End of the Tank Age?, page 4

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 11:22 AM

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yeah it will shatter the slug but will leave a massive exit hole likely to make the armour very weak.
also put it on fully auto or put an exsplosive charge in the slug and wow spaced plates or not it will destroy the tank.

psteel

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by devilwasp
yeah it will shatter the slug but will leave a massive exit hole likely to make the armour very weak.
also put it on fully auto or put an exsplosive charge in the slug and wow spaced plates or not it will destroy the tank.

Fully auto!! thats a joke right?

The biggest problem with railguns is the recharge capacity . It takes 60 seconds with the best technology capacitors , so thats a round every 60 seconds????.... and that assumes the electricity supply is not being diverted to the electric drive or electric armor or sensors , in which case recharge will take alot longer than 60 seconds

Maybe you can install 6 capacitors in a row and fire off several shots in a fire fight [keeping one or two in reserve], then it will take another 3-5 minutes to recharge the spent capacitors.

The tankers would have to comment on the viability of such limitations?

devilwasp

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by psteel

Fully auto!! thats a joke right?

The biggest problem with railguns is the recharge capacity . It takes 60 seconds with the best technology capacitors , so thats a round every 60 seconds????.... and that assumes the electricity supply is not being diverted to the electric drive or electric armor or sensors , in which case recharge will take alot longer than 60 seconds

Maybe you can install 6 capacitors in a row and fire off several shots in a fire fight [keeping one or two in reserve], then it will take another 3-5 minutes to recharge the spent capacitors.

The tankers would have to comment on the viability of such limitations?

actually............ yeah ur right fully auto doesnt seem possible.
can i ask what u on about electronic armour?
i can understand the drive thingy and sensors but armour?
also if u had 6 ones fireing then u could have in theory one fireing,2 one charge,one ready to fire and 2 in reserve if you done it right.
also couple this with the high exsplosive charge then u have a good weapon.

E_T

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by devilwasp
can i ask what u on about electronic armour?

This:
The new electric armour is made up of a highly-charged capacitor that is connected to two separate metal plates on the tank's exterior. The outer plate, which is bullet-proof and made from an unspecified alloy, is earthed while the insulated inner plate is live.

The electric armour runs off the tank's own power supply. When the tank commander feels he is in a dangerous area, he simply switches on the current to the inner plate.

When the warhead fires its jet of molten copper, it penetrates both the outer plate and the insulation of the inner plate. This makes a connection and thousands of amps of electricity vaporises most of the molten copper. The rest of the copper is dispersed harmlessly against the vehicle's hull.

But despite the high charge, the electrical load on the battery is no more than that caused by starting the engine on a cold morning.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

www.globalsecurity.org...

CookieMonster000

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kozzy
Get off this EMP crap, the chance of it actually being used in the real world is unlikely.

unlikely? are you serious? once that electromagnetic gun is issued into armies there are surely going to be emp detonators to be issued also just to trash those tanks because they are a big risk

Gazrok

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:35 PM

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The tank is only going to die when we are piloting mechs on the battlefield, hehe....and maybe not even quite then....

FredT

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by E_T
The new electric armour is made up of a highly-charged capacitor that is connected to two separate metal plates on the tank's exterior. The outer plate, which is bullet-proof and made from an unspecified alloy, is earthed while the insulated inner plate is live.

Sounds interesting. Too bad it does not work on long rod penatrators. That would be quite a feat.

Kozzy

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000

Originally posted by Kozzy
Get off this EMP crap, the chance of it actually being used in the real world is unlikely.

unlikely? are you serious? once that electromagnetic gun is issued into armies there are surely going to be emp detonators to be issued also just to trash those tanks because they are a big risk

EMP bombs are harder to make then nukes...

Kozzy

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000

Originally posted by Kozzy
Get off this EMP crap, the chance of it actually being used in the real world is unlikely.

unlikely? are you serious? once that electromagnetic gun is issued into armies there are surely going to be emp detonators to be issued also just to trash those tanks because they are a big risk

EMP bombs are harder to make then nukes...

Kozzy

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000

Originally posted by Kozzy
Get off this EMP crap, the chance of it actually being used in the real world is unlikely.

unlikely? are you serious? once that electromagnetic gun is issued into armies there are surely going to be emp detonators to be issued also just to trash those tanks because they are a big risk

EMP bombs are harder to make then nukes...

devilwasp

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 05:36 PM
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yes and?
an ICBM is more dificult to make than a tomohawk but both can do the same job.

CookieMonster000

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 05:50 PM
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i read on another thread that nukes can cause emp's so in that case just make smaller versions of them and fire them at those electric tanks

devilwasp

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:01 PM
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yeah they do its part of the fallout.
but frankly fireing small nukes at tanks will leave a BIT of fallout.

Kozzy

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster000
i read on another thread that nukes can cause emp's so in that case just make smaller versions of them and fire them at those electric tanks

Nukes would tend to vaporize the tanks as well...while giving your forces radiation poisoning and EMPing you too.

WestPoint23

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 07:36 PM
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A nuke is a nuke and if you're in range to fire it at another tank your in range to die from the blast or get radiation on you so its not practical for a battlefield. Until we can make real EMP without another side affects except the destruction of electronic equipments. So until you can make a true EMP bomb nukes aren't practical.

psteel

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 07:51 PM
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Electric armor is already here and will probably be part of FCS...infact that is one of the most promising techs...It actually vaporised a RPG-7 warhead on the side impact on a Spartan type AFV, so it does work!

Railguns power requirements are so above current capability you'd have to divert all power from drive systems etc to recharge so the tank would be a sitting duck for as long as it charges. THere are also serious questions as to if such electrical systems can be made to survive shock enough to be useable in real battlefield?

Since shaped charge jet is just a mechanically weak copper APFSDS withouf the fin & sabot , then its only a matter of power to vaporize the tip of a WHA APFSDS rod?

Kozzy

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 08:35 PM
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The probably with vaporizing APFSDS rounds is the fact that they are either solid tungsten or DU, because they are solid and not molten, they're much harder to mess with. Also, tungsten and DU aren't nearly as conductive as Copper.

That's the catch with this electric armor, using a non-conductive material in shaped charge will render electric armor useless and a drain of power.

psteel

posted on Jul, 28 2004 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kozzy
The probably with vaporizing APFSDS rounds is the fact that they are either solid tungsten or DU, because they are solid and not molten, they're much harder to mess with. Also, tungsten and DU aren't nearly as conductive as Copper.

That's the catch with this electric armor, using a non-conductive material in shaped charge will render electric armor useless and a drain of power.

The jet is not molten its not even that high a temperature [400-500�C]. The copper acts under massive pressure and behaves kind of like a liquid. THere are other alternatives like Aluminum and tungsten or DU liners. Not only woud these be less effected by Electric armor, they are also less effected by traditional ceramic steel layered armor too.

FredT

posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kozzy
Nukes would tend to vaporize the tanks as well...while giving your forces radiation poisoning and EMPing you too.

Not if you used a neutron bomb. Less fallout and the radiation will dispate somewhat faster. Not fast enought to allow you to enter the area unprotected though.

SpockO_o

posted on Jul, 29 2004 @ 12:35 AM
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As long as we keep the Humvees im fine