Christian Missionaries And Their Obsession With Conversion.

reply to post by MentorsRiddle




Your words are very strange. The Op presented evidence that Christians MURDERED people and forced them to convert, and all you could do is blame Islam for what a few nuts do.

He presents evidence of your own cultures hypocrisy and brutality and you don’t want to accept it.

It is proven that European Christians would send in the missionaries followed by the armies in Africa as they enslaved Africans and annihilated Native Americans.

The fact is that the arrival of Christian Europe was a holocaust for Native Americans and millions of Africana and Asians.

That’s the history accept it.

It could be worse. They could be going around intimidating you by hacking your head off, brain washing your children to be suicide bombers, and teaching you to kill anyone who doesn't believe in you faith.

reply to post by Violater1


Or raping thousands of children. Enslaving your populace [ africa] and murdering native Americans.[ America]
Or stealing money in the name of God, like protestant preachers all over America.

Christianity killed 1000 times more people than Islam and any other ideology in history

Originally posted by vinay86

Haiti Detains Missionaries for Child Trafficking

Ten Baptist missionaries from the U.S. have been arrested in Haiti after attempting to transport 33 Haitian children across the border to a temporary shelter in the Dominican Republic.

The missionaries, who claim they were trying to help the children, admitted they did not have the proper paperwork. Now the group is waiting behind bars for a Monday hearing that will determine whether they will be tried on child trafficking charges.

CBN

This is dishonest reactionary BS. Proselytizing is a part of the Christian religion. You just don't like Christianity, admit it. Missionaries are doing more for third world countries than all of the secular aid groups combined. No one is forced to accept Christianity, but many do out of gratitude.

What I really take issue with is this news article. Those missionaries were trying to help those kids and got screwed over by red tape.

Originally posted by vinay86
This happened in 2008 in India....

Radical Hindus attack Christians over "forced conversions"

New Delhi - Communal tensions are on the rise in eastern India as radical Hindus in the state of Orissa have torched hundreds of churches and Christian homes since late August.
As in past confrontations in recent years, the violence between Hindus and Christians has centred in Orissa's Kandhamal district. Kandhamal lies in a remote mountainous region in the heart of Orissa, some 200 kilometres west of the state capital Bhubaneshwar. The district, home to some 600,000 people, is among India's poorest.
The majority of the population belongs to India's indigenous people that calls itself 'Adivasi,' which translates as 'first inhabitants.' The Adivasi maintain their own cultural identity and traditionally are animists, believing in nature spirits. But over the past few decades, tens of thousands of Adivasi converted to Christianity, mainly because many Christian aid organizations operating in the region were not only building schools and hospitals for the impoverished tribes people, but also brought their religion.
Today, almost a quarter of Kandhamal's population is Christian. The national proportion of Christians is only slightly over 2 per cent. Fundamentalist organizations like the Hindu World Council, or Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), have accused Christian aid workers of engaging in missionary work in the tribal areas. The VHP claim the aid workers routinely demand conversion to Christianity from the people in exchange for material assistance.

Source.
This is what missionaries do, spreading hatred between people and igniting violence. Forced conversions does not means conversion at gunpoint, it is about compelling a person to convert against his free will.

edit on 18/2/11 by vinay86 because: (no reason given)

Oh, look, more BS. It would seem to me as though it was Hindu intolerance that lead to the massacre of Christians! "The VHP claim the aid workers routinely demand conversion to Christianity from the people in exchange for material assistance" The VHP is a "fundamentalist" Hindi organization who seems to be making apologies for the Hindu murders of Christians.

reply to post by kallisti36


Its Christian countries that enslaved and colonized the natives of the third world countries in the first place that made the poverty and disease that the religious jackals of Christianity are taking advantage of .

You need to tell all the truth about why those countries are so poor in the first place.

reply to post by vinay86


Can you provide proof that Christian missionaries are refusing anyone who doesn't convert? I look at your thread and all you showed were people trying to traffic kids out of a country which can't possibly support them. Many people in fact have to give up their children abroad or risk them suffering the same consequences as them.

