What kind of "God" lives in a box???

reply to post by SunTzu22


Because it wasnt the kind of god you are thinking of, the creator of all. This was some kind of alien visitation playing god with the people of the time. Of this i have no doubt!

reply to post by JudgedCover


Oh look at what we have here, are you one of them bible-bashers? Of course I won't put the obvious connection there it is up to you to recognize that.

About the puppy send it over here and I guarantee you it will have the best time of it's life.

Maybe you see me as a heretic? Maybe you want to burn me in a stake?

Does he really need to put the tree there for free will to exist? Really? What kind of God tempts his own creation? Isn't ironic?

Why would you fear drinking and driving, if you're stupid enough to do it, you deserve whatever you get.....

whether you know this or not the judgment call you make on whether you drink or drive is based on fear or the lack of. if you have no fear for consequences you will do it.. it is how your brain works. FEAR IS A GOOD THING.

This isn't how your brain works, its how you're conditioned to think by the media...

Why would you fear a man with a Gun? If hes going to shoot you, fearing him isn't going to help your situation is it.

it is because the fear that you're adrenaline is released. fear is just a chemical reaction in your brain. when the chemical reaction reaches a certain extent adrenaline get's released and time seems to slow down as your brain processes better....
once again FEAR IS A GOOD THING

Again, same situation... your conditioned by the media to believe that you just might get caught in a cross fire, in reality its a rare thing. I don't fear people with guns, i have no fear of maniacs running in the streets. I don't associate with anyone who would have a gun, nor do i put myself in situations where a gun might show up. Its simple logic, fear is irrational.

Fear is a primal instinct which technically is there to keep us alive, but in the process it blinds you. Fear of God is nonsence, God is a part of you, so you only fearing yourself.

The world is a Box if you're afraid of it.

like i said it is not a irrational fear but rather a rational one. just like you don't cheat on your wife cause you fear hurting her. it is not being evil for fear of the consequences of evil actions. once again not a paranoid OMG fear, just the normal kind that helps you make better decisions instead of stupid ones.

I don't fear hurting people, i don't fear cheating....i know better then to do so....so again why be irrational, just use some logic...

Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
reply to post by stuncrazy

 

I think you are blinded by your FEAR here brother, it is never a good thing to be afraid of the unknown. If you FEAR something then you are limiting yourself to what is right and wrong, in short FEAR is a tool for controlling you.

And about the FEAR releasing adrenaline, it is never FEAR it is the fight or flight response of a human, he never FEARED it he just chooses what's better to fight or to run? FEAR is never the answer my friend.

i guess you didn't read the entirety of my post... fear as we call it is simply a chemical reaction of the brain... and when the chemical reaction reaches an extreme level adrenaline is released whether you fight or flight either way the adrenaline is coming.

i am completely against letting ANY emotion control you. whether it be hatred, pride, lust, anger, or anything, but fear as an INSTINCT, which is exactly what it is, protects you and guides you. the lives we live are based off of fear... TPTB use fear in a bad way to control. that's why you work, because you want a home and a nice life.
every decision you make is based off of emotions of all sorts, be it lust, excitement, fear, or curiosity. EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE IS BASED ON EMOTIONS. learn to at least learn which emotions to listen to jeez. bashing me cause i got life figured out ha

reply to post by stuncrazy


Hey I guess you got it all wrong, what era are you living in?

Every action we make is based on emotions? What happened to our minds? Did it became a factory of emotions incapable of using logic?

I don't see where you are getting this but living of from pure emotion is never a good thing. I'm not trying to bash you here but maybe sometime you could use your mind, it is there for a reason.

Yes. I'm a "bible basher" I am presently en route to your house saddled upon my 10-speed. I am armed with Chick tracks warning about the evils of Motely Crue and a penchant for speaking in 16th century English.

I'm going to wait till 8:00 AM this Saturday morning and I'm going to knock on your door. Then, once I've mustered every ounce of arrogance I can summon, I'm going to assume I have the right to ask a total stranger about what would happen if they were to suddenly die! No "Hello", no hey buddy how about I pretend to give a **** about your pathetic orgy-filled devil music soundtrack'd life, just the morbid curiousity about your eternal sould should you meet a sudden and untimely death.

And...if you have the audacity to reject such an amazing gesture of love, I will walk off that porch of yours, ceremonially shake the dust off my feet and rejoice at your eternal torment in hell while I think about how awesome God must think I am.


...yeah, I'm a bible-basher.

Seriously, if your gonna reject the concept of God, at least do so with sound logic and reasoning and not what is obviously some emotional chip on your shoulder birthed in anger and hostility.

Peace!

reply to post by Akragon


what you call logic is based on fear... dude do some research on the subject. wait one sec i'll do some for you

"Fear is a funny thing," said Ted Abel, a fear researcher at the University of Pennsylvania. "One needs enough of it, but not too much of it."

