Retired USAF pilot Col. Guy S. Razer says 9/11 was 'inside job' perpetrated by US government

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
I think that people should start collecting the IP's of the debunkers and supporters of the official story to be used in the future to either call them out, charge them or whatever angry group think humans would want to do with people like that. Some IPS of debunkers are already saved and cataloged , odd tho that some debunkers have multiple accounts and play both side of the fence another odd thing is that some ats truthers hold accounts at JREF as debunkers.... go figure eh!

Charming.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I never post any personal information about myself on online forums. You never know who is jotting it down for some nefarious purpose.

New researchers into 9/11 can start with this excellent thread
"50 Facts Concerning 9/11 that Point Away from the OS"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

also, google "9/11 whistleblower"
There are so many whistleblowers from FBI and CIA and other agencies, anyone with a little common sense can see there is something fishy going on with THE MEDIA !! Where is the media !!

reply to post by roboe


You need not offer any information. The second you log in or visit a web page is all it takes.

Is there anyone with intelligence ( real intelligence) that still believes the official story?


1 whistle blower was enough but what are we up to now 10+ not including all the people involved in the attackthat were told not to react accordingly thanks to the war game exercises that were being conducted on 911 as an operational cover for the attacks to occur.

Dont forget thousands of victims families, firemen, police, scientists, engineers, politicians, child care workers all demanding more answers for they too have investigated and found their loved ones and country was attacked on fraudulent terms to achieve another agenda which we see in play today.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


I agree, if this conspiracy does turn out to be true, you and everyone else can call me out. Until then, the proof of this conspiracy is in your hands. I will not listen to unsubstantiated claims of a conspiracy, I will look at facts. It is the sheeple who blindly follow claims with no proof or evidence. I will not be a sheeple!

reply to post by Feltrick


Maybe you should start reading the evidence instead of willfully turning your blind ignorant eye to all the facts and evidence that seems too intelligent or 'heavy' to comprehend.

Research MOSSAD and 911, Israel 911, Ptech 911, Art students 911. atta and the venice flying circus.

If you have a hard time with googling than just let me know and I can send you some links.. Thanks for reading and good luck.

Someone mentioned about will the truth about 9/11 ever be revealed and i dont think its a case of that anymore. I think even if there was a tape of Bush saying "yeah we did it" that it would just get shoved off to a conspiracy website like here instead of making MSM. I think everyone is scared of what the consequences of this being revealed as an inside job will be.

Everytime i talk to friend about it i always get the same "dont be so stupid" response "why would a government do that? what about the planes and the phone calls?" etc etc. It's almost as if everyone is happy to turn their backs on the truth because its easier than comprehending the truth actually coming out.

Why is it that all these whistleblowers come to the table with unsubstantiated claims?
Not one provable fact.


Why is it that the same false facts keep being recycled? This Razer guy came out back in ’07. Now he is being brought up like it’s fresh news. Why did it take him 6 years to come out the first time around?

This crap about logging IPs smells of Jared Loughner thinking.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Any proof this person is real, any proof he is a real veteran and does he offer anything besides his opinion?

Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by daveyboy1991

 

You bring up some interesting points...

"Well its obvious it would have been a black project, possibly even blacker than black project as William Pawelec has mentioned in his interview. This all goes back to the most powerful people and wanting more money with no respect for lifes"

Answer: It's always a super secret black project with no paper/electronic trail that "someone" mentions. It's always these ultra powerful people! Secrets cannot be kept, something always leaks out. Where's the proof of this? I would think Assange and WIKILeaks would have found something by now?

"You cant deny there was irregularties with the insurance of the WTC and how in numerous videos small explosions can be seen before it falls, to weaken key points in the structure."

Answer: Insurance? Yep, every building has insurance, I've owned both homeowners and rental insurance. Explosions? When the floors above started to collapse, this caused air pressure on the lower floors to "blow out" the windows. It does appear to be explosions, but they don't appear until after the upper floors start collapsing. Wow, that was relatively easy, no conspiracy here.

"Now there is no way the WTC's would have BOTH collapsed as their design was to withstand fires for days at a time."