Sometimes the stories don't add up.

reply to post by Lucifer777

The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that the "Jesus" business is a multi-billion dollar business, and that the religion business yields not only the highest profit margin of any business (since they are selling no-thing) but also that it requires little or no Capital investment to set up since there are no tangible products to sell, and thus it is an ideal business in the impoverished Third World where innocents are ripe for exploitation.

I have heard Western Christians argue that such African and Third World Christians who prey on the poor and the vulnerable are not "true" Christians, but this is simply not the case. Part of the problem is that the Christian image of a perfect man (i.e., Jesus) is a model of a religious shizophrenic, a fake miracle worker and an exorcist.

Thanks, I agree with you on everything you have said, the whole jesus business is a multi-billion dollor business based on forgery, deception and exploitation. They are selling nothing here but the lies, that's why they are making the highest profits. Now, I got it, the reason behind their obsession with conversions is simply they are profit hungry, and they can do anything to earn it. Some, western Christians do not believe that their beloved missionaries are exploiting people world over, all of them have these false preconceived notions about Christianity that it is fair and pious, that's why they never even try to investigate what horrendous acts they are committing in other countries.
Thanks for sharing that documentary, it is really very eye opening. Labelling people as witches or being possessed is very disturbing:

Originally posted by kallisti36
Oh, look, more BS. It would seem to me as though it was Hindu intolerance that lead to the massacre of Christians! "The VHP claim the aid workers routinely demand conversion to Christianity from the people in exchange for material assistance" The VHP is a "fundamentalist" Hindi organization who seems to be making apologies for the Hindu murders of Christians.

You obviously don't have any idea who these people really are. They are the only one who are defending our culture and traditions from total annihilation by christian terrorists who are hungry for profit and power.

Baptist Church Backs Terrorism in North-East India

There is clear evidence which confirms that some international
Christian organizations are backing terrorism and separatist movements
in India's North-east. These church backed organizations are providing
funds, arms and ammunitions with the aim of creating a separate
Christian state.

Tripura

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was founded in
December 1989. Since its inception the NLFT has been engaged in an
armed struggle to carve out a separate Christian nation - Tripura. The
backing of the Baptist church right from the beginning has enabled
this organization to spread its base. Due to its terrorist activities,
the organization was banned by the government in 1997 but it continued
its operations from across the Bangladesh border.

The priests of the Baptist church supply arms and ammunitions to these
terrorist rebels. Nagmanlal Halam, the secretary of the Noapara
Baptist Church in Tripura was arrested by CRPF in April 2000 on
charges of aiding insurgents and possessing a large quantity of
explosives including 60 gelatin sticks, 5kg of potassium, 2kg of
sulphur and other ingredients for making powerful bombs. Two junior
members of the same church, who had been arrested earlier tipped the
police off about the explosives which were meant for terrorist
organizations like the NLFT. Mr. Halam confessed to buying and
supplying explosives to the NLFT. Another church official, Jatna
Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in
guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base.

It is now apparent that the pattern of forced conversions at gunpoint
are irrefutably linked to the Baptist Church in Tripura. The NLFT is
accused of forcing Tripura's indigenous tribes to become Christians
and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control.

Source.

reply to post by vinay86


Do you happen to be Hindu? Just curious.

Can you at least admit that missionaries do a lot of good too? I can understand people being upset by underhanded conversion tactics, but you have to understand that this isn't always the case, nor is it sanctioned by the Bible. Christians are commanded to proselytize, but never force.

Matthew 10:7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Basically what this means is that Christians are commanded to spread the word to everyone that will hear. If a person will not hear the gospel, then it is their problem and they are no longer our responsibility. To understand the Judeo-Christian concept of responsibility:

Ezekiel3:17"Son of man, I have appointed you a (P)watchman to the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from My mouth, (Q)warn them from Me. 18"When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his (R)blood I will require at your hand. 19"Yet if you have (S)warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have (T)delivered yourself. 20"Again, (U)when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an (V)obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21"However, if you have (W)warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

When it says, "his blood I will require at your hand" it doesn't mean kill, it means that the blood of those not warned that could have been saved is on the hands of he who had the power to warn.

