Wisconsin Protests and Web Bot "HOLE Incident" (edited for brevity)

This is my first thread here on ATS. Just posted this on my blog as well (see here for full: rv-prep-end-of-days.blogspot.com...) but feel it's important to get out to everyone fast. I know how many feel about the web bots - please keep the criticism constructive and don't just "flame" for the sake of "flaming". If this is a web bot hit, it's a big one.

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It's been developing for a few days now, but sort of "in the background". ... Firstly, let's get an idea of what's going on and how this all started.

The story goes like this: The federal government in the US is broke. Nearly every state government in the US is broke. ... Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker knows this and proposed a bill that would help fill in the $137 million "hole in the state budget" this year and the $3.2 billion "hole" by mid-2013, which sounds like a good idea. ... Yet, we see this:



So why in bloody hell are these people protesting? Are they not willing to help get their own state back on track, reigning in the irresponsible spending practices and criminal underfunding that's been taking place for years?

Now, this is where the Governor of Wisconsin overstepped. His bill aims to remove basically all the public employee rights to collective bargaining. That means unions would lose the right to negotiate on issues like working hours, training, health and safety, or overtime. The bill does allow unions the right to use collective bargaining on matters of wages/salary, but otherwise strips away the power of unions to do much of anything constructive.

That's why people in Wisconsin started protesting. The fact that the Governor then overstepped again, threatening the use of the National Guard to break up the protests, just adds fuel to the fire.

Yeah, now we're starting to see the bigger picture. Basically threatening the use of force to stop peaceful protests over controversial legislation. No wonder this is becoming front page news!

Now, on to the seriously freaky web bot connection, which caused me to write this post.

This is from the Shape Of Things To Come report released in January (emphasis added):

on page 3: "The reader needs to be advised that *some* texts within this report will point to specific instances of upcoming violent events without providing additional descriptors of the event, though peripheral elements not germane but pertinent may well be provided. Got that? When you see an obvious 'hole' in the text, there is a good reason for it to be there."

on page 31: "The [destruction of civil life] sub set contains repeated references to [civil unrest] and [riots], as well as [armed insurrection]. This last is cross linked extensively to the TPTW and Markets entities. Within the [destruction of civil life] sub set are the previously described (in past ALTA reports) instances of [mob action] that results in the [burning alive] of [minions] and ['power elites'] and their [families]. The HOLE incident will act as a [spark] to [spreading contagion] [ednote: from the words to-be-used by the political minions] that is indicated to [start a riot] in an [urban area (north of DC)] that will itself [spread like fire]. The data sets are showing a lot of support for the [riots] sub set through Spring and Summer, but the [mother of all riots] does not appear within our data sets until later in HOLE."

and on page 43: "The SpaceGoatFarts entity also has some hints that the aware observer should keep a wary eye out for the appearance of the [planet-terran society] in 2011. This [group of planet-terrans] will be worth watching. The effective temporal markers include the [aftermath] of some [riots (in usofa, east coast, likely Spring)] that will [unleash (big) stink (across the nation]]. Note HOLE"

Welcome to the "Budget Hole" people. Holy freaking crap, it has begun. If this is right, it looks like the National Guard will be used...and the people aren't gonna like that one bit. Time to hunker down with your pie/popcorn and order that shortwave radio you've had on your need-to-get prep list for the last two years.

The Governor stuck his neck out and the road to recall or impeachment will start soon. That's why our protests are generally nonviolent but you can't convince Gifford of this ever. Goodbye Gov and thanks for serving for a few years. My best

Originally posted by airforce47
The Governor stuck his neck out and the road to recall or impeachment will start soon. That's why our protests are generally nonviolent but you can't convince Gifford of this ever. Goodbye Gov and thanks for serving for a few years. My best

The scary part is if he carries through and orders the National Guard to break up the protests. Thousands of peaceful protesters - teachers and students no less - being manhandled by the national guard.. I shudder at the thought of what will happen within hours of that going down

Government unions should never have been allowed. Employment contracts with public service unions are a large part of what is bankrupting many cities and states now. They need to be dissolved at all levels of government. Unions in private employ are a whole different ball of wax. Though they did contribute to the killing of the goose here in the states, they did not do so alone.

