Harsh words for US and Israel at Iranian revolution rallies

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As always, this must be taken in the context of a politician spewing lines that they (or their speech writers) believe will give him the most political gain.

Some of the snippets:

"If you want people to trust you, first of all do not interfere in affairs of the region, including in Tunisia and Egypt. Let them be by themselves," he said.

It would seem that it is "game on" for Egypt:

Iran, which has no diplomatic ties with Egypt, has expressed its support to the uprising there, with supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calling for installing an Islamic regime in the Arab nation.

And, what would an Ahmadinejad speech be without:

"Come and take away the Zionist regime which is the source of all crimes... take it away and liberate the region. Free the region and give it to the people and take this regime, which is the child of Satan, out."

Enjoy.

the Billmeister

Reading the article, it seems like the article picked out the most outrageous quotes from Mahmoud. And you have to love how the article inserted that "holocaust denier" snip in as a reminder to note this guy is the enemy. I know it's wrong to point that out but I think I hear "holocaust denier" every time a Western media outlet reports on Mahmoud (of course, what you'll never hear is that Iran has one of the largest population of Jews in the Middle East). Anyway, I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

Originally posted by DevilJin
Reading the article, it seems like the article picked out the most outrageous quotes from Mahmoud. And you have to love how the article inserted that "holocaust denier" snip in as a reminder to note this guy is the enemy. I know it's wrong to point that out but I think I hear "holocaust denier" every time a Western media outlet reports on Mahmoud (of course, what you'll never hear is that Iran has one of the largest population of Jews in the Middle East). Anyway, I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

I don't think it's wrong to point that out.

In many cases, I agree with what Ahmadinejad says.

Again, it must be taken in context, and we must acknowledge that he and his team are very aware of the power of the media. I'm sure that, as it happens here, his team of speech writers and political advisors have determined that the "talking points" that are repeated appeal to his political base.

Politics is no less a game in Iran as it is in the rest of the world.

the Billmeister

Just what Egypt needs:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calling for installing an Islamic regime in the Arab nation.

Yeah, that'll work well~

Originally posted by DevilJin
I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

The same "Muslim leader" who prevented fair elections in his own country, and violated their right to protest??? The same "Muslim leader" who's nation is known for having the second highest execution rate in the world after China??? You're happy that this dictator is showing "solidarity" with people he could care less about?

But hey as long as he is "Muslim".

Give me a break

Originally posted by endlessknowledge

Originally posted by DevilJin
I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

The same "Muslim leader" who prevented fair elections in his own country, and violated their right to protest??? The same "Muslim leader" who's nation is known for having the second highest execution rate in the world after China??? You're happy that this dictator is showing "solidarity" with people he could care less about?

But hey as long as he is "Muslim".

Give me a break

edit on 11-2-2011 by endlessknowledge because: (no reason given)

Yes, that was an interesting card to play from the debatable deck they are holding.

BUT, I'm not sure that we can consider him to be a Muslim (Ahmadinejad, I mean). He is a politician, so his primary religion is politics.

In the same way that political strategists will encourage a western candidate to claim to be a born again Christian (for example) to appeal to a wider voter base, his advisors encourage him to appeal to the popular voting base in his country.

It will be interesting to see just how much effort the west and Iran (and perhaps others) will be putting in the Egyptian situation to try to gain some more strategic influence in the region.

the Billmeister

Originally posted by endlessknowledge

Originally posted by DevilJin
I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

The same "Muslim leader" who prevented fair elections in his own country, and violated their right to protest??? The same "Muslim leader" who's nation is known for having the second highest execution rate in the world after China??? You're happy that this dictator is showing "solidarity" with people he could care less about?

But hey as long as he is "Muslim".