Answer: Very Large planes filled with jet fuel hit both towers at high speed causing damage to the structure. The fires that ensued weakened them even further causing them to fail and causing a domino effect that brought down both buildings. The simple answer works best, no conspiracy here.

"Also cant remember which flight, will repost later with the info, but one of the pilots was an ex military pilot who wasnt exactly a small figure against the hijackers who were slim small figures, now how could some hijackers all fit in the cockpit and takeover, now ive been in one when i was a little kid, and it could only just fit one extra person in let alone several people. Almost certain resistance would have been put up in that small area"

Answer: This was a complete surprise to both pilots and passengers. The hijackers moved fast and with a purpose killing/injuring the flight crew before they had a chance to react. Again, the passengers were confused and thought this was a "normal" hijacking and did not fight back. AGAIN, it wasn't until passengers learned of the true intentions of these hijackers that they fought back.

I mean, really, if a non-expert such as myself can refute your "evidence" then I can't see this as being fact. In your post you offer no FACTS just CONJECTURE. IF there is absolute proof of this, please, someone post so we can all understand.

Answer: It's always a super secret black project with no paper/electronic trail that "someone" mentions. It's always these ultra powerful people! Secrets cannot be kept, something always leaks out. Where's the proof of this? I would think Assange and WIKILeaks would have found something by now?


Well wikileaks documents are from embassys sending out, many of the most secret documents wouldnt have been in the cables, also what is assanges insurance document.. this could be anything.


Answer: Insurance? Yep, every building has insurance, I've owned both homeowners and rental insurance. Explosions? When the floors above started to collapse, this caused air pressure on the lower floors to "blow out" the windows. It does appear to be explosions, but they don't appear until after the upper floors start collapsing. Wow, that was relatively easy, no conspiracy here.


Yes every building has insurance, but as already talked about further up the page:
Larry Silverstein, the US property magnate who owned the World Trade Centre, is heading for a fresh clash with Swiss Re, the main insurer of the twin towers.
He is set to present a formal claim for $3.5bn (£2.4bn) to the international insurance market this week, just over four months after the twin towers were destroyed by hijackers..

3.5billion, now with that money you could do anything you wanted to...


Answer: Very Large planes filled with jet fuel hit both towers at high speed causing damage to the structure. The fires that ensued weakened them even further causing them to fail and causing a domino effect that brought down both buildings. The simple answer works best, no conspiracy here.

Look at this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... and look at point 3. Now if those are not explosions i dont know what is...


Answer: This was a complete surprise to both pilots and passengers. The hijackers moved fast and with a purpose killing/injuring the flight crew before they had a chance to react. Again, the passengers were confused and thought this was a "normal" hijacking and did not fight back. AGAIN, it wasn't until passengers learned of the true intentions of these hijackers that they fought back.


Once again how did the hijackers take over control from an ex military pilot, whos family said would never let anything happen and would have done all he could have to prevent it, come on hes big bloke, against lets say a maximum of 2 hijackers in the cock pit at any one time, who according to the identities were small and slim. Really? Now im guessing only one could attack the pilot at the time due to the space in there.

Looking forward to you raising your points. But you mention i have no proof of this, where is your proof to debunk this. It works both ways mate, who said all the passengers just sat in their seats watching the hijack take place?

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Shadow, I Google just fine and need no help with the Google. I have not turned a blind eye to any theory or evidence. I have watched, listened and read everything that I can find. I've read, watched and listen to the theories about the Mossad...but again, there is no proof that they were involved. There are folks who postulate the idea that the Mossad was involved, but when asked to provide evidence....well there's really nothing there.

An Egyptian General states that the Isrealis and US Gov't were involved in 9/11...Hmmmm, why would he do that? Perhaps to drive a wedge between our countries? Maybe. Maybe he's right but again he is making a statement and has no proof to back it up.

This LtCol states that 9/11 was an inside job. Why, maybe he has an ax to grind or maybe he truly believes it, but again he has no proof to back it up.