As for the demonstrations, the people have the right and duty to express their displeasure. They have the right to peacefully assemble. The governor should be removed and jailed in my opinion for threatening the use of force against these demonstrators. I hope the national guard troops and officers tell the governor to take a flying leap.

Originally posted by flyingdog

The scary part is if he carries through and orders the National Guard to break up the protests. Thousands of peaceful protesters - teachers and students no less - being manhandled by the national guard.. I shudder at the thought of what will happen within hours of that going down

I hope that if it does happen, it will be the spark that brings all Americans to their feet in demand of change.

good for the govener, brake up those greedy unions that take the taxes from the poor and working class to feed there cadilac plans and inslave us to there union debts

i just saw this exact thread on glp with the exact same wording.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Government unions should never have been allowed. Employment contracts with public service unions are a large part of what is bankrupting many cities and states now. They need to be dissolved at all levels of government. Unions in private employ are a whole different ball of wax. Though they did contribute to the killing of the goose here in the states, they did not do so alone.

As for the demonstrations, the people have the right and duty to express their displeasure. They have the right to peacefully assemble. The governor should be removed and jailed in my opinion for threatening the use of force against these demonstrators. I hope the national guard troops and officers tell the governor to take a flying leap.

Completely agree with you on both points. It's outrageous what he pulled - stepped way outside bounds threatening force on peaceful demonstrators. Meanwhile, not even the Obama-nation in office has said a word anger about that threat. If that doesn't tell the American people what the gov't thinks of them, I don't know what will

Originally posted by crimsonninja
i just saw this exact thread on glp with the exact same wording.

Yeah - posted both places.. I find ATS a much more level-headed forum where things don't simply devolve into running around screaming doom, but know how much traffic GLP gets... I want this info out to as many people as possible as a "just in case I'm right". If this is about to go down, and we're seeing the start of it now, everyone needs to know

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ok i just verified it there also he said the same thing

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this is really really bad. i know we are still thinking about egypt, and now israel and iran situation. but wisconsin is going to be a huge (already is) debacle in which no side really wins. we are going to be seeing mass demonstrations and people just like you and me being arrested because they won't move from their positions. governor is going to call out the nat'l guard? using a hammer instead of something softer will only exacerbate the situs. superbowl winners aside, wisconsin may end up being the watch word all year long. this domestic situation really scares me. its more than just anti-union, or anti-obama, or anti-republicans. it has more to do with "we are going to forcefully do this, what are you going to do about it". i hope coverage is fair on this forum, cause no one is going to win. very saddened by this whole course of events.

Originally posted by flyingdog

Originally posted by airforce47
The Governor stuck his neck out and the road to recall or impeachment will start soon. That's why our protests are generally nonviolent but you can't convince Gifford of this ever. Goodbye Gov and thanks for serving for a few years. My best

The scary part is if he carries through and orders the National Guard to break up the protests. Thousands of peaceful protesters - teachers and students no less - being manhandled by the national guard.. I shudder at the thought of what will happen within hours of that going down

I'm sorry, but when you refer to "orders the National Guard to break up the protests" are you refering to the WNG being on call to fill in for critical workers if they go on strike?

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Government unions should never have been allowed. Employment contracts with public service unions are a large part of what is bankrupting many cities and states now. They need to be dissolved at all levels of government. Unions in private employ are a whole different ball of wax. Though they did contribute to the killing of the goose here in the states, they did not do so alone.

As for the demonstrations, the people have the right and duty to express their displeasure. They have the right to peacefully assemble. The governor should be removed and jailed in my opinion for threatening the use of force against these demonstrators. I hope the national guard troops and officers tell the governor to take a flying leap.

Good to see so many people buying into the unions propaganda.

There never was a threat to use the WNG for anything other than filling in for critical worker shortages if they were to strike at places like prisons.

