1 Farm Attack a day since Zuma address.

Johannesburg - There has been about one farm attack per day in SA since President Jacob Zuma's state of the nation address on February 10, the Christian Democratic Party (CDP) said.

"The latest farm murder – that of Alberto Cota near Stellenbosch- brings the tally to at least five farm murders since President Jacob Zuma claimed a reduction in certain categories of crime during his State of the Nation address," said CDP leader Reverend Theunis Botha.

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Now for most of you who don't know.

Wikileaks- Farms Attacks South Africa

Genocide in South Africa


Now it's kind of hard not to get angry when you hear news like this. I don't blame the white folks living here when their anger is directed at black people seeing as they're the culprits behind these attacks.

All of this might seem foreign to the rest of you but take a second to imagine what it would be like to be living in a country where your life is threatened on a daily basis.Where your skin colour counts against you. I can't exclude the fact that these might be hate crimes. They're always gruesome, always done out of hate... there's no other explanation for it. These are hate crimes against the white people living in this country and nothing is getting done about it.

I'm tired of it.

It's become as clear as daylight these people hate us.

Now by saying we don't belong here and Africa is for Africans(black people) is total BS. If that's the case than Europe should be for White people and America for Native Americans. Yet it's not. I don't see how anyone can claim the country they live in when all of us share the same planet.

We have as much right to live here as anyone else and we have the right to security.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying all black people are the same. Black guy living in London or America is nothing like one living in Africa. I think the only thing they probably have in common is their skin colour... that's about it. That would be like saying Russians are like Americans or Germans. But they aren't. There's difference in culture and beliefs.

What I'm saying is that in South Africa there are groups of black people that have racist attitudes towards whites. They remind me of the KKK in America or some other supremacist group.

Just goes to show you racism can affect anyone, no matter what their race. Anyone is capable of hate.

But at some point we as the human race will have to grow up and move forward. We've come to far to still have idiots like these residing among us.

Unfortunately all this is like a cycle. Black guy says something racist about a white guy and, of course, the white guy returns the favour, and so the cycle of hate never gets broken. Just wish at some point we'll be able to see past these little differences, where we'll truly become colour blind, but the way things are looking now it seems like it's going to take a while.

the difference is that the average black person in europe or america live in poorer areas and smaller dwellings while the average white person in africa has a relatively big house and the ones who live in the country side often own lots of land that in many cases was taken from the black people in not so honest ways during the apartheid era.

Think the best example of what's taking place here is our neighbour Zimbabwe.

With their land claims they exiled and killed a lot of farmers. Saying it will be redistributed from white farmers to the previously disadvantaged black majority. Unfortunately as we all know Robert Mugabe had other agendas. These farms became waste lands. The only person who ever profited from these land claims was the Robert Mugabe.

That's why a lot of South Africans have been moving, still moving, away to other countries because they fear South Africa will become another Zimbabwe.

My friend,while reading this I had a thought, do these attacks seem organized,if so could there be an organization behind it trying to stir the pot so to speak,or are the attacks random in nature? As if some one gets pissed and attacks.I'm not sure why I have this feeling, but for some reason I feel like there is more here than meets the eye in as much as the attacks continue.Just a thought.

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O,and what's that? Justification for murder? Doesn't matter what the situation was a few years back. I'm sure there must be better solutions. Most of these farmers are more than willing to sell their farms to the government.

Violence is never the answer.

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I'm not really sure. I've thought the same thing. Back in the colonial years there was a Group called Uhuru. Their Objective was basically to kill out white people. I wouldn't be surprised if there was group behind it. Mean, they're never alone. There's always 7 or five of them in a group. I really don't know, but I think like a lot of people are trying to make sense of it.

Might be. Mean, there's a lot of weird things going on. Certain groups of white people have tried to arm themselves but the government always finds these caches. Than of course there's the story of Uhuru Guru. Was a guy who had a blog and was reporting on these farm attacks. Anyway,long story short, he got arrested by the police and mysteriously died in the police station. So... I can understand why people are getting paranoid about it.

That's what got me thinking that the government is behind these attacks. That its somehow a tool to stay in power. Just like they did in Zimbabwe.

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i never said that i agree with what they are doing but jelousy,hunger and hate can make some people do extreme things and these people where oppressed by a racist government until recently, and you expect them to forgive all in just a few years.
if the apartheid regime had educated the black population properly then there wouldnt be all these muti killings etc.... and the black population would understand more of other peoples feelings and morals.


my point in my last post was that the comparisons of whites in south africa with blacks in europe and the us were completely wide of the mark.