If I'm wrong and absolute proof/evidence comes out, I will be the first one to admit I was wrong. Heck, I'll start a thread stating in capital letters, "FELTRICK WAS WRONG ABOUT 9/11/2001." Until then I seek evidence.

September 1, 1992: US Misses Opportunity to Stop First WTC Bombing and Discover Al-Qaeda
History commons

Ahmed Ajaj. [Source: FBI]Al-Qaeda Operatives Ahmad Ajaj and Ramzi Yousef enter the US together. Ajaj is arrested at Kennedy Airport in New York City. Yousef is not arrested, and later, he masterminds the 1993 bombing of the WTC. “The US government was pretty sure Ajaj was a terrorist from the moment he stepped foot on US soil,” because his “suitcases were stuffed with fake passports, fake IDs and a cheat sheet on how to lie to US immigration inspectors,” plus “two handwritten notebooks filled with bomb recipes, six bomb-making manuals, four how-to videotapes concerning weaponry, and an advanced guide to surveillance training.” However, Ajaj is charged only with passport fraud, and serves a six-month sentence. From prison, Ajaj frequently calls Yousef and others in the 1993 WTC bombing plot, but no one translates the calls until long after the bombing.

One of the manuals seized from Ajaj is horribly mistranslated for the trial. For instance, the title page is said to say “The Basic Rule,” published in Jordan in 1982, when in fact the title says “al-Qaeda” (which means “the base” in English), published in Afghanistan in 1989. Investigators later complain that a proper translation could have shown an early connection between al-Qaeda and the WTC bombing.

An Israeli Newsweekly later reports that the Palestinian Ajaj may have been a mole for the Israeli Mossad. The Village Voice has suggested that Ajaj may have had “advance knowledge of the World Trade Center bombing, which he shared with Mossad, and that Mossad, for whatever reason, kept the secret to itself.” Ajaj was not just knowledgeable, but was involved in the planning of the bombing from his prison cell.

reply to post by weedwhacker


2004 Secret CIA Prisons
1972 Watergate scandal
1969 Secret Bombing of Cambodia

And on and on and on............
Conspiracy's within our Government do happen.Weedwhacker,You need to at least ADMIT that they do occur. You cant deny this. I can show you many instances of Government cover ups,that werent meant for the public eye. I dont know if this guy is right or wrong. What I do know is that he has an opinion,and he has credentials,just like you. No one can claim"they know",because NO ONE has all the proof on the subject yet. Somethings are hidden from the eyes of the public,and sometimes they come out for all to see.Personally,he brings nothing to the table,based on his credentials.He has ZERO proof,to back his claims.

reply to post by sonnny1

What I do know is that he has an opinion,and he has credentials,just like you.

How do you know this? You are terribly suspicious of anyone and everything in the government sector yet accept this person is who he says he is because he posted in on the internet.

I wanted to write a bit about the other side of the proverbial coin. I had to think for a while on this, because, honestly, I don't know who blew those buildings up on that day. To me, even when watching it in my 12th grade economics class, I stated that it looked like they were controlled demolitions. People called me insensitive, crazy, and un-patriotic. They all told me: "Think about the people that died! How insensitive can you be!" Well, I can tell you that I am not an insensitive person, but I am a rationally-thinking individual. Everything that I saw that day pointed to a controlled demolition. People can try and explain the physics of it all they want, but the fact still remains that all three buildings fell in such a way to minimize property damage around the area. We all know that had they toppled over, they would have taken out several city blocks.

But I digress.

We are starting to see people, with rather lucrative careers and backgrounds coming out about 9/11 and the conspiracy that lay within. This Air Force Colonel apparently has a huge record and would seem reliable at first glance, however, with that being said, questions are being raised in my head about all these "experts" and "high ranking military people." I had the same feelings with the "UFO disclosure" by former military personnel a few months ago.

Why would they be coming out now, and in such force?

I get suspicious of this type of thing only because there is no way to prove either way what happened at WTC 1, 2, and 7 on 9/11/01. We have every theory under the book from a completely staged newscast, fake witnesses, etc., to holographic projections that were really missiles (which is the most ridiculous theory that I have personally ever heard).