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yep - definitely me over there too. Thanks for checking on that, btw

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It's terrifying what this could turn in to - you're right...it's a potentially very sad situation. I've always thought that it would take a major incident to cause any "revolution" in this country, and this could end up being it. What else really scares me is the fact that, as I looked into the astrology of the current US saturn return, I saw a major issue brewing around Feb 14 that would come to a head around the March equinox when the second transit of the saturn return takes place. To me, that "head" looked like a "human rights violation" issue with the US government basically being put on trial along with potentially violent protests, etc. It would start with protests on or around the 14th and possibly come to be referred to as "the Valentines Day Protests". I wrote all that stuff back in January and automatically linked it in my mind to the stuff going on in the middle east.

I mean, think about how crazy it sounds - protests in Madison Wisconsin in FEBRUARY...should be freezing there, yet today it was in the upper 40s throughout the area! Who the hell could have predicted that would happen?

Originally posted by SirMike

Originally posted by flyingdog

Originally posted by airforce47
The Governor stuck his neck out and the road to recall or impeachment will start soon. That's why our protests are generally nonviolent but you can't convince Gifford of this ever. Goodbye Gov and thanks for serving for a few years. My best

The scary part is if he carries through and orders the National Guard to break up the protests. Thousands of peaceful protesters - teachers and students no less - being manhandled by the national guard.. I shudder at the thought of what will happen within hours of that going down

I'm sorry, but when you refer to "orders the National Guard to break up the protests" are you referring to the WNG being on call to fill in for critical workers if they go on strike?

Yeah - it does seem harmless on the surface - here's a link to an article about how it's a misconception to think they're being called in to "keep protesters in line":
host.madison.com...

Keep in mind, however, that it's a very slippery slope. The spin is that they'd only need to be used to help protect prisons if corrections officers decided to protest...the truth is the police and firefighters are already out standing with the protesters, creating a potential that they'll be needed for ordinary policing duties.

The very fact that he made the order for the National Guard to be ready amid cries of foul over the bill and threats of protest seems to indicate to most, myself included, that it's a thinly veiled threat to begin with.

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Actually, not sure he can be recalled, for that matter the cowardly senators that fled can't either, at least not yet. The Wisconsin constitution says that they cant be recalled until they have been in their job for one year, likely to prevent people using the recall method willy-nilly.

Why are we comparing Wisconsin protesters to the Egyptian protesters?

In Egypt, the people who are protesting are hungry, unemployed, and severely oppressed by a brutal regime.

In Wisconsin, the people who are protesting are government workers with cushy jobs, have paychecks that are higher than comparable private sector workers, and are not experiencing the high layoffs that normal citizens are experiencing.

People complaining about collective bargaining? Please. Its too bad government jobs can't be shipped to China so they would really have something to cry about.

The Wisconsin crybabies don't know anything about hardship or cutting back, unlike many workers who have lost their jobs in the private sector. What is worse is the the Wisconsin crybabies are comparing themselves to the Egyptian people who really have nothing except a really good reason to take to the streets.

Originally posted by flyingdog
Completely agree with you on both points. It's outrageous what he pulled - stepped way outside bounds threatening force on peaceful demonstrators. Meanwhile, not even the Obama-nation in office has said a word anger about that threat. If that doesn't tell the American people what the gov't thinks of them, I don't know what will

Oh please, if I peacefully protest against paying my taxes for two wars and a bloated government, you can bet the government will use force on me.

And there might be a need for the national guard. If the protesters get their way, then the Wisconsin government will have no choice but to lay off the whole lot of those protesters and there will be real violence.

And out come the union busting elitist supporters.

This isn't about unions folks, it is about humanity. Who caused the mess most states are in? Unions, or corporations and banks? Yeah, that's right - the elitists bankrupted us and are making us pay for it. Thus has nothing to do with unions, don't let the elitist support group steer you wrong.

Peace

Originally posted by kroms33
And out come the union busting elitist supporters.

This isn't about unions folks, it is about humanity. Who caused the mess most states are in? Unions, or corporations and banks? Yeah, that's right - the elitists bankrupted us and are making us pay for it. Thus has nothing to do with unions, don't let the elitist support group steer you wrong.

Peace

They all own part of this. Corporations and banks own about 90%, but unions got out of control with their demands. Government unions should be just plain illegal.