Progressive's and Tea partiers

I was at this meeting having to do with peace and all that right. We spilt into two different groups to do this excercise. (not actual aerobics or anything like that a learning thing. We get bacvk into the one big group to tell what we learned. And this lady says well we talked about how progressives and tea party people arand there state of mind. we took the side of the progressives well because were all ladies and were progressive. She went on to say that they wished they had a tea party perspective there.

So I appoarched the lady said well I remember you saying that you wished you had a tea party person well I will take that perspective. she said okay. I started by saying what is it that you don;t understand about tea partiers. She said how they don;t understand. I asked they don;t understand what? progressives? She said they just dont understand people and everything in general. I said well tea party people feel that there rights and liberties are being taken away and trampled do progressive's feel that way too? She said yes. I said do you think that tea partiers and progressive's can come together on that fact, that we both feel that our rights and liberties are being taken? She said yes.

I went on to say that there is going to be deviseness there but would it be possible to leave that devisiveness there and move beyond that and come together on the fact that our rights and liberties are at stake. Because without our rights and liberites we can;t move forward on other issues.

So what do YOU think will progressives and tea partier's be able to come together and gain back inalienable right and liberties or will the system/Empire continue to divide and conquer?

what rights are being taken away? i am 44 and i haven't felt any of my rights dissolve away yet...fear mongering much?

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I guess you have not been paying attention. The US government can come into your home without a warrant. Arrest you. Torture you. Hold you without trial for as long as they like. "legally"
Just because it has not happened to you personally does not mean that it can't, or won't. Go try and peacefully protest and see if you feel the same way.

As far at the thread go I think there is common ground. I believe that anti-war, anti-globalization, anti-corporate far left have a great deal in common with the libertarian right. Both sides are strongly opposed to the warfare state, and the police state. Really everything else is secondary in importance right now. Not that the rest is not dire, but only less dire. Who cares if you want a welfare state or not. You will never have it as long as the empire rules the world. Just like you will never have sound fiscal policy with an imperialist foreign policy. Your never gonna have workers rights, or individual liberty in a police state.
If everyone was not so busy proving who can piss farther we would see the common ground. It really is the only chance the country has. That right/left paradigm is quite a good way to keep people impotent. The natural human desire to prove someone wrong, and glorify the ego never seems to end. Even when our livelihood is at stake. The worse things get the more we attack our political opposites as if they are responsible.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
what rights are being taken away? i am 44 and i haven't felt any of my rights dissolve away yet...fear mongering much?

WHAT !? Is this a serious statement or are you simply being cute ? "Search"
In the above tool bar should prove highly enlightening.

i am a law abiding citizen...the govt CAN do a lot of things however...it hasn't... my rights have never been infringed upon. in fact i am more free today than i was 20 or 30 years ago...

i do as i like when i like and never ever has the govt. came down on me... has it happened to you? or anyone you actually know?

i have my own business, i pay for my own insurance... etc. govt hasnt taken anything away from me personally ever.

i actually agree with you however, when you make nonspecific statements like "govt is taking away our rights" without documenting what the blazes you are talking about specifically, you sound no better than one of televisions talking heads, full of the one liners and fear mongering that goes with that crowd.

so we are turning into a "welfare state" hmmm i'm not on welfare are you? do you see my point? a Troll sees this type of post and it is party time. learn to make your arguments and prove your points... i could have milked outrage from you for at least half a dozen more posts.

i say this to instruct you not to anger you.

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Hahahaha all I can do is laugh "what rights have been taking away"? hahahahah.

as long as there is an R or a D in the white house we will continue to lose our rights until finally the corporations own the world openly.

Behold, progressive libertarians

Originally posted by American-philosopher
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Hahahaha all I can do is laugh "what rights have been taking away"? hahahahah.

Let's start with the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the right to free speech, the right to peaceably assemble and for the petitioning of government for a redress of grievances.

Los Angeles gets tough with political protesters For acts of political protest that his predecessor treated as mere infractions, Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich is seeking jail time.

