Experienced first Satanic experience

Here's my slant on all this.

There are creative (Angelic), and destructive(Demonic) forces in the universe.

As we are all subject to the dualistic nature of our manifested realities, we are all subject to these forces, which are represented by the Yin Yang symbol, which I feel is a really good representation of the way these forces interact with each other.

I believe that, in order to know ourselves, it is necessary to know more about the component parts of our own realities, and that includes the darker as well as the brighter aspects of being.

I used to be into 'black' magic as a teenager in the mid '70s, and still have an interest in these matters, but when I was younger I was a lot more stupid than I am nowadays and I wanted the power to hurt those whom I considered my enemies.
I soon came a cropper and ended up having horrendous nightmares and got myself into all kinds of trouble in my personal life.

I feel I'm OK nowadays, and all the negativity I experienced all those years ago, I consider a valuable lesson which has helped make me what I am today.
Despite the obvious dangers involved in what I did, I wouldn't change it for the world, but my advice to anyone considering experimenting with this stuff is, unlike myself, before embarking upon such activities, learn how to get rid of stuff first, and protect yourself.

Right, now I'm gonna get off my soapbox and play my computer game.

Cyas later.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by PaR3v

 

So you're not going to tell me what you did to summon it?

No need to be rude either

First of all, if you need someone to hold your hand and provide you with a step-by-step process when there is literally a plethora of knowledge at your fingertips online about the subject (just check out the link I posted on the first page, there's a least fifty .pdfs on that site alone), you probably aren't prepared to work with any occult system at this juncture of your life. Second, you're asking advice from a guy who has said himself that he was dabbling, could not control the phenomena and got freaked out. Ask yourself, is this the person I should be seeking wisdom from regarding these matters? Third, pretty sure old boy was just being facetious, not actually trying to offend you, and there's at least a 50% chance he's a troll in the first place. If you're really serious about dipping your toes into these waters, I suggest starting small, like with meditation practice or sigil work or something a little more innocuous than full blown evocation. Even if you were trying to summon an angel you put yourself at risk for psychological damage if you aren't prepared for the experience that may follow. And if you do just decide to curtail all the small stuff and try to summon Azathoth or Satan or something, there's a pretty good chance that it's just not gonna work because you don't know what you're doing. It really doesn't take much, just a little bit of wisdom and practice. If you're gonna do it, try to do it right.

reply to post by PaR3v




Whatever you've been smoking will you send me some?

I get really hacked off every time I read people type things like,
"I'd give it a go for a laugh."
or
"I dabbled in it."

As a practitioner of the Dark Arts, I will give you some very good advice:

DO NOT dabble. DO NOT play around. DO NOT invoke, just for the hell of it.
DO NOT act imperiously, thinking that you can control a demon. DO NOT demand anything. You may ask, but never demand. DO NOT expect anything, without being willing to give something in return.

And, most of all: SHOW RESPECT. ALWAYS.

There are beings far more intelligent, far more powerful, and far darker than you can imagine. DO NOT insult them by dabbling, fooling around, or having a laugh. You will regret it.

reply to post by theamnesiac


Great answer, thanks.

Well now you know, so don't go playing with it again lest it make a toy out of YOU!

reply to post by CodyOutlaw


While matters of the occult definitely do deserve much respect when approaching them if one is to stand to actually gain anything, dabbling a little here or there doesn't always imply instant doom. Sometimes it can be a worthwhile experience to put yourself out there and live on the edge. I think a good way to look at the situation is to consider black magick and related things like heroin. There are plenty of people who have dabbled in heroin but do not become addicts. I myself have dabbled in heroin and not become an addict or ruined my life or become a terrible person as a result. Of course by dabbling, you do set yourself up for negative consequences to follow, because it IS very easy to become hooked or do too much and overdose, just as it is possible to get yourself over your head with a ritual and do permanent psychic damage or harm yourself physically by not being able to interpret symbolic gestures encoded in certain texts. If you underestimate the power of heroin it may ruin your life. If you underestimate the power of the occult it may ruin your life and the lives of others around you. The difference between the two is that there is much more to be gained from using occult practices correctly than using heroin or most any other drug correctly. The occult can raise your self-awareness to new heights and change your life for the better, while heroin may temporarily help you if you're in serious pain or if you need some sort of creative catalyst at the moment (there are definitely better and safer drugs to use for this purpose, however). This might not be the most wholesome metaphor, but the situations are similar in that there can be serious consequences if you do not approach them with their due respect, but sometimes charging in recklessly doesn't always end up in disaster and can actually end up being fun and exciting or accomplishing a real means to an end, and aside from all that you have a new experience under your belt which has enriched your life for better or worse. Enriching your life experience ultimately provides an opportunity to learn and grow if you so choose. Our time in these bodies in this world of ours is short, the more experiences you have the more you will come to appreciate that life is a beautiful gift full of wonder and opportunity if you are willing to seek it.