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Yes, I understand that there must still be some ill feelings toward us. So obviously they hate us. But a lot of young people here feel they don't deserve this kind of hate because they we not part of Apartheid. So what you have is a never ending cycle of hate. The new generations aren't being born with out these ideologies. At some point they start adopting it because they feel helpless or threatened. So there's always this barrier between White and Black.

So whether they like it or not. They will have to move on and get over their bitter feelings just like we did. That's fair, isn't it? Else SA will never move forward. One step forward and two steps back.

What's also happening is that politicians are inciting hate amongst blacks. So, they'll always keep voting the ANC into power. That's how you get people to follow cause. So they're keeping it alive.

Here's an example. The African National Congress Youth Leader's name is Julius Malema. You can go google this guy and I'm sure you'll get thousands racist statements he made. So, what they're doing is keeping the hate alive amongst youngsters.

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That's what got me thinking that the government is behind these attacks. That its somehow a tool to stay in power. Just like they did in Zimbabwe .

This was my thought as well.They see what Robert Mugabe did and think let's do that too, we will get rich and remove the whites at the same time.Really seems like a government racist agenda

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reply to post by lonegurkha


Yeah, and just like the Zimbabwean government the ANC is rotten with corruption. It hasn't come without any resistance. Even some of the poorer blacks living in shacks are waking up to this reality. That they're being fooled by the government who keeps playing on their emotional strings.

They haven't gotten the change they were promised. But I think that in order to keep people from realizing this they, the ANC, keeps blaming their negligence on whites. Saying... it's white peoples fault because they couldn't do this and this...ect ect.

It's the same thing the Nazis did. Blamed everything on the jews.

It's Not About Race. It's About The Evil Agenda Of Tyrannical Government

reply to post by SlovenlyGhost


I think you are absolutely correct.That is exactly what they are doing.guess you don't have to be white to be a fascist huh.It's always easier to blame some one who is innocent.Thing is they aren't just going to come out and admit that they are screwing the people."The people" want to believe that the black government is better than the previous white government,when in fact the opposite is true.

reply to post by lonegurkha


Thank you!

You have no idea how relieved I am that someone else realizes this.

The ANC is a corrupt party who'll go to any length to stay in power. They have spin doctors on all sides. Mean, people are so clueless because they keep concentrating on race instead of directing their anger towards a government that has failed them. It failed all of us. Black,White,Yellow and Brown. There's a lot of races living in this country and I can promise you whites aren't the only ones who feel this way. The coloureds, Asian, Indians... they all feel like they're being left out of the governments agenda.

There's been splits amongst the A.N.C. like COPE. Who most thought would be better alternative. The party was mostly black but people didn't care because COPE had the entire nation(Black,White,Yellow,you name it) in mind. Though, they vanished somehow and became silent. Now of course they have the DA(Democratic Alliance) as an opposition. But a lot of people are skeptical. Mean, the DA might end up having the same fate as COPE.

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Governments always have agenda's,it's just a matter of whether they are benevolant agenda's or not.Most are run by Power mongers who only care about themselves.There are still democratically elected tyrants.They always seem to find a way around the system to get their way and screw the people. I wrote this thread a while ago it sorta puts my idea of power mongers out there www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Agree with you.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Think the quote says a lot. Power doesn't discriminate and it always corrupts its victims.

the DA might end up having the same fate as COPE.

They will if they do not learn from the lessons. I am in Australia and heard many stories from SA over the years, it does sound like a very troubled and rough place. The indications of government endorsed systematic attacks is very concerning. As for the government being spin doctors it does sound like they have learnt their lessons well from our western counterparts. I do not approve of it, but it does go on. I do admire your commitment towards a peaceful solution for the nation. Unfortunately strength is going to be needed to challenge the established authority, Africa has a culture of this. A strong security component is going to be needed to preempt and guard against likely assaults as the party builds in power. There is a lot of technology available, but it does take a lot of resources and support to implement and manage. Politics can be a very dirty and dangerous game in many parts of the world. The UN is gradually building to help manage the election and governance issues but still has more work to go. It will be unfortunate if SA does go the way of Zimbabwe with cultural cleansing and civil war resulting with a subsequent decline in infrastructure and standing.

