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We are big, bad anarchists and our coup d’ etah is to spoil a wedding.

Is it me? Is it because I am an American? Their whole plan revolves around forcing the bride and groom to marry in another church.

Happy Couple

Or am I having a cultural breakdown?

And what's up with this? Halloween or his version of Guy Fawkes? I know I can be a smart *ss, but I need to know if this form of protest is taken seriously in Britain.

Guy Fawkes or Halloween

Thanks for the posts and the anticipated information.

Who gives a rats A** about these clowns anyways.
Nothing to see here... move on.

reply to post by angelwrangler


I'm all for peaceful demonstrations, but these people, (boys) need to grow up.

I don't like the Royals or what they stand for, yet it's a young couples wedding day. Politics should be left out of it. Let them have their day.

I'd like to see how those anarchists would feel if members of the public caused havoc on their wedding day. I'm sure they'd be the first ones to call on the police for help.

They want anarchy, drop them off in a Country where anarchy is rife. We could even give them a choice of places they could go.

Originally posted by SnakeShot
Who gives a rats A** about these clowns anyways.
Nothing to see here... move on.

These clowns? The Royal couple or the anarhists? Both would be true.


Ps....I hate it when someone says "Nothing to see here, move on" It's a bit patronising. Let members decide for themselves.

I am replying to all and I appreciate the responses, because indeed, I feel the same, not only "who cares", but also, why pick a special day like a wedding, that I am hoping to the couple is life affirming and not some royal ruse.

The reason I do not think it is a royal ruse, is this couple has a chosen an island and a modest home to live in. and this Prince does the work of a middle class American.

Am I on the right track?

reply to post by angelwrangler


What does this have to do with Guy Fawkes? He was opposed to tyrany and corruption not an anarchist. the picture in the article was a vampire or something?

I'm not in favour of anarchists going crazy to ruin the day (except those prostitutes planning a naked protest outside the House of Commons that day purely for the hilarity, reminds me of that scene in Crank 2 with the protesting porn stars) but as a British person who quite enjoys the royal family and likes some members a great deal, I'm appreciative of the day off for the whole country to celebrate but I just don't get the huge fuss caused.

I was already bored of it hours after the wedding date was announced last autumn. Prince William does nothing for me from what I see of him on tv and Kate Middleton is talked of as a regular person marrying into the royals but the truth is her family are upper middle classes, far from the "regular" people they claim her to be.

Off topic for the moment, but critical...

I am not sure if this is OK, but we have a bit of an emergency on the following thread:

Critical Condition

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reply to post by watchitburn


All I can say to you is thank you! I truly have no idea what it means. He appears to me a fool, and not the good kind.

Originally posted by watchitburn
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What does this have to do with Guy Fawkes? He was opposed to tyrany and corruption not an anarchist. the picture in the article was a vampire or something?

Guido Fawkes was just a pawn who spent most of his life in another country and became the fall guy when rich Catholics decided to blow up Parliament with the King in it for turning England into a mainly Protestant country. Fawkes generally went along with it because he himself was a Catholic but wasn't really opposed to tyranny or corruption, more like the person who agreed with the sentiments of the people behind the plot.

reply to post by curious7


Really...I had such a thing for Princess Di...she was the perfect balance, I stayed up 24 hours to watch every second of the wedding and everything around the wedding over and over again. Her death was an unbelievable tragedy for me and so many Americans.

I know nothing of Kate Middleton, but from what I gather she had to be "approved" or something? And I am reading that into your last paragraph. If I am off the mark, let me know!

reply to post by curious7


Wow! I need to study up and so do my nephews and son.

Since "V" for Vendetta and then combined with our (Americans) never ending love affair with "Les Miserables" and the barricade...it worries me... our over the top romance with the suicidal aspects of the mythology of protest and rebellion.