Just look at Chaos magick. Their entire system is basically based off of dabbling; using what you need to when you need to, being adaptive, and having the will to let go and put yourself out there. Chaos magick is about getting results by any means necessary within whatever bounds of reason the practitioner sets for himself, and most of them are doing just fine. I'm sure there have been a few who have recklessly dove into a ritual involving datura use or something along those lines and ended up seriously messing themselves up and paying for it, but on the whole their community is thriving and many are producing tangible results with few negative consequences at a much quicker pace than the older, more traditional schools do. A large part of my general approach to the occult was formed through my time in various Chaotic currents, for I still do not adhere to any one set path but blaze my own. The difference is that I am much more mature than I was back then and have much more self-awareness and respect for all things in general, which has led me to greater success in my workings.

In short, to all the wanna-be satanists, dabblers, thrill-seekers, and the genuinely curious: use your heads, procede with caution, but know that stepping into any new endeavor requires some kind of leap of faith and mistakes will be made from time to time, some worse than others but you can't always get the reward without taking risks. The only way to really know that fire burns is to experience a burn once in your life. You can be told that it burns all you want, but you will have no actual wisdom or understanding about this until it happens. That's just part of the learning process. If you do things rationally and keep your wits about you you should be fine. But it definitely DOES pay to know the virtues of wisdom, temperance, discipline, and respect, just as with any other area of life. You will benefit much more if you are mature about things. Well wishes to all of you in whatever endeavors you may choose. May you be at one with Buddha in peace.

"Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on..."

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by theamnesiac

 

Great answer, thanks.

I'm here to help others who are seeking something more in their lives, and I have quite a bit of experience in the field. It always helps to have a mentor guide you along the right path. Teachers are there to help with the learning process and ultimately teach you how to learn for yourself, a mentor is there for support, encouragement, and provide perspective. I am a pretty understanding person, partly because the knowledge I've gained has given me the ability to understand different viewpoints, empathize with others, and made me very much aware of the duality of all things, giving me the ability to wrap my head around paradox and be able to use that in a very effective manner (this is something I would really, really like to get into, but I feel that it would be off-topic and lost on most in this thread, even though it is one of the most important lessons of the occult and the secret of the philosopher's stone, a secret which funnily enough I've actually stated in earlier in the thread and hinted at in this post. And I also remember what it was like first starting out. I had to learn everything myself, pursue my own avenues of study and initiate myself into higher states of enlightenment (I don't necessarily like using that term because it sounds arrogant, but the results I've seen in my life and the vast amount of illumination I've gained have made me aware that I am progressing at a very fast pace and doing splendidly in my own evolution.) Having the gift of self-awareness allows me to know my strengths, and I generally will play to them unless venturing into a complete unknown and desire to learn more about myself by allowing me to set aside my preconceived notions and just take in the experience for what it is (which is why I am more understanding about dabbling). Because of these things I have become a pretty high adept of the sacred science of life, alchemy, and the philosophy of Thelema, and can apply the transmutation process in both mundane endeavors and greater spiritual growth and the same goes with Thelema, though with Thelema it is more the philosophical aspects that apply, however I apply many of Crowley's psychological methods on a daily basis. Tupac, I'm going to send you a PM, be watching your inbox. I really didn't mean for this post to drag out as long as it did, I can be a wordy mothersucker sometimes but there is just so much to be said, sorry guys. If just one of you reads it all and can take something from it it's totally worth it. Take care all.

Originally posted by Xiamara
When ever I hear demon summoning stories I have to laugh, I've tried it for fun and guess what nothing happens. There are evil spirits but summoning them I don't think so... I'm very open to the paranormal but summonings just to me are not real.

Maybe the ones you summoned were not polite enough to knock and announce their presence. How can you be sure they never came, and if they did, ever left? "Tried it for fun"?? Amazing,,,,

reply to post by theamnesiac


While I do understand that you have to start somewhere, and that mistakes are par for the course, I still can't stress enough that respect must be paid at all times. If there is one thing that is valued on every plane of existence, it is the proper showing of respect. There are beings who do not wish to be disturbed at all, let alone for a laugh. There are beings who are willing to hear you out, as long as they feel that you are respectful. But, none of them will tolerate being approached disrespectfully, arrogantly, mockingly, or carelessly. The idea of summoning a demon inside a triangle, and then bossing it around, is quite honestly the worst thing I've heard. And people wonder why they have bad experiences? Would a human being like being summoned imperiously, trapped inside a triangle and then bossed about by an ant? No.

Three things are important in any occult working: respect, offerings, and intent. You must show respect, you must offer something, and you must have pure intent.

