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reply to post by SirClem


so what is being sprayed and why?
BTW, USAF as well.

Originally posted by network dude
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so what is being sprayed and why?
BTW, USAF as well.

From what I can gather, Aluminum chaff along with another aerosol chemical. Apparently, the EPA think it's for the reduction of hail ______beforeitsnews/story/415/020/Landmark_Meeting_of_Chemtrail_Activists_and_Local_EPA.html. Others speculate that it's to protect us from unusually large impending solar flares that are set to kick off anytime between a couple of years ago (when the phenomenon started) to about 2012. This stuff is undeniable and i don't personally care why it's being done - it needs to stop!

when i was first hit with this stuff, i WOULDN'T believe because i was in the AF. There's no way our guys would be doing this knowing it could kill the forests, water yadayada. Well, as you know as an airmam, you WILL do what you're told when you're told and correct me if i'm wrong, but we weren't trained to ask questions. Especially if we think what we're doing is for the greater good i.e. saving the planet, installing 'freedom' and democracy. Peace homie, thanks for keeping an open mind.....NOW SPREAD THE WORD, watch 'what in the world are they spraying' and emulate what you've seen in the videotaped meeting with the EPA.

SIDE NOTE: HHHUUUAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Stay safe out there and thanks for your service, brother!

reply to post by SirClem

ABSOLUTE JUNK.

How very observant of you. Can you please tell us WHY its junk? At least the link I gave you gives a play by play of why "What in the world are they spraying?" is junk, and not just baseless conjecture like yourself.

Please, just ONE point of why it's junk, and no ad homs against the site owner, or the baseless accusation that it is a "disinfo" sight. Please, just point out ONE piece of evidence presented that you "know" false, with backing to your claim of why it is false.

im an old Air Force intel weenie that has had more than enough time to skywatch incoming/outgoing f15's & f16's. I know exactly what contrails look like, I just wish i'd have recognized it before (like i wish you guys would).

Then you know that F15's and 16's use Pratt & Whitney F100 afterburning turbofan jet engines which is not the same as what jetliners use. Jetliners use high-bypass turbofan jet engines, and the differences between thes two engines are going to have different characteristics on the contrails they leave behind.

reply to post by SirClem

Visited the 'contrailscience' website. ABSOLUTE JUNK. come on, just check out the ridiculous length the site goes to to 'debunk' the los angeles missile.....

You need to see the absolute junk right here on ATS about the same missile. There are lots of threads including this one:
ATS California Missile
which went on for 192 pages.

It was covered so widely because it was so widely mistaken, even though it was proven to be a contrail of a particular jet flying a particular route.
Contrail Science is the only site I'm aware of that answers all the silly claims, "evidence", and stories at all the "chemtrail" sites out there. There are dozens, with each making their own version of the story, about the who, what, where, when, and why of the "chemtrail" myth. Science only needs one site, because science has an answer for it all. If you knew the science behind what you see, you would see contrails, not "chemtrails", because "chemtrails" do not exist.

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Dont believe I ever mentioned anything about Aliens, or that I believed I had been abducted by aliens. Thank you for making implications though.

reply to post by SirClem

Aluminum chaff along with another aerosol chemical. Apparently, the EPA think it's for the reduction of hail

No, nobody except for yourself and others with "faith" in this hoax think that.

Chaff is no secret at all, in fact it's in the dictionary!

chaff 1

1. Botany Thin dry bracts or scales, especially:
a. The dry bracts enclosing mature grains of wheat and some other cereal grasses, removed during threshing.
b. The scales or bracts borne on the receptacle among the small individual flowers of many plants in the
composite family.
2. Finely cut straw or hay used as fodder.
3. Trivial or worthless matter: ignored the picky, unimportant criticisms that were just a lot of chaff.
4. Strips of metal, foil, or glass fiber with a metal content, cut into various lengths and having varying frequency responses, that are used to reflect electromagnetic energy as a radar countermeasure. These materials, usually dropped from aircraft, also can be deployed from shells or rockets.