In this case i'd love to see a game of anarchists vs SAS snipers . No legit protest or demonstration just a bunch of misfits hell bent on destruction . These aren't revolutionaries and are worthy of nothing but contempt . I was at the demonstrations and protests at the G20 in Toronto and many demonstrators were being interviewed by the Canada print , radio and tv media and our point was getting across until these azzholes showed up to smash , destroy , burn and fight absolutely without a cause or a point . Old people who had never protested anything in their lives were showing up and there was nothing but positive press until the shallow end of the gene pool showed up to smash windows and fight the law and start the tear gas flying . Public support and good will was instantly lost . Like any common criminal these were the only ones who showed up with belaclavas to mask their identity while they acted little more than thugs and gangsters . If anyone thinks that these criminals help any cause , give your head a shake . Protesting and demonstrating are to let who or what you know that they have opposition but it's also hearts and minds trying to convince others that the cause is just and good and when these barbarian , cowardly thugs show up , all is lost . I must have seen 5 or the cowards wearing Che T-Shirts while also wearing a mask or beleclava and while thousands of demonstrators wore no disguise , they did , unlike Che who never hid behind anything , but these cowardly idiots cared nothing about any cause even if it concerns the whole world , they were just there to destroy and that helps no cause . Absolutely nothing heroic and they certainly aren't the confederates of anyone fighting for freedom and liberty and the value of human life for everyone on this earth . They never show up to join and help , only to sabotage .

reply to post by bandito


I guess that is what I am afraid I am seeing. An excuse for violence and chaos. Further, the chance to gather and make a mockery..and the choice of a wedding is even more of a mockery.

I, too, have been in protests, (because I am so much older than you) that the Weathermen showed up to and they shot police officers in cold blood, blew up their cars.

And then, Kent State happened, where police officers shot students.

Your story is moving and so accurate. What I take from it..they are so few and we are so many.

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Hey thanks to all who checked with Mama Beth. You are the best!

reply to post by angelwrangler


I was never really affected by Diana's death if I'm honest, I remember being annoyed that wrestling had been taken off the tv to air the funeral all day. She seemed like a good woman and did a lot for charity but I just never had an affection for her that the older generation had but then I'm the same age as Prince Harry so I wouldn't have much reason to have taken her in as much.

As for Kate, the media made a big deal like she was an ordinary citizen but honestly, she's from the same "public" class that Sarah Ferguson and other none royals came from which is a far cry from the working class who populate the country and do the most work for the least amount of money.

reply to post by curious7


Ahhh, did not know and can understand.

It also is a bit surreal for me and most Americans. I will tell you this and my husband and I have, I believe along with many Americans, had to take things very seriously with your last election. We had no idea that when there is a "tie", the Queen was the final consultation.

Am I right on this? We understood that the people look to the Queen to right things. And the final decision is determined with, in this case, the Queen.

reply to post by angelwrangler


No what happens is if there is no overall majority, the party with the most votes gets to become the government but then there's an option. The runners up (in this case the Liberal Democrats) have to either join up with the ruling government to form a majority there or they can join the opposition party to have a majority against the government while the ruling party (Conservatives in this case) don't have as many MPs and politicians as the other side of the house.

The two party leaders decided to join and form a coalition government but as is tradition, they have to ask the Queen's permission to enter 10 Downing Street even though honestly she has no power over them other than in rare circumstances when she can dissolve Parliament for a very specific reason (it escapes me right now, I'm sure a quick trip to Wikipedia will fill that gap of knowledge though).

The reason it's only a very special case where a monarch can overrule Parliament is because in either the 1500s or 1600s (I think), a previous King overruled them in favour of himself and was then ousted and a rule made where any ruling monarch can't interfere with government unless like I said, in a very special and rare case.

She can open and close Parliament between the summer break and politicians coming back to work in the House of Commons but that's again down more to tradition than the Queen having any kind of power over them.

Hope that helps.

reply to post by curious7


It does indeed help. Thanks so much! This is a very informative thread for me.

I am one quarter Scotch, one quarter Irish, a smidge English and one quarter German, the rest is mutt from all over Europe. I know so little about who my family was and, by extension, who I am or would be if I were connected to my heritage.

ATS is the first worldwide forum I have been on and it forces me out of the American paradigm. This is a good thing.

Hey, you're welcome, places like ATS help us all learn at least something new every day, why not share knowledge in such a way