt over EU Decision

reply to post by Laurauk


We will not be able to opt out of this and nor should we as we were the main instigators of this Act at the end of WWII.

As we are tied into Europe and signed away our sovereignty, you will see that this is all hot air eminating out of Westminster. The only way we can get out of this is to withdraw from the E.U entirely and no way would the Bilderbergers heading up the Government allow that to happen.

Well I personally think that Cameron is right and I think the ECHR is getting ridiculous now.
I'm sure it's mostly the media blowing it out of proportion... but some of the things I've been hearing are just crazy.


Voting for prisoners...

Prisoners asking the ECHR for full benefits (financial) while in prison...

I think the sex register thing is tricky... they've spun it so It's just paedophiles but It's not, It's all sex offenders who are placed on the sex offenders register.


I think the European Human Rights fiasco needs sorting out..

I think some people give up their human rights when they decide to murder someone else or whatever they may have done.

I'm glad Cameron is taking a stand and to be honest, It's about time we started to sort our own issues out and decide things for ourselves, instead of Europe dictating.
And yes I'm aware that It's something that all members of the EU have to sign up for but I think this whole human rights thing is getting too out of control now.

reply to post by blupblup


So we, what reform to meet the UK Parliaments, needs not the Peoples rights?

Afterall most of the MPS as much as those EMP's are in it for themselves.

reply to post by blupblup


It does need to be looked at and revised, but in order to do that maybe another Act needs to be introduced.

Words come easy in Politics and Mr C always likes to say the right words.

However, I'm certain they make decisions in order to make the whole EHRA look ridiculous, when in fact it is there to protect ordinary people. Take this away and what would the U.K start to look like.

Take a look at how our police forces dress in order to manage demonstrations.

I think one of the reasons he might be going up against them is because of the prisoners trying to appeal to the courts so that they can get benefits and the right to vote whilst they are in prison.

Vote for prisoners and European control

Rapists and killers demand right to benefits

Prisoners are in jail for a reason, they have broken the law in some way. They therefore relinquished the right to anything as soon as they stabbed that person, robbed that bank, etc

Although I did see this when I was looking for a few of the links

5 myths about the European court of human rights

reply to post by Laurauk


Seems like you WAY oversimplifying inter-war Germany to fit with your view.

Human rights had absolutely nothing to do with World War Two.

Weimar Germany had a political system that was completely divided. Communist, Socialists, social anarchists and Fascists (NSDAP) were at each others throats. The depression shook things up further, Fascism appealed to the masses, and so a coalition government with Hitler as Chancellor was created. Hitler used the burning down of parliament by polish anti-communists to gain emergency control.

The rest is history. He used the enabling act to gain permanent power, and THEN he proceeded to impose Gleichaltung (nazification) on all german controlled territory. This is when Human Rights went out the window.

But of course, Hitler wanted a war, so human rights had nothing to do with that. He hated jews, and believed in the Stab in the Back myth.

How does British parliament reviewing the Bill of Rights have any sort of connection to nazi germany? i mean, when you actually think about it.

Thats history 101. Stay informed

Originally posted by Laurauk
So we, what reform to meet the UK Parliaments, needs not the Peoples rights?

What?

Can you say that in English please...?

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


Um Nazi Officers comes to mind!!

I Apologise but they do really!

reply to post by blupblup


I meant to reform the UK bill of rights to meet those in the UK parliaments needs, whom, are in it for themselves. Or Do we honestly believe that the Coalition Government are really, looking out for our us the ordinary citizens rights? As a whole.

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Laurauk
So we, what reform to meet the UK Parliaments, needs not the Peoples rights?

What?

Can you say that in English please...?

I agree, that sentence makes no sense at all

reply to post by Cobaltic1978




Hey man, I'm all for Human rights... believe me, that's all good.
But not everyone should be entitled to everything available, prisoners being a good example.


And we have our own Human Rights.... we not some backwards country that will start falling aprt if we don't have the EHRA..... we can just have our own and perhaps one that favours the victim as opposed to the criminal and so on.

There are so many cases (and again, I'm aware of spin and agenda's and so on) over the last few years of people who just outright flout these laws and seem to be backed by the ECHR.

Not cool.

What gets me about all this economic collapse. Is the idea that the govt should cut all the benifits of the working classes ect. These benifits were the rewards for the english people, who had laid their lives down for queen and country. These rights were won with the blood of our ancestors. Yet if you listen to this govt, its a different story. If any one should have their benifits cut. Then lets start with all those lying thieving politicians and the banksters. And if we do collapse then I know who I will be taxing. The millionairs who have run this country into the ground and helped them selves with our money.

reply to post by Laurauk


It's an interesting comparison that you raise, but I personally don't see the UK getting too detached from the overall rulings of the ECHR, making Britain's proposed Bill of Rights in complete conflict with the European Court of Human Rights.

After all, the UK government has previously ignored European Court rulings, such as the mandatory destruction of DNA samples taken from suspects who didn't get convicted.

I think that Cameron is more than likely just posturing and trying to convey himself as pro-British and anti-EU Federalism, to appease the general public, who will mostly just see just see his soundbites on TV, while at the same time - without much publicity - his government will be tying up several knots to further integrate the UK into a Federal Europe.

reply to post by SPACEYstranger


So then you tell me how it works if the UK pulls out of the European convention on Human rights.

Weas ordinary Humans in the UK would be held to account by,

Not the Courts whom enforces Justice and the Law.

But by Politicians..

reply to post by Laurauk




Still not entirely sure what your point is.... but I don't think the Coalition are right about everything, but Cameron has always been a Euro Skeptic... I have no issue with Europe at all and most things do not bother me in regards law and so on, but I'm getting slightly annoyed by the kinds of things that people are asking for and claiming under the guise of "human rights"


It's NOT a human right to be able to vote while in prison.....It's a PRIVILEGE

It's NOT a human right to claim financial benefits in Prison, and It's not even a privilege, that to me is a joke.


I'm liberal on almost everything, really I am.... one of the most liberal people you'll ever meet...


But I am pretty... not militant, but pretty stubborn on certain things.... like rights for people who surrendered their rights when they broke the law.

Now I agree to some extent that it shouldn't be a blanket ban and that the guy who's in prison for speeding should not be treated the same as the rapist and the murderer..... it should be looked at on an individual basis.

But man,... some people are taking the piss.

Societies swing like pendulums, we reached the point of return when it came in 2000 since then we've slowly started to be less accepting of peoples differences again, the best way to understand a society is to see how it treats its untouchables (in our society paedophiles and to a lesser degree any prisoner) and those it sees as enemies (Muslims rather unfairly.)

These days you could sit pretty much anywhere from your local pub to a middle class dinner party to some posh event making very offensive Muslim jokes and 9 times out of 10 no one would complain.

A lot of people in this country don't see Muslims and criminals as humans and thus they no longer care about human rights.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.


History doesn't repeat itself but it certainly rhymes.

I'm in agreement with Cameron on this.

I'm just suspicious of his motives because all of his policies are designed to further the interests of his elite backers.

And sorry Laura, I don't buy the comparison with Hitler and Nazi Germany.....however?

reply to post by blupblup


My point is. Are the Govenrment actions with reagrds to the human convention on human rights. Is it going to isolate us from the rest of europe.

I just have bad feeling with everything that is going on with the votes against some rulings from the E.C.H.R.. It goes against everything the UK.

Dictatorship comes to mind,maybe Im looking too much into this but with everything that is going on in the world, does anyone blame me?