Dictionary

This stuff is undeniable and i don't personally care why it's being done - it needs to stop!

So undeniable it has it's own wiki!
Chaff

NOW SPREAD THE WORD, watch 'what in the world are they spraying'

Please, review the link I gave you before about this video, and please elaborate on the "junk".

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..contrailscience.com...

Look, i can't be the bridge to enlightenment for you. As you may want to say to me, I'll say to you first, "you can lead a horse to water, but...". Your 'debunking' site is run by no other than someone with ZERO credentials. I now implore you to watch this: members.beforeitsnews.com...

The evidence is overwhelming that the phenomenon exists, maybe if you spend 1 day outside of your basement instead of playing WOW you'd see them. Furthermore, you might get pissed off after realizing you're breathing this shiit 24/7 - like me now..

I was dare i say, just like you, vehemently denying this (especially being an AirForce vet) about two years ago. Making my assumptions from my active duty experience as well as on arrogance from my inside cushy desk job. I work outside a lot now and love it, but now that i can watch the skies all day, i see what i wasn't privy to before. Peace and good luck on your objective research that i'm sure you're aching to start on

reply to post by SirClem


Chaff is released as a countermeasure to being blown up. It gets used as a training aid as well, but it's tiny aluminum strips that will form a large radar target to confuse radar guided missiles. Flares are also used for similar purposes. (heat seekers) The Aluminum strips are exactly like aluminum foil. the same stuff last night's dinner is wrapped up in. It's been proven that at times in the past, chemicals were sprayed on unsuspecting people for various reasons, but that only seemed to be selective accounts. The stuff that people claim makes up chemtrails is what I am interested in. I want to know what it's purpose is, should any real evidence ever turn up that daily spraying is real. I think what people mistake for chemtrails are contrails. I will not block out any information to the contrary, I just have determined based on what information exists now, that chemtrails are nothing but misunderstood contrails. I was flightline com-nav, and I flew as a crew chief a bit. I just never saw any indication of chemical spraying in my 6 years active.

To all who believe in the chemtrail.

1) Why?
2) Absolutlely No evidence that they are anyhing other than Jet Contrails.
3) I think beleivers are simply eager to iunvent something exciting and mysterious for themselves.
4) If Real (which they are not). What would be the Agenda
5) What effects would "They" hope to achieve with the population?
6) Why would said effects not Infect the "Theys".
7) At the altidude that Contrails develop the fallout from the "Chemtrails" would practically untargetable.

8) ad nauseum

reply to post by SirClem


Sorry.....I went to the link, but did NOT need to watch a boring 18-minute video of a City Council meeting, where the same old, same old crap from "chem"-trail believers pollutes the atmosphere...I scanned through the text that accompanied that latest "update" from Florida....and, once again, the same rhetoric and garbage.

Look....IF there were some highlights from that eighteen minutes, and you PROMISE it's worth it....and I mean, earth shattering revelations!!....then, let me know. OR, a few choice points, time-wise, would be acceptable.

Otherwise.....look, I posted, based on this OP's rather "odd" video, so it's on my "list" on ATS, and I reviewed the progress so far. A good many excellent and smart ATS members have contributed, so far, with the FACTS, yet this persists....yet again. I saw a mention (shout out to NetworkDude) of the USAF. While I was not in the military, I am a civilian pilot, through and through....with a lifetime of experience, to include 23+ years at a major US passenger airline, flying Domestically and Internationally. Quite a few ATS members here know this....

I would suggest a very, very careful step back away from these fringe "chem"-trail idiotic websites, and a tour through some actual, valid meteorological science, as a start. You may have other as-yet-untapped tools of understanding, based on the experience and training from the "Gubbmint"...in the Air Force, they no doubt spent a good amount of some of my tax dollars on you, in some fashion....please put that investment to good use.

Originally posted by SirClem
..contrailscience.com...

Look, i can't be the bridge to enlightenment for you. As you may want to say to me, I'll say to you first, "you can lead a horse to water, but...". Your 'debunking' site is run by no other than someone with ZERO credentials. :

As he says - if you find something wrong on the site feel free to lewt him know and he will correct it - so if you know someone who has "credentials" that shoudl be a scinch - right?? and yet it doesn't happen - many have tried - all have ben shown to ahve nothign more than suppoistion and assertion as their basis.