So, Christians are commanded to spread the word as a part of the religion. Yes, missionaries have stooped to reprehensible levels, but in so doing were not being proper Christians.

If Hinduism disappears (and having some billion adherents isn't in much danger) it will be because the people chose to abandon it. Anyways, if you happen to be Hindu, don't you have faith that your gods will preserve your religion?

reply to post by inforeal

Christianity killed 1000 times more people than Islam and any other ideology in history.

That is absolutely correct, right from the old history to the present day, christian fundamentalists with their vile ideologies of conversion, ethnic cleansing and imposition of their belief systems have perpetrated religion-based violence on innocent people as well as mass murder of billions of people across the globe. They have teemed up with Freemasons and are in direct control of governments around the world, whether first world or third world, people are oppressed everywhere in different ways.
They are the ones who are the developers of weapons of mass destruction, they have been behind killings of people in their as well as foreign lands. They are the one who are deceiving people to believe Islam is behind every terrorist activity, they are the one behind the false flag attacks in their own countries.
It is just their manipulation tactic to blame Islam for everything, but in actual they are ones who are funding terrorism.

VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob.

Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.

Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany.

Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered.

15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown.

after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed.

Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ".

Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings.

1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee.

Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
and the list goes on......

Read more.

reply to post by kallisti36

Do you happen to be Hindu? Just curious. Can you at least admit that missionaries do a lot of good too? I can understand people being upset by underhanded conversion tactics, but you have to understand that this isn't always the case, nor is it sanctioned by the Bible. Christians are commanded to proselytize, but never force.

Yes some missionaries might be doing some good humanitarian work, and a majority of it is only limited to rich first world countries like US, UK, Europe etc. mainly to earn their loyalty and support in the form of donations, and keeping them in deception about the heinous acts they are committing in the rest of the world. And if you want to truly understand the intentions of an organization, you have to look at it with a wide perspective. And the same goes for freemasonry, which is being run by orthodox Christians and monarchs.

It doesn't matter what religious label a person adheres to, If a religion is being used for exploitation and manipulation of people than it should be condemned immediately as it is against humanity. There are good and bad elements in every religion, all of them started with great teachings which were taken form culture, traditions, folk arts and nature. But as time passed, those original teachings were modified and new malign concepts were added to them. Some of those malign concepts include heaven and hell, god being a separate entity and you have to pray/beg to him for material comforts etc.

Take Hinduism you have seen people praying to various deities as people pray to Jesus in Christianity, and still there are some pure concepts taken from cultural beliefs in Hinduism in which god is described as intrinsically present in everything including nature, animals and human beings, the underlying beautiful fact here is "nature is god and you are nature." This implies we are all gods and because we have separated ourselves from nature and cultural values because of our belief systems, we are no longer able to realize that fact, and such beliefs can be found in many indigenous culture everywhere in the world . The religions in which teachings like these are present are more pure than other religions but they are not the purest.

So, I do not follow any religion, but I live my life on the core belief systems based on nature and unity, preached by our ancestors, culture, and traditions which are unfortunately dying these days because of some influences and christian missionaries are one of the reason behind it.

reply to post by kallisti36


You wrote:

["Can you at least admit that missionaries do a lot of good too? I can understand people being upset by underhanded conversion tactics, but you have to understand that this isn't always the case, nor is it sanctioned by the Bible. Christians are commanded to proselytize, but never force."]

Considering the amount of brutality committed in the name of your 'peace-loving prince', then maybe your holy manual is worthless, if its faithful readers get the message so skewed.

Quote: ["So, Christians are commanded to spread the word as a part of the religion. Yes, missionaries have stooped to reprehensible levels, but in so doing were not being proper Christians."]

And now we go on to the spiel about these genocidal psychos not being 'true' christians. Maybe YOU are a 'true' christian then; a claim I've seen from practically all christian directions here on ATS, with different christianities being in each others hair.

Quote: ["If Hinduism disappears (and having some billion adherents isn't in much danger) it will be because the people chose to abandon it."]

