Do you want to take a leap of faith?

Because if you do we can have a better chance of disclosure.

We need a movement. We need to organise. We need to gather what we think are :

The best cases,
The best examples of hoaxers to show we're not stupid,
The best details of what we think are disinformation,
The best details of what we think are cover-ups.

And then do you know what we need to do? We need to get out onto the streets and protest.

Do you like the sound of that? Because if you don't maybe you need to shed a few layers of fear.

Protesting can move this on, because if we do that people will start asking who we are and what we're protesting about. And that in turn will get all the millions of people that want this to happen to sit up and take notice, and the people that don't take notice to look into this field further. I don't care at all how crazy you think I am for this idea, disclosure from governments just isn't going to happen by the looks of it. And if we protest we can move this on.

I'm not talking about a protest where we all gather first time and everything works out, I'm talking war of attrition style, something that we'd need to be dedicated to and carry on for a long period of time to build up numbers. The first protest will be scoffed at as a joke, but over time, as people see we're doing it, many more will join. Protest, hand out leaflets, make people think, do exactly what the powers that be least want us to do, and do it in numbers in the capital cities of every country we're in.

If you think that's a bad idea I'd love to know why. Do we have the courage to do this? Or do we keep "believing in UFO's" something that we try to keep quiet and just type about on forums and blogs?


For the mods : this is not an attempt to start any type of group. Just something I've had on my mind. I'm not trying to gather anyone, just saying what I think we need. I'm not asking people to organise on here, or start anything from here, am just seeing what people think.

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Have you watched the coverage of the UFO/Disclosure conference at the National Press CLub?

They organized many of the top cases and witnesses, then laid it out there.

Similar to what you are referring to, without the street protests. The only problem I would see with a protest based movement is that it would not get widespread coverage, due to the perceived aura around the UFO/Alien subjet in the general public.

It is a good idea and I may be very wrong about such a movement not recieveing(?) much coverage.

Maybe if a lot of the most powerful people were kidnapped and held at our own Guantanamo camp, water-boarded daily and then made to tell what they know... or hold them until the governments came clean with what would be satifactory.

The problem with that, besides the sheer stupidity of kidnapping anyone, let alone top ranking members of government would be if the governments would just say 'go ahead, let them die or just keep them forvever, the topic is too important to disclose..... or even worse, go through all that trouble to find that the government really has nothing to disclose that is groundbreaking, society changing info.

Fantasy talk ofcourse, maybe peaceful protests would have a profound effect. It just seems that if the government doesn't want you to know, you won't

Apparently they even have protocols on how to lie to the public when a situation arises, to keep hysteria or general knowledge from breaking into the masses.

Information like that would definitely change life, and the way we live it on Earth, forever after.

Are you ready for the consequences of such knowledge? I am fairly certain, while many would be able to handle such lifestyle devastating news, there is a large portion of the population that just couldn't handle the news of 'aliens are real, they have been visiting for years and continue to this day'

Complete breakdown of society as you and I currently know it.

Good or Bad?

Best thing I can think is once everything you asked is required then people start an Anonymous style campaign minus the hacking or cyber wars.

Make mention that it's not seeking proof per se, more like seeking truth of whaat might be out there, what we may not know, that we'd still be open to cases that we don't know have been proven false by authorities without disclosing evidence to us before. That way people don't come off to the general public as UFO believing nutjobs.

I'd also say maybe try not to shout from the rooftops that we want a definite existence proven because again, it's outright suggesting "we want proof of aliens and UFOs, give it to us". Wanna come off as neutral and get the info you want? Word it a different way before gooing to whoever you're asking for a file, a document, whatever.

Also I guess a movement to work successfully in attaining such knowledge would require a small crack team that can be trusted if any information if rescinded from authorities. ATS is a great place so I'd say perhaps som top level staff and even one of the owners as well as certain members of the forums.