What I am getting at is the fact that perhaps we are being subjected to yet another "slight of hand" maneuver by the US Gov. It is only a gut feeling, but I feel like they are only trying to appease the 'truthers' in order to get us to shut up about it. If the real story ever came out, well, you know what that would mean. Perhaps TPTB wants it that way, maybe they don't. Maybe they aren't as smart as we think they are. Either way, I don't think the "truth" will ever come out, for what it's worth.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

reply to post by RustyShakleford92


I think the question of "why was it important to make the buildings fall?" is one of the best arguments against the conspiracy. I'm not saying that I'm convinced it was NOT an inside job...but a good answer to that question always evades conversation somehow.

Why was it so important for the government or whoever was responsible for this that the buildings actually fall? Wouldn't a single plane hitting one of the buildings be enough for an act of war? Why would it be crucial to pack in explosives in advance(or however they were rigged to go down) to make sure the buildings went down? Enough blood would have been shed to start a war even if the buildings did not collapse. So why the focus on the collapsing buildings?

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by RustyShakleford92

 

I believe that the reason that the buildings had to fall was easy. money.

Larry Silverstein, the US property magnate who owned the World Trade Centre, is heading for a fresh clash with Swiss Re, the main insurer of the twin towers.
He is set to present a formal claim for $3.5bn (£2.4bn) to the international insurance market this week, just over four months after the twin towers were destroyed by hijackers..

www.independent.co.uk /news/business/news/twin-towers-row-deepens-as-swiss-re-set-to-refuse-7bn-insurance-claims-664109.html


Do not forget that big money runs the show. The military industrial complex is in control of US policy and big money is in control of them. Planes hit buildings, buildins fall, we need more security, more security leads to more defense spending, and the owner of the buildings gets the insurance check.

This is my take anyways.

S&F op

And from another article in The Independent" Larry Silverstein is accused by Swiss Re of deliberately under-insuring the Towers to save costs :-

www.independent.co.uk...

How does that fit in with an insurance scam in the making ?

This Larry Silverstein guy is definitely involved ... if you owned buildings worth say $5bn ... approx .. even if you have under insured for say $2bn or $3.5bn ... doesn't matter .. you make the claim ...
Main thing is he must have also struck a deal with the bastards who planned 911 .. I'm sure some suits paid him a visit ... he HAD to be on it ...and that deal probably paid him billions more under the table to shut up and play in the circle ... this is all about BIG money ... I'm sure he made 2-3 times the value of the twins ... they don't care who dies in the process ... 3000 Americans .. no problem ... I can only imagine what will go through the minds of the 911 families who lost their loved ones when they find out who actually murdered them for big money ...

Less talk more action.

I cannot shake off the feeling I got when I saw all that unfold on 9/11. Not for a minute did I believe it were muslim hijackers coordinated by a cave dweller in Afghanistan. The first thing that popped in my mind was "this is an inside job" and it was waaaay before I was into all this conspiracy theory, UFO & Aliens etc etc etc stuff.
Very interested to see what comes out of this.

reply to post by hooper

The man said its a 100% an inside job,but gives no "secret whistleblower" info,no hard facts to back up his100% claim.Nothing tangible,but his credentials. The Iranian President claims the same thing also,but again has no facts to back it up. Credentials are meaningless,without hard proof. My personal belief is there a coverup,based on past Government cover ups,unfortunately I have no proof to back my claims,except past coverups.Its just my opinion.We all know what opinions are like......... There is a problem with the official story. Its coming from "officials".

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by hooper

 

The man said its a 100% an inside job,but gives no "secret whistleblower" info,no hard facts to back up his100% claim.Nothing tangible,but his credentials. The Iranian President claims the same thing also,but again has no facts to back it up. Credentials are meaningless,without hard proof. My personal belief is there a coverup,based on past Government cover ups,unfortunately I have no proof to back my claims,except past coverups.Its just my opinion.We all know what opinions are like.........

There is a problem with the official story. Its coming from "officials".

Granted, however, we don't even know about the credentials. Isn't hard to go on the internet, profess to be anything you want, quite frankly, and pontificate ad nausem about any subject.