Or bad science - like Arizona Skywat and WITWATS.

his credentials are that he looks for verifiable evidence - which puts him far ahead of anyone in the chemtrail camp.

so far, sworldwide, ever since the chetrail hoax was invented, therer has been not 1 single piece of verifiavble evidence to show that any of the various things that have been climed are actually occuring. NOT ONE.

Maybe you will be the first....but I doubt it....

I'm sorry if you paid for WITWATS - if you did you've been ripped off.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SirClem

 

You may have other as-yet-untapped tools of understanding, based on the experience and training from the "Gubbmint"...in the Air Force, they no doubt spent a good amount of some of my tax dollars on you, in some fashion....please put that investment to good use.

I sure did. As an intel analyst (1N451), I was able to spy on 'targets' a bazillion miles away in Iraq and helped get us stuck in a war that you may/may not support. I was a waste of OUR taxpayer money, sorry to say, but our military en masse is a waste of young, viable intellect. The more time i've spent as a civilian again, the more of a true libertarian i become.

Back to topic: If someone who had 5 security clearances and works at the NSA told you to not trust the government, would you? I think i'd tend to lend an ear as you should. CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL, JACK. You obviously haven't watched 'what in the world are they spraying' because it's full of actual professional scientists and meteorologist that confirm the phenomenon.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SirClem
I'm tired of people straight out denying the existence of said CHEMTRAILS. PLEASE WATCH "WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING?" and then get back with the forum... Have a great week

Please read this page - you have ben fooled - what's more if you actually bought WITWATS you've been ripped off.

sorry about that - honestly - a lot of well meaning people have paid money for that crap.

No, I'm sorry - seriously, you're a little late to the party. Apparently you've missed the entire first page of our discussion where that site was covered in our conversation at length.

It is full of assertions that it is happening with the only evidence being offered being utter rubbish.

I don't care what "credentials" people have - their assertions mean nothing unless they can back them up with verifiable evidence.

Edit I missed the 2nd page - you will find my post has changed somewhat.

PPS: Here's a great set of contrail photos - have to be an awful lot of people in on this, in every country in the world.....I wonder who has the budget to keep a million+ people quiet for over a decade, and why aren't I getting any of it?? :p

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Back to topic: If someone who had 5 security clearances and works at the NSA told you to not trust the government, would you? I think i'd tend to lend an ear as you should. CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL, JACK.

Oh? SO, you have "5 security clearances" and you work "at the NSA"??

Well, nice to make your acquaintance!

BTW....the hiring standards at NSA?? Would think the people they hire would know that a "bazillion" isn't a real word....just sayin'.....oh, and what are "5" security clearances??

Listen.....take a chill-pill, and look at the OTHER side...instead of getting all wrapped around the (non-existent) axle from that utterly stupid "mock"-umentary "What....Spraying"....it is a GARBAGE piece of horse excrement .... "film"....you should ALSO check into the main guy behind it.....name of "Griffin"....he's either an idiot, or a criminal and charlatan....YOU decide....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by SirClem

 

Back to topic: If someone who had 5 security clearances and works at the NSA told you to not trust the government, would you? I think i'd tend to lend an ear as you should. CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL, JACK.

Oh? SO, you have "5 security clearances" and you work "at the NSA"??

Well, nice to make your acquaintance!

BTW....the hiring standards at NSA?? Would think the people they hire would know that a "bazillion" isn't a real word....just sayin'.....oh, and what are "5" security clearances??

Listen.....take a chill-pill, and look at the OTHER side...instead of getting all wrapped around the (non-existent) axle from that utterly stupid "mock"-umentary "What....Spraying"....it is a GARBAGE piece of horse excrement .... "film"....you should ALSO check into the main guy behind it.....name of "Griffin"....he's either an idiot, or a criminal and charlatan....YOU decide....

mis-spoke, "worked at the NSA" during OIF & OEF respectfully.

bazillion isn't that uncommon of a word, but yes indeed, it isn't a real number, smartass.