That way, instead of putting forth Excitable Johnny who would take such info and immeediately post on Youtube and other websites to cause a panic (or look insane, whichever) and help discredit the group from finding out anything more, we acknowledge to everybody that unless those few people state "we're gonna let you in on this" and post in the public (this section of the forum as a more likely candidate due to subject matter), they keep the more mind blowing stuff behind closed doors within the trusted group allowed to know such things.

Obviously if something is life threatening then it would also help if a trusted member of ATS were able to post it on the forums where all members could see to ensure that it isn't called hoax from the off but otherwise, do with it as they will.

Just some suggestions, apologies if it doesn't make sense but I back you up on the sentiment at least.

I applaud your enthusiasm - however, may I suggest that one way forward without the need for protest would be to wear your belief on your sleeve. Jehova's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Catholics and Protestants all believe in something which huge swathes of the global population don't, or they otherwise disagree with. So how come they have their beliefs catered for and enshrined in legislation? Because they don't hide their beliefs - they wear them on their sleeve. In casual conversation they are not afraid to mention their beliefs and it gets noticed, look at the way the State and Society supports them. Sometimes I think that's all that is needed - The American Govt (just as an example) pander politically to the Bible Belt - not because of their beliefs but because of the number of people who hold those beliefs - it all equals votes. Once it's known just how many of us there are (and I completely agree with you in this respect about handing out leaflets - organising meetings etc) then we become something they need to retain power. Then they start whistling to our tune. Not enough of us confess in our everyday lives that we believe in 'Aliens'. More so Aliens who have, and are still, visiting Earth.

Oz

Originally posted by esteay812
Are you ready for the consequences of such knowledge? I am fairly certain, while many would be able to handle such lifestyle devastating news, there is a large portion of the population that just couldn't handle the news of 'aliens are real, they have been visiting for years and continue to this day'

Complete breakdown of society as you and I currently know it.

Good or Bad?

Yeah I've thought about this a lot, and I don't act in many situations because I realise I don't have any idea of the consequences. This though, I genuinely believe is something that will help over time.

I'm not talking about marching into capitals and disclosure happening, more that a presence of protesters should nudge things in our favour. It will likely still take years, but that's the whole point : how dedicated are we? Really, when it comes down to it, what are we prepared to do? The population of the planert would have time to adapt as the protests carry on, it will likely take years. And if we can't adapt in years to something that hundreds of millions of people already believe, then I think we have more serious issues than disclosure.

So in short : I don't think it's about a complete breakdown of society, rather a big adjustment, but over a decent enough period of time.

Originally posted by Ozscot
I applaud your enthusiasm - however, may I suggest that one way forward without the need for protest would be to wear your belief on your sleeve. Jehova's Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims, Catholics and Protestants all believe in something which huge swathes of the global population don't, or they otherwise disagree with. So how come they have their beliefs catered for and enshrined in legislation? Because they don't hide their beliefs - they wear them on their sleeve. In casual conversation they are not afraid to mention their beliefs and it gets noticed, look at the way the State and Society supports them. Sometimes I think that's all that is needed - The American Govt (just as an example) pander politically to the Bible Belt - not because of their beliefs but because of the number of people who hold those beliefs - it all equals votes. Once it's known just how many of us there are (and I completely agree with you in this respect about handing out leaflets - organising meetings etc) then we become something they need to retain power. Then they start whistling to our tune. Not enough of us confess in our everyday lives that we believe in 'Aliens'. More so Aliens who have, and are still, visiting Earth.

Oz

Also a great idea, and really well put. I think you're totally right with that.

Originally posted by curious7
Best thing I can think is once everything you asked is required then people start an Anonymous style campaign minus the hacking or cyber wars.

Make mention that it's not seeking proof per se, more like seeking truth of whaat might be out there, what we may not know, that we'd still be open to cases that we don't know have been proven false by authorities without disclosing evidence to us before. That way people don't come off to the general public as UFO believing nutjobs.

I'd also say maybe try not to shout from the rooftops that we want a definite existence proven because again, it's outright suggesting "we want proof of aliens and UFOs, give it to us". Wanna come off as neutral and get the info you want? Word it a different way before gooing to whoever you're asking for a file, a document, whatever.