Give me a break

edit on 11-2-2011 by endlessknowledge because: (no reason given)

Oh c'mon, look at the U.S. If you protest here, the media will either not give you any attention or make you out to be extremists. The media is so far a propaganda machine it's not even funny anymore. Our politicians are in the pockets of corporations. Congress is a joke. We have career-politicians. America is supposed to be a super power yet we do not have the balls to stand up to Israel. According to Noam Chomsky, it is possible to win elections based simply on how much money you are willing to spend. Our so-called Democracy has now been stolen and replaced with a corporate dictatorship.

No, you give me a break. All countries are corrupt but a little effort in solidarity should be applauded, especially if it is done by politicians.

Originally posted by endlessknowledge
The same "Muslim leader" who prevented fair elections in his own country, and violated their right to protest?

Let's not try to derail this thread with unpopular facts.


I enjoy a good bit of rhetoric.
I found it refreshing, only mildly tainted this time with their usual over the top myopic holier than thou hypocrisy.

reply to post by DevilJin


Though I agree with your response, I think it's not so much as extremism, but i think that some peoples foundations are more along the lines of Interventionists. They expect their leaders, ( regardless of country) to intervene and take control. And those who oppose are frowned upon, and depicted as isolationists. Regardless though, the very thought that a Islamic Regime could very well be implemented in the Egyptian region, would most likely bring instability. Though I have no conclusive evidence to support my opinion, It's just we have already have seen the lack or failures of sharia law.
That in itself would be the Egyptians undoing.

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I'm not sure what you think you've achieved by criticising the American political system? I made no mention of the US and I most definitely don't support their politics?? So what is your point? The US is corrupt so Iran's solidarity is good? I'm sorry to tell you this but that logic is majorly flawed.

The American politicians us propaganda and so does the Iranian regime and somehow you only see the US propaganda for what it is. There is something wrong with that picture.

Bottom-line is that the dictators of Iran don't give a crap about freedoms in Egypt or even Iran and they're using this crises to push their own agenda and spread their power in the region. Ask Chomsky and he will tell you the same.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Unpopular facts? Ahmadinejad has a massive amount of support in Iran, especially in rural areas...would you care to show me your evidence that without a doubt proves the election was rigged? If it is a fact then it shouldn't be too hard to conclusively prove.

Originally posted by endlessknowledge
reply to post by DevilJin

 

I'm not sure what you think you've achieved by criticising the American political system? I made no mention of the US and I most definitely don't support their politics?? So what is your point? The US is corrupt so Iran's solidarity is good? I'm sorry to tell you this but that logic is majorly flawed.

The American politicians us propaganda and so does the Iranian regime and somehow you only see the US propaganda for what it is. There is something wrong with that picture.

Bottom-line is that the dictators of Iran don't give a crap about freedoms in Egypt or even Iran and they're using this crises to push their own agenda and spread their power in the region. Ask Chomsky and he will tell you the same.

I mentioned that ALL government are corrupt. I admitted that Iran has its problems much like the U.S. does, but any positive effort any politician makes should be at least welcomed.

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I will say this for the last time...This is NOT a positive effort. It is a propaganda and it's created to spread power over the region. The same type of propaganda that you were complaining about earlier. This time however, the propaganda might suit your agenda and you're welcoming it with open arms.

Objectivity is a scarce quality these days.


BTW, I have a hunch that you might be Muslim, am I correct?

reply to post by endlessknowledge


Are you suggesting that the Egyptian fiasco was a coup, much like Iran's presidents words were? To suggest more of a military complex take over in that region? Just curious~

reply to post by Whereweheaded


No, not at all. All I'm saying is that the Iranian regime is using this crises to spread their power over the region. They could care less about the Egyptians or even their own citizens. All they care for is power. Period.

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Unpopular facts? Ahmadinejad has a massive amount of support in Iran, especially in rural areas...would you care to show me your evidence that without a doubt proves the election was rigged? If it is a fact then it shouldn't be too hard to conclusively prove.

I noticed you ignored the very real part about preventing protests.

Have we that short of memory?
12th person out last to know?
Agenda...?