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Like freedom from want, freedom from fear sounds better than the reality. We all know what it's like to feel overwhelmed by fear, but few of us know what it's like to be unburdened by fear. We imagine it would make us bolder and braver. In reality, it would make us stupider. Fear, as it turns out, is a fundamental part of making good decisions.

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i'm sorry i don't wanna sound harsh, but your ideology holds no ground scientifically speaking FEAR is an absolute necessity.

Originally posted by stuncrazy

Originally posted by Kharron
That's a beautiful idea, although with absolutely no proof.

Tell me, in 500 years, when the world has evolved out of these dark ages, do you think anyone will look at that ideology as anything different than how we look at Aztecs or Maya and their human sacrifices a few hundred years ago?

Khar

don't lie don't cheat don't steal don't murder...

you cannot ever discredit the 10 commandments and the bible is based off of those 10 rules. or even simpler as Jesus said

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e]
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f]
31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.”

can you discredit that? is it not good to love our neighbor's? is it not good to be a helper and considerate, rather than angry and selfish?
which is better? the morality the world teaches "do as thou wilt", "Hey, man do whatever makes you happy, so what if you hurt people along the way at least you'll be happy
or the morality of the Almighty? be a fisher of men. sacrifice for others. be your brother's keeper. make the world a better place just by being you.
what's wrong with that train of thought?

No I can't. And those basic commandments are a part of every religion. They all say, don't kill, don't cheat, don't steal - that's because it's common sense.

So if they are all correct, and so are the atheists who still go by those rules even though they don't believe in the Man in the Sky, and they all say that only their book is the right one - doesn't that discredit all of them?

If those commandments are right, ever every religious text is a text from some God, but says that that is the only God, doesn't that mean all other texts are fallacious, including the Bible? Answer - yes it does.

And also, yes, the Bible has been around since, oh 50 A.D. or so, our current Bible in it's current shape since oh, what was it 1043 A.D. or so, it is not a stretch to say that it will change again or disappear altogether as humans get more intelligent.

Many religions were great and had many followers... and now they're gone. Yes, I don't know if the Bible will be here in 500 years or so. I guess it's all guesswork, like the Bible itself.

Khar

reply to post by JudgedCover


What are you implying here sir?

I do believe in a God but not the same God as Christians, Muslims, Jews or whatever organized religion there is.

Again what love are you talking about? I don't see it.

Maybe if you aren't that biased about the topic maybe we'll be able to understand each other more? We are completely in different sides and as I see it there is no point in arguing here anymore, why do you choose to reply to a thread like this if you know that your beliefs are unshakable? What are you trying to do? To shed light to us?

reply to post by Lateralussicksicksick


seeing as you are simply trying to make me feel/sound stupid by completely ignoring the fact that my statements are based off of scientific research that have been done over long periods of time, and whose findings state that you do what you do because of the way your feeling... i'm just gonna let it go and say buh bye.

reply to post by Kharron


dude your missing the point... it's not the actual person you put faith in because he is ALL THAT HE IS how do you worship something that is everything? by serving ALL THAT HE IS. WHICH IS HUMANITY AND THE WORLD. It's about self-sacrifice the greater good and all that good jazz.. never not once when you get into the nitty gritty of things is your salvation based on whom you believed in, but rather the lifestyle you lead.

are you gonna be a good person or a bad one? that is the ultimate decision.... wanna be a good one read the bible it teaches you how. that simple.

Edit to add:
go ahead and look in that bible and tell me where it tells you to be a catholic, baptist, or whatever.. show me where it ever once talks about church. it only states worship and study.
church is a way for a person to feel better about themselves to be a "christian" you have to walk the walk not just talk the talk.

Originally posted by stuncrazy
reply to post by Akragon

 

what you call logic is based on fear... dude do some research on the subject. wait one sec i'll do some for you

"Fear is a funny thing," said Ted Abel, a fear researcher at the University of Pennsylvania. "One needs enough of it, but not too much of it."

source

Like freedom from want, freedom from fear sounds better than the reality. We all know what it's like to feel overwhelmed by fear, but few of us know what it's like to be unburdened by fear. We imagine it would make us bolder and braver. In reality, it would make us stupider. Fear, as it turns out, is a fundamental part of making good decisions.

source

i'm sorry i don't wanna sound harsh, but your ideology holds no ground scientifically speaking FEAR is an absolute necessity.

Believe what you want to believe man.....i don't use fear to make decisions i use logic.

Fear is absolutely unnecessary, we don't live in the jungle anymore bro.

Its a primal instinct that has no rational use in this age, aside from what the media uses it for...

Originally posted by stuncrazy
reply to post by Kharron

 

dude your missing the point... it's not the actual person you put faith in because he is ALL THAT HE IS how do you worship something that is everything? by serving ALL THAT HE IS. WHICH IS HUMANITY AND THE WORLD. It's about self-sacrifice the greater good and all that good jazz.. never not once when you get into the nitty gritty of things is your salvation based on whom you believed in, but rather the lifestyle you lead.

are you gonna be a good person or a bad one? that is the ultimate decision.... wanna be a good one read the bible it teaches you how. that simple.