Also I guess a movement to work successfully in attaining such knowledge would require a small crack team that can be trusted if any information if rescinded from authorities. ATS is a great place so I'd say perhaps som top level staff and even one of the owners as well as certain members of the forums.

That way, instead of putting forth Excitable Johnny who would take such info and immeediately post on Youtube and other websites to cause a panic (or look insane, whichever) and help discredit the group from finding out anything more, we acknowledge to everybody that unless those few people state "we're gonna let you in on this" and post in the public (this section of the forum as a more likely candidate due to subject matter), they keep the more mind blowing stuff behind closed doors within the trusted group allowed to know such things.

Obviously if something is life threatening then it would also help if a trusted member of ATS were able to post it on the forums where all members could see to ensure that it isn't called hoax from the off but otherwise, do with it as they will.

Just some suggestions, apologies if it doesn't make sense but I back you up on the sentiment at least.

It makes sense completely, but when you bring in ATS staff that's actually one thing I was trying to avoid, because we can't bring any type of movement specifically onto here, or involve the site.

So in other words we can discuss this here, but any type of organisation from this forum or site can't be done.

Honestly I was thinking more along the lines of a staff member here (trusted one, willing one) could be part of it but not have the activities of the group brought to ATS unles it really is life changing/affirming.

Kinda like how Christian friends of mine have their religious talk in their own groups and in conversation but don't take those discussions into work with them. Or a prison guard not talking about prisoners at home but does in the staff canteen during work hours with his own group who experience the same thing.

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Im down for protesting. I live in Ontario so Toronto would be best for me. if somehow we could organize big simultaneous protests in 6 major cities, possibly 3/4 countries. they MSM could not ignore it, and could not play it down as a localized or small group protest. but an actual serious movement.

Originally posted by curious7
Honestly I was thinking more along the lines of a staff member here (trusted one, willing one) could be part of it but not have the activities of the group brought to ATS unles it really is life changing/affirming.

Kinda like how Christian friends of mine have their religious talk in their own groups and in conversation but don't take those discussions into work with them. Or a prison guard not talking about prisoners at home but does in the staff canteen during work hours with his own group who experience the same thing.

Cool, I just think the mods here are a bit wary incase it seems like anything different, and I'm hoping the thread can stay in here so thought I'd say.

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No trouble, always best to be wary and such.

Street protests.....I'd like to say that it could work but considering anti-war people outside the Houses of Parliament for a decade with people walking past and ignoring them, I'm inclined to think that perhaps that may not work so well.

Ufology is ideal for the internet and vice versa, integral even so doing it online as Anonymous do I think would be much more beneficial but as I said, without the people involved being made out as terrorists by the MSM as Anonymous are.

Originally posted by OUNjahhryn
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Im down for protesting. I live in Ontario so Toronto would be best for me. if somehow we could organize big simultaneous protests in 6 major cities, possibly 3/4 countries. they MSM could not ignore it, and could not play it down as a localized or small group protest. but an actual serious movement.

I think the best thing to do for now is see what people think of the idea and take this thread as a type of theory? Then no matter what happens to the thread we can at least remember eachothers names and pm or something if the worst happens to let eachother know a source of contact elsewhere on the net.

Originally posted by curious7
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No trouble, always best to be wary and such.

Street protests.....I'd like to say that it could work but considering anti-war people outside the Houses of Parliament for a decade with people walking past and ignoring them, I'm inclined to think that perhaps that may not work so well.

Ufology is ideal for the internet and vice versa, integral even so doing it online as Anonymous do I think would be much more beneficial but as I said, without the people involved being made out as terrorists by the MSM as Anonymous are.

Anonymous are great at getting protests going as well though. I went down to London for one of the Scientology ones and that went really well. Anyway, incase this thread is dumped, something like this might be useful : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just to add as well : I don't actually 'like' the idea of protesting, nor am I enthusiastic about the idea of having to do it. I just don't see many other ways. Hopefully we won't have to and a better idea will come up, but it's at least interesting to see what people think.