Another idea I have had to help deal with a lot of leadership issues in Africa is a high council of African elders. Made up of past heads of state, together they can help keep the younger leaders in line. While they may have no authority over any military forces, together they can act as a rally point if a situation escalates within a nation. I can also see this council assisting with some of the bigger issues that affect Africa with their networks of contacts and understanding of the land.

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Thanks for replying.

Yes, I've had this feeling that it will inevitably come down to force. Even if the DA wins an election I think the ANC will some how create a civil war. It's become power hungry. And they've become exceptionally good at clinging to power. They've been in business for the last 16 or more years and have had enough time to get their roots in the ground.

You might be right. Maybe a revolution is the only answer.

Thing is we'd have to become extremely smart. There's been a lot of attempts made by various groups though the government always seems to be a step ahead. Bloggers have gone missing, people have been wrongfully accused of participating in right wing groups or planning coups.

Even the right wing leader of the AWB( Afrikaner Resistance Movement) has been murdered. Though they claim it was because of dispute between him and his farm workers some believe its foul play. That the government was involved in it.

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Maybe a revolution is the only answer.

If it comes down to this the military is going to have the final say, a lot is going to be lost in a civil war. I know a lot of African leaders do have trouble releasing power, I do consider their cultural heritage as part of the reason for this. This is why I am advocating for a council of elders where these leaders can ascend once they have served their nation and not feel like getting humiliated or what it is that creates the difficulty to step down, addiction to power maybe?

The defence of the key personnel is the most important. Establishing support within the military, police and other public sectors is also going to be needed. By the sounds of it, parts of these organisations have already made their allegiances, parts will still be open to new ideas. Reporters without boarders en.rsf.org... has some good tools and tips to aid with anonymity online. The ISP is also a weak point for a lot of security measures, so setting up a trusted ISP will be important. With the Chinese and Indians also feeling persecuted there can be a lot of tools and support there, building a united international front will provide a lot of strength. It will show that multiculturalism does work and bring aid with a lot of international pressure.

To be realistic, there will likely be some butting of heads along the way. Hold the line with self defence in the immediate life threatening situations as much as you can and it will not get too far out of hand. Video and sound record as much as you can to help prove and justify what happens along the way, I know there are lots of issues with all this big brother camera stuff, but when your ass is on the line it is something to think about. Having media outlets in other countries to quickly pass files can help with backups and getting the story out.

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You have a good idea.

But it will take time. The process of uniting people has already started. They're trying to gain support for the Democratic Alliance and in so they've united quite a couple of different races under a new banner.

It's a safer option other than trying to start a new group of your own and risking getting eaten by ANC. So for now we'll gamble our chances on the DA. They've done well so far at keeping the ANC dogs at bay. Guys like Julius Malema who is notorious for trying to discredit them. Unfortunately for him the DA isn't stupid.

But if worse comes to worse I guess we'll have no other option than your idea of revolution. If indeed the DA becomes just another flash in the pan and these criminals still go on doing these horrible acts of violence we'll have to make some hard choices. If things start going Zimbabwe's way.

Uniting a country is difficult. Cause everyone is looking out for his own. But I think if things turn out that way people will be more willing to join up for cause.

I'm going to keep your idea in my pocket for now. I've bookmarked that link for some further reading later.

And I'm definitely going to keep my eyes pealed for corruption and any form of racism from these guys. So far there's more than enough evidence to prove my point but the more you have the stronger your case.

Though, I wouldn't be too worried. One of the US embassy cables reported that the ANC is a complete mess. There's a lot of inner conflict amongst the party itself.

I quote- " 'The younger cadres have no interest in the history of the ANC. They want access to jobs and personal enrichment.'

"Worse than the lack of interest in history, [Ntuli] claimed, is that they will not listen to, or respect senior officials."

They're split amongst Mbeki and Zuma( Our current president) supporters.

I see them crumbling in the near future but it's hard to tell. U never know what spin they'll put on things to regain power. They're power hungry and they'll do anything. Especially Zuma's dog Juluis Malema. This guy is stupid enough to cause a civil war. He has no respect for the senior officials. He's what you call the younger generation. He even called for the nationalization of mines. Which will cripple our economy.

As for a secure ISP , that's pretty difficult. The government has a lot of shares in Telkom and Telkom has most of the monopoly in the country.

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As for a secure ISP , that's pretty difficult. The government has a lot of shares in Telkom and Telkom has most of the monopoly in the country.

Having friends in Telkom and the media will also help. I am sure there would be someone in the party who knows someone to help with the communication security.