Or is being enforced, bribed or manipulated.

Quote: ["Anyways, if you happen to be Hindu, don't you have faith that your gods will preserve your religion?"]

That's a strange statement from a person belonging to a dying christianity.

reply to post by kallisti36


Yes, isn't it nice that the Church accidentally did some good? That sure makes up for the invasive, cruel and barbaric treatment that they give all people of the world!

reply to post by vinay86


I watched the whole documentary on the Nigerian children it was very hard to watch and made me both sad and angry at what a misguided belief is capable of. The documentary mentioned a propaganda film that is put out by the evangelical church that is causing parents to abandon and abuse their children.
The film seems so cheesy that it is laughable except the abuse of children that is a result of this film is anything but laughable.

Originally posted by ELahrairah
reply to post by vinay86

 

I watched the whole documentary on the Nigerian children it was very hard to watch and made me both sad and angry at what a misguided belief is capable of. The documentary mentioned a propaganda film that is put out by the evangelical church that is causing parents to abandon and abuse their children.

Thanks for posting and sharing that video, such kind of cheesy films are best tools for manipulating belief systems of people, such fake stories about witches and demons easily gets implanted in the minds of people, and showing them as TV films can make them look real for some who have never seen a film before.
People in the cities are becoming less interested in religions, and we are seeing more atheists around the world. And If we denounce all religions, than I think many problems like violence, wars, hatred etc. would vanish from the world.

Uplifting Survey: Religion Declining Across USA!

reply to post by vinay86


Your statements are not always true.

How much missionary work have you done?

I have participated in several missionary trips outside the USA.

We did not do any of the horrible things you accuse us of.

The people came to our dental and medical clinics we set up in the jungels and got the medicine or had teeth pulled before we gave them a Bible writen in their language.

We received donations from major medicine produucers and also wearing apperal which we freely gave without making anyone convert.

Each night we would have bible school for the children and a service for the adults.

No one was forced to attend these services to get help. Everything was free for the taking.

We gave our services at great costs to us. Some of our new people had such bad culture shock we had to have them flown home to the USA.
Others became ill and most all of us received some type of injury while on our trips,

Every American needs to do at least one mission trip in their lives.
It is the biggest eye opener I've ever had.

reply to post by dizziedame


American missionaries have generally been, according to my research, among the least offensive of all missionary groups. I postulate that it's because of the specific values ingrained in the American psyche, specifically freedom of religion and conscience. However, your experience does not cover all mission work, not even all American mission work. These abuses do seem to occur around the world, and evidently some baptist missions are backing terrorism in NE India.

You are right. Main purpose of christian missions is gaining power over the masses. But not only Christianity does this. This is the root of all religions!
We have to separate religion from philosophy and from magical practices, too.
Philosophies' goal is clear and rational(ized) thinking.
Magic is a tool of achieving some goals in a non-phisical way.
But religion is mere indoctrination! It's not about truth, it is about control: it forms people's mind servile and altruistic, to establish the financial and spiritual dominance of the upper class(es). Altough every religion includes elements of the spiritual truth, it should not be considered as their benevolent intention: it's an applied strategy in politics, that leaders mix lies with true elements- because no one would beleive a 100% fiction...So we can say, that religion is just a subtle level of politics! (Esoteric groups and philosophers can be corrupt and indoctrinative, too, in order to gain money or power, but they cannot do it so rudely as religions, as they are based on thinking and capabilities, not pure naive belief.)
There are several religions according to the culture and mentality of different lands, but they all persecuted shamanism- Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism in Asia, Christianity in Europe and America. Why? Shamanism is the pure, natural approach of mental and psychic powers, free from political indoctrination. That's why brainwashers don't like them. Today is hard to find true shamanism, only natives of remote areas- in Amazonia, Siberia, etc-practice the clearest form. New age groups use some techniques but they are manipulative- so unclear.
Final conclusion? What can we accept?
1. Science (it's based on experiments...)
2. Our own experiences
3. Untouched, tribal shamanism- if sources are available...
4. CAREFULLY SELECTED philosophers/ esoteric groups