I applaud your enthusiasm. I beleive if information was released concerning UFO's and ET's were to be released by the nations, a majority of the population would have a breakdown and there would be mass hysteria. It would be nice for them to release their information in regards but it is highly unlikely no matter how large your protest is. Due to the mass amount of ignorant people in the world who would rather beleive the world is flat. How sad.

Originally posted by Tyrannus
I applaud your enthusiasm. I beleive if information was released concerning UFO's and ET's were to be released by the nations, a majority of the population would have a breakdown and there would be mass hysteria.

Maybe a few decades ago, but look at how we've moved on in so many areas. Don't over half of the population of the US already think there's a UFO cover-up? The next thing is getting that info and working it out for as many countries as possible, then thinking about it again. What's the percentage in the UK for instance? Germany? India? Brazil? And as time passes more people should be open to it.

Like I said, if this happened (I admit looking back at this thread now and wondering if I've jumped the gun a bit.) it would never change things instantly, but if you look at it like there is something actually going on and TPTB are already slowly preparing us for something, the protests might not be such a bad idea at all. They could in fact be just a natural part of this whole process, that a few years down the line might be one of the many things that lead to the truth finding its way out.

A true leap of faith is jumping out of an airplane at 10,000 feet without a parachute with the intention of learning to fly before you hit the ground.

on an equal footing with that is listening to an open-ended rabble rouser seeking an agenda. i think i'll stay on the plane. it's easy to take off on flights of fantasies but i have found them to be just landing patterns with entertainment.

Originally posted by debris765nju
on an equal footing with that is listening to an open-ended rabble rouser seeking an agenda. i think i'll stay on the plane. it's easy to take off on flights of fantasies but i have found them to be just landing patterns with entertainment.

Go on then, humour me. Explain this further.

I'll admit that I'd had a few to drink last night and was in a bad place. So reading the thread opener again makes me cringe, but the idea still seems solid to me. I've got a date set in my head and a plan of how to go about it that will probably work. The only things left to do are to firstly have a proper think about whether or not this would really be worth it, and second working out where in London to protest. But if I think it's worth it, I'll try doing it. So there's not really any flight of fantasy there at all.

So maybe the drink and bad mood caused the rabble-rousing bit, but what's the agenda you're speaking of?

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OK!

Stuff it, I can't defend it any longer. I don't think the idea is solid at all. Am putting it down to drink and a bad mood last night. If others want to pursue it, fine, but I'm out.

Your "open ended rabble rouser comment seeking an agenda" seemed trollish and that got my back up to make my previous reply, but was it any worse than the post that opened the thread? Probably not.

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it sounds like you want to start a 'grass roots' movement and that you need a purpose. i see you carrying a sign that says "STOP (fill in the blank) NOW. who, what, when, where, why and how are missing so it's kind of hard to get behind a movement that has no direction.

Originally posted by debris765nju
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it sounds like you want to start a 'grass roots' movement and that you need a purpose. i see you carrying a sign that says "STOP (fill in the blank) NOW. who, what, when, where, why and how are missing so it's kind of hard to get behind a movement that has no direction.

Ok, thanks. Well I just responded again before you made this reply so I'm done basically. I dun goofed. Cheers for the reply though.

This may sound very judgemental but I don't know how else to say it. The focus of such a demonstration would have to be very firm, only dealing with getting world governments to acknowledge that there is in fact an unknown phenomena happening and thus opening a door for real science to go through and find out what that unkown is. We would have to leave individual beliefs aside and save them for after any kind of acknowledgement. My reason for this stance is the mainstream will not acknowledge to any significant degree abduction stories, contactee stories any kind of religious slant, conspiracy angle or alien agenda theories (true or not this is part of what holds us back). In fact it may be best to leave aliens/interdimensional beings out of it all together. I truly think the key to getting the door open is to say, there is something unkown and we want to know what it is.