And I agree with you there brother. I will be a good person, I strive to be one every day, and yes I fail at it sometimes.

But I do not try to be a good person because I created some deity, personified it and adapt and change my beliefs to my needs. I will be a good person because I wish to be so, because I do not wish to cause harm to another human being.

Khar

reply to post by stuncrazy


I'm was born in a Catholic family, I studied in a Catholic school, we read the bible, we have sermons from an old man every Sunday, we studied the bible and all that.

Have you read the story of Cain and Abel that I have posted in the first page? It teaches us what? That "god" prefers blood more than labors of a hardworking man? What had the bible taught you if you would like to share it with us?

reply to post by Akragon


dude you are completely ignoring the fact that your logic is based on fear... whether you want it to be or not it is... it's just the way things are. this is not a discussion this is fact... just sayin man. the only choice really is WHAT do you fear and not IF you will fear.

reply to post by Kharron


amen brother. that's awesome to hear. be good for the sake of being good. here here to that one

reply to post by Lateralussicksicksick


the lesson of Cain and abel is not to be a cop out.
cain was taking the easy way by giving vegetation that would not really hurt his food source. so for selfish reasons he tried to offer up what was not acceptable to offer.

abel took pride in his sacrifice and gave his best bovine(i believe i may be mistaken and don't feel like looking it up) and sacrificed the prize of his fruit, the best of his best.
he did this out of love and admiration of his God.

cain served self, while abel served God. this is kindergarten stuff man.

Originally posted by stuncrazy
reply to post by Akragon

 

dude you are completely ignoring the fact that your logic is based on fear... whether you want it to be or not it is... it's just the way things are. this is not a discussion this is fact... just sayin man. the only choice really is WHAT do you fear and not IF you will fear.

no im not ignoring anything, i understand what fear is. I've had fear of many things in my life, and have overcome those fears long ago.

Fear isn't in me, i have no need of it....

oh btw
Just because you call what your talking about a fact doesn't make it a fact.

reply to post by stuncrazy


You should stop your blind run towards what you think is "salvation" and start trying to educate yourself.

If a scientist were to anounce the discovery of some miracle cure, you would certainly demand evidence.

Why do you not require evidence of something as important as your immortal soul? Your religion provides evidence of hell only and not heaven my friend.

Did "god" not tell Joshua to kill everything that breathed within the walls of the Cananite cities? Did "gods" ark of evil not slaughter untold scores of people?

Did Jesus not push his brother off a roof? Did he not put out the eye of a man for his opinion? YOU PRAY TO THIS MAN!!!

And lets not forget Lilith. the first woman. how many of her babies was "god" supposed to kill everyday to punish her for her free will?? A hundred babies, every day. Your god kills one hundred babies every day! WTF!!

I told you all that it would be funny when the sheep showed up to defend their butcher.

Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
reply to post by stuncrazy

 

I'm was born in a Catholic family, I studied in a Catholic school, we read the bible, we have sermons from an old man every Sunday, we studied the bible and all that.

Have you read the story of Cain and Abel that I have posted in the first page? It teaches us what? That "god" prefers blood more than labors of a hardworking man? What had the bible taught you if you would like to share it with us?

The story of Cain and Abel teaches us that murder is bad and that God rewards your best efforts and not half-hearted offerings.

The sacrifice of animals for sin was an object lesson established by God to teach man several important lessons. Most notably when you choose to serve selfish desires over doing what is right, things bleed, people suffer, people die and it comes at a cost to you and to the ones you love. It was a great physical reminder to a fledgling lifeform that hurting others, hurts you. Ultimately, it was the lesson that an ultimate sacrifice once and for all had to be made to bring balance once more. To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. When a man steals from another, a family suffers, a business suffers, a community suffers and ultimately that very man who stole will negatively impact his own environment because of his selfish choice.

There weren't grocery stores then. That animal was his life, his food and clothing source, for himself and his family. His sin came at a cost. Something innocent had to die because of it. It was bloody, it was messy, and it costs.

We don't sacrifice animals anymore, but spend time at a DFS office. A hospital emergency room. A prison. A psychiatric ward. A homeless shelter.

Sin makes people suffer and the imagery of a sliced lamb throat and bloody hands equated with sins makes the lesson hit home. Just like an innocent man who preached love and compassion being ripped to shreds on a cross really makes the cost of sin hit home.

Once more it's just a viewpoint. But you asked why, and I'm telling you why from that view point. It wasn't about bloodlust. It was about teaching new humans the cost of selfishness and I'm sure you as a person who has walked this earth for any amount of time knows the pain that comes at the hands of those who chose self or doign what was right.