And I never recommend the circle and triangle business. It's a bad idea, all around.

God saved your ass. know that you know the truth, stop f-ng around with those pieces of sh-t.

reply to post by CodyOutlaw


# man, you ended up posting about the very thing I was going to post about, you just got to it faster because I ended up delving into many more things. You truly are an adept. I hope to strike up dialogue with you in the future.

reply to post by PaR3v

dabbling around with Satanism a bit

Ok.

reading on the demons and how to summon them

Ok.

it took around 2-3 weeks to finally get what i wanted

Ok.

i suddenly heard voices being spoken to me. i don't even remember what it said.
but it was like "I am here" or something of those words. and i got really shaken.

Why?

You asked for something, you got it. What's the problem? If you order pizza, a pizza guy is probably going to show up. And if you run onto the freeway you might get hit by a car.

If you spent weeks trying to get a demon to show up, and if it was "what you wanted" (your words) then what's the problem?

i do not want to summon any again in my life after what i experienced.

I'm sorry, but what were you expecting? 2-3 weeks of effort is not a trivial time investment. It's not like you absent mindedly thought to yourself about demons and something suddenly burst into your mind and started tearing out chunks. You asked for a demon with intent and determination over "2-3 weeks" and so eventually something showed up and politely announced itself.

What were you expecting? What result from your actions would not have shaken you? Are demons supposed to respond to a summoning by RSVP delivered by carrier pigeon?

If an athiest says something like "there is no god, and if there is may he strike me dead" there's no intent to be struck by lightning. He doesn't believe it's going to happen. But spending weeks trying to manifest an event...and it happens...

I don't understand your mindset. What was your intended result? You said this was what you wanted. If so, why are you so unhappy with it? If it wasn't, why did you do it?

Please explain.

If you want to learn more about this. Google "Vassago" and find your clues
from there. I'm not going to direct anybody in any real directions....

...oh. So you're not going to tell anyone how to do this. But you're going to tell them exactly where to look to find out on their own.

Right.

No, sorry, I'll pass on this particular puzzle-box, thanks.

reply to post by theamnesiac


Likewise
I look forward to it!

Originally posted by darrylss
symptoms of schizophrenia include:

* Thought disorder: Thoughts and speech can be very jumbled, jumping from one topic to another without any obvious link. It can be very difficult to talk with a person who has schizophrenia.
* Delusions: These are false beliefs of being persecuted, or of guilt, or of being very powerful. Some people may think they are being controlled by others, or that they have special powers. Some feel so afraid of others that they withdraw or hide to keep themselves feeling safe.
* Hallucinations: This most commonly involves hearing voices which the person thinks are criticising them or telling them what to do. Some people have hallucinations affecting what they see or feel or smell. To the person having the hallucination, these seem real.

While the person has these changed thought patterns, their illness can be called an 'acute psychosis'. Treatment with medication will usually reduce these psychotic symptoms.

Read more: Schizophrenia Forum - the Symptoms of Skitsofrenia ehealthforum.com...

In OTHER WORDS, labels created by science to cover up the existence of demonic possession.

People in mental institutions are the very same people Jesus met in his time to purge out the demons from them.

Satan's greatest trick in the book to convince us he doesn't exist.

reply to post by salty_wagyu

In OTHER WORDS, labels created by science to cover
up the existence of demonic possession.

"Schizophrenia" and "demon possession" are both labels.

reply to post by salty_wagyu


If you're religious, that's great and I can respect that, but dude, schizophrenia is a physical disorder which is caused by changes in the brain structure, it's not caused by demons or anything funky like that.

I think you got what you asked for you don't summon demons and not have consequences..Id stay away from that kinda thing since you don't know alot about the subject your just asking for problems..

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by salty_wagyu

 

If you're religious, that's great and I can respect that, but dude, schizophrenia is a physical disorder which is caused by changes in the brain structure, it's not caused by demons or anything funky like that.

Who's to say that demons aren't actually changes in brain structure in the first place. Everything esoteric has a mundane counterpart. As above, so below.

reply to post by theamnesiac


Then why can mild schizophrenics still function in society with medication, but severe schizophrenics have to be in mental institutions for a good part of their lives? Are some demons less severe than others, and can be controlled with medication, while others are too strong to be medicated? That doesn't make much sense IMO

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by theamnesiac

 

Then why can mild schizophrenics still function in society with medication, but severe schizophrenics have to be in mental institutions for a good part of their lives? Are some demons less severe than others, and can be controlled with medication, while others are too strong to be medicated? That doesn't make much sense IMO

You misunderstand, read a post a while back in this thread regarding the Goetia. Crowley states that demons are actually parts of the human brain, and that evoking those demons through ritual stimulates those parts. This is the mundane truth to the esoteric.