Here are those massive crowds of Ahmadinejad supporters.....> NOT

Some of these people paid for their beliefs with blood and others their lives. So while everybody has a right to their opinions on Egypt being perceived as a good thing because it was a dictatorship never mind that fact the Iran is also gripped by another form of equally tyrannical rule...

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Like this despot Ahmedidntwin has a leg to stand on...

This pervert of a politician is simply trying to make hay out of Egypts victory...

First thing Egypt should do is tell Iran to STFU

reply to post by SLAYER69


These pictures don't answer the question i asked, which was to show me definitive proof that the elections were rigged. There are nearly 80 million people in Iran and roughly 75% of them voted in the elections...Again, you stated it was a fact so showing me the evidence should be no trouble, and may i just say this cheap, lazy minded approach of completely avoiding my question and instead posting provocative pics to play on emotions and completely disregard what i asked is quite low.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Well said Slayer

It funny how many so called "inform" people joined the Ahmainejad fan club when he started speaking-out against the US. Reminds me of the expression...The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

reply to post by DevilJin

Anyway, I for one believe it is good to hear a Muslim leader speak in support of the Egyptian people, show some solidarity regardless of whether it is for political gain or not.

First of all, he is a muslim puppet. A shame really as he might have pushed social reforms on the country were he not the puppet.

Oh c'mon, look at the U.S. If you protest here, the media will either not give you any attention or make you out to be extremists.

Where I reside I am free to "protest". Iranians are not free to protest. Heck, if I had lived in Iran and had the big mouth I have now I would most likely be in jail or worse. In the US you have rappers that can say whatever they want about their government, in Iran you have rappers that are not ALLOWED to say anything about politics. It's obvious you have been tricked by propaganda.

reply to post by DevilJin

All countries are corrupt but a little effort in solidarity should be applauded, especially if it is done by politicians.

NO. Because solidarity is BULLCRAP when your own people are dying on the streets. When you halt your own peoples progression. Simply said: They are bullcrapping.


reply to post by Solomons

Unpopular facts? Ahmadinejad has a massive amount of support in Iran, especially in rural areas...

Water is liquid between 0 and 100 degrees Celsius.

but WHY?

WHY is Ahmadinejad popular in rural areas? I bet you can't give me the answer. But here it is for you:

When he was running for presidency, he ordered a bunch of farmers to stop producing their own crops and start producing potatoes. He then handed out a couple kilo's(5 or 20?) of potatoes to EVERYONE that would vote for him. Now, you can guess, where the most hungry and ignorant people live, city...or rural areas? Furthermore, the rural areas are mostly populated by ignorant religious folk that would vote for anything with the tag "Muslim" or "Islam". It's okay that you fall for propaganda as long as you can get up afterwards.

reply to post by DevilJin

I admitted that Iran has its problems much like the U.S. does, but any positive effort any politician makes should be at least welcomed.

NO EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE.

reply to post by Solomons

These pictures don't answer the question i asked, which was to show me definitive proof that the elections were rigged.

Don't debate this issue with a person that is ignorant on Iranian issues like Slayer69(he follows Western propaganda while his counterpart-extremists follow Eastern propaganda), rather, debate it with me. To the argument you just made, there are more than a couple of ways to rig elections. One of them is propaganda.

What you need to do is look at the percentages of people that voted for him in different areas(rural/urban/suburban), take a look at income, religion(why even bother), take a look at populations(Iran is not only inhabited by Iranians) etc. etc. in order to make a balanced judgement on whether or not the election was 'rigged'. In my opinion, one way an election is rigged is if one party manages to fool(by ways of propaganda) all the lesser intellectual minds into voting for said party, as the lesser intellectual people always outnumber the intellectuals(those who have a clue).

Like the Romans handed out bread to the poor for votes or gave them tickets to games at the Colosseum to buy their votes.

reply to post by endlessknowledge

Well said Slayer

It funny how many so called "inform" people joined the Ahmainejad fan club when he started speaking-out against the US.

He didn't say anything well, he's just jumping on popular bandwagons. You're both most definately not INFORMED.