As far as hiring standards, I worked for them as an Airman, something that is far more common than you apparently know. The agency is run by at least 60 percent military personnel, NOT only from the U.S. but other countries (i won't name them because i'm honestly not sure if that's classified) not to mention the historical position of DIRNSA which has always been held by a military member (until the past year, not sure why) specifically a Brigadier or Lieutenant General. What's "5" security clearances? Curiosity killed the cat...Kidding (that's usually followed with, "if i tell you, i gotta kill you"), TS/SCI and 3 others I'm not supposed to discuss, sorry.

I don't know what else to tell you folks. Don't trust me, don't trust the govt., trust yourself and what you can see. Furthermore, trust in yourself because in my personal off topic opinion, the # is gonna hit the fan.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
It is full of assertions that it is happening with the only evidence being offered being utter rubbish.

I don't care what "credentials" people have - their assertions mean nothing unless they can back them up with verifiable evidence.

Edit I missed the 2nd page - you will find my post has changed somewhat.

PPS: Here's a great set of contrail photos - have to be an awful lot of people in on this, in every country in the world.....I wonder who has the budget to keep a million+ people quiet for over a decade, and why aren't I getting any of it?? :p

edit on 15-2-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

edit on 15-2-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: 'cos my typing sucks

that site just contained many up-close photos of contrails. There's no way to tell the difference except when you can watch them for a while to see if the trail dissipates as it should. Up Close Photos don't really help your cause.

the idea that "normal contrails" always dissipate quickly dissipate is nonsense - it was nonsense in 1940 when Antoine de Sait Exuperry generated them as he wrote in in "Flight to Arras" in 1942 -

The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.

and as far as I am aware the fundamental nature of the atmosphere has not changed enough to make it anythign except nonsense now.

I'm happy with them - since there is no visible difference claimed for chemtrails, and contrails do not always dissipate, despite repeated assertions otherwise, you have no basis to say which is which.

and that is exactly my point - plus they are jsut plain good plane photos! :p

The site also shows the quality of photographs that can be achieved - the usual blurry ones of "unmarked aircraft spraying" are not evidence of anything.

reply to post by SirClem

Look, i can't be the bridge to enlightenment for you.

Then why post in the first place? Apparently us "debunkers" are all wrong, and your experience of "looking up" supersedes 80 years of meteorlogical and aviation science and observations. So please, enlighten me.

Your 'debunking' site is run by no other than someone with ZERO credentials.

Credentials have WHAT to do with science? I really don't see the need for credentials to re-report scientific data on basic meteorology.

And if you want people with credentials, all you have to do is ask. You have already been arguing with one person here (yo weedwhacker!), and if 23+ years as a professional pilot aren't good enough, we do have our resident meteorologist (OzWeatherman). I cannot speak for either them, but I'm sure they would not mind answering any questions you may have.

I now implore you to watch this: members.beforeitsnews.com...

Reading the article, and skimming through the vid, all that is being presented is the same old rhetoric. I did not watch the whole vid, so if there is some "smoking gun" evidence, please let me know at what time it appears.

The evidence is overwhelming that the phenomenon exists,

What is your basis for this statement? "What in the World are they Spraying?"? Please, if you read the link from contrail science debunking this video, and actually research what contrail science is asserting, you may be quite amazed at what you will find out.

maybe if you spend 1 day outside of your basement instead of playing WOW you'd see them.

Thanks for the ad hominen attack, it's very telling of your character.
Curiously, why did you do that? Usually when people resort to such tactics, it is a result of their own incompetence of the subject matter that is being debated.

Furthermore, you might get pissed off after realizing you're breathing this shiit 24/7 - like me now..

I don't get angry at things that have no scientific merit. I do get angry at having to breath bad things that are provable, like car emissions though.

Peace and good luck on your objective research that i'm sure you're aching to start on

Sorry, I already started that research in the 90's when I went to ground school.