Source

Should we move on to the Second Amendment? The right to keep and bear arms...




We can skip the Third Amendment for now. It prohibits, in peacetime, the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent.

Let's go to the Fourth Amendment, the right which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures when the searched party has a "reasonable expectation of privacy"




Need I keep going? Your rights aren't being taken away all at once, they are being slowly encroached upon. One day you will wake up and find them gone and wonder how it happened if you don't see what's happening now.

those are not federal officers i see in those clips those are local cops and state troopers...yell at your states for being complicit in taking away your rights remember each state is responsible for its actions. how about getting angry at your govs and state officials for playing into the hands of the feds instead of blaming the feds for taking advantage of weak useless state officials.

despite the good intentions of the tea partiers they ARE a branch of the republican party...

i speak of those leading the movement and those elected by the tea partiers...not the average citizen. every news outlet that i have watched has stated this

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I love the "I havent been bothered so nothing is wrong" crowd. Most Germans in Nazi Germany werent bothered either....as long as you werent a Jew, a Gypsy, a Homosexual....you were pretty much left alone.

So I gather that the only way people like you will even consider the FACT that they are whittling away at our rights and freedoms every day is when they come for YOU personally. But dont worry, those that could help you will probanbly say.....they havent bothered me yet so screw him.

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Progressives and Tea Party people see the same problems.
They just have different solutions to those same problems.

Tea Party wants less government control and a return to personal responsibiliy.

Progressives see government taking a more active role in determining what we can do with our lives.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
what rights are being taken away?

survivalstation gave you a good starting point. Unfortunately, he actually could have kept going with more.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
i am 44 and i haven't felt any of my rights dissolve away yet

That's the idea. Ever heard the old tale regarding boiling a frog? Toss a frog into a pot of boiling water and they'll jump out immediately; however, put one in a pot of room temperature water, then slowly start turning up the heat, and it acclimatizes to the gradual change. By the time the frog realizes something is wrong (if it even does at all) it's too late.

The disconnect is in the fact that you're failing to realize the "rights" you believe you still possess have largely transitioned into "privileges"; and, since you're still allowed to utilize those privileges, you never "felt" any change.

Originally posted by CaDreamer
...fear mongering much?

Waking up to the fact that your "rights" have been replaced with "privileges" can be a scary realization. I wish you the best through that transition.

Progresives and tea partiers have more in common than some like to admit.

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is there goiing to be a solution that both tea party and progressive's can agree to?

Originally posted by American-philosopher
I was at this meeting having to do with peace and all that right. We spilt into two different groups to do this excercise. (not actual aerobics or anything like that a learning thing. We get bacvk into the one big group to tell what we learned. And this lady says well we talked about how progressives and tea party people arand there state of mind. we took the side of the progressives well because were all ladies and were progressive. She went on to say that they wished they had a tea party perspective there.

So I appoarched the lady said well I remember you saying that you wished you had a tea party person well I will take that perspective. she said okay. I started by saying what is it that you don;t understand about tea partiers. She said how they don;t understand. I asked they don;t understand what? progressives? She said they just dont understand people and everything in general. I said well tea party people feel that there rights and liberties are being taken away and trampled do progressive's feel that way too? She said yes. I said do you think that tea partiers and progressive's can come together on that fact, that we both feel that our rights and liberties are being taken? She said yes.

I went on to say that there is going to be deviseness there but would it be possible to leave that devisiveness there and move beyond that and come together on the fact that our rights and liberties are at stake. Because without our rights and liberites we can;t move forward on other issues.

So what do YOU think will progressives and tea partier's be able to come together and gain back inalienable right and liberties or will the system/Empire continue to divide and conquer?

Umm.. Progressives are the enemy of Tea Party. It is like saying the USA(Tea Party) should align with Nazi Germany (Progressives) to rescue the people being tortured and killed by the Nazi Regime(Progressive Top Circle). It is just nonsensical.