The $Dollar$ in crisis...

US DOLLAR to CHINEESE YUAN.. needs no explanation.
www.google.com...

DOW JONES IND.. still climbing?
www.google.com... EXDJX%3A.DJI&ntsp=0

DOLLARS per WEIGHT IN GOLD...about to set a record.
www.blanchardonline.com...

Im no finance scholar.... but i see this as being "unprecedented" as tbtb would say. Aren't Clinton and 270 other US ambassadors and council members meeting this week in DC? (an unprecedented event in its own right).

Any thoughts?

reply to post by elmotox

You are not wrong. Its by no accident and I genuinly believe its manipulated. Buy sds?

reply to post by G.A.G.


What is manipulated? the DOW? im interested to know more.

What is sds and what is the benefit to buying it?

Thanks for the reply, appreciate your input.

Also following this thread on the DC meeting.. www.abovetopsecret.com...
if anyone is interested

reply to post by elmotox


Of course the DOW is manipulated. It's very existence proves this. It's merely 30 stocks, which are somehow supposed to be a major index..indication of economic status for US companies. They can be removed or added to manipulate the value. Besides this, look into high-frequency trading, or the plunge protection team. It's just a legal casino, and the "house" always wins.

Redundant post

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by elmotox

 

Of course the DOW is manipulated. It's very existence proves this. It's merely 30 stocks, which are somehow supposed to be a major index..indication of economic status for US companies. They can be removed or added to manipulate the value. Besides this, look into high-frequency trading, or the plunge protection team. It's just a legal casino, and the "house" always wins.

Thank you for your input! i had a feeling something of this nature was the explanation i would receive but i was hoping i could hear GAGs personal explanation. "of course the dow is manipulated" -- "of course" why? is this widely known public knowledge? have a nice day

reply to post by elmotox


Yes, of course it is.

Public knowledge?? I guess that depends what public community you're hanging around.

I think you need an above average IQ & EQ to see the world, and the global systems for how it is.

Lot's of high EQ or high IQ people out there that can't manage to put the pieces together.

The high IQ + high EQ people are sprinkled around just about every industry, though.

I would guess that some communities are more likely to have an abundance of these two than others.

So, it depends.

please remove post

Originally posted by elmotox

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by elmotox

 

Of course the DOW is manipulated. It's very existence proves this. It's merely 30 stocks, which are somehow supposed to be a major index..indication of economic status for US companies. They can be removed or added to manipulate the value. Besides this, look into high-frequency trading, or the plunge protection team. It's just a legal casino, and the "house" always wins.

Thankyou and well said! I am in full agreement with your assertions.

Originally posted by G.A.G.

Originally posted by elmotox

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by elmotox

 

Of course the DOW is manipulated. It's very existence proves this. It's merely 30 stocks, which are somehow supposed to be a major index..indication of economic status for US companies. They can be removed or added to manipulate the value. Besides this, look into high-frequency trading, or the plunge protection team. It's just a legal casino, and the "house" always wins.

Thankyou and well said! I am in full agreement with your assertions.

Thank you G.A.G; you both hold similar assertions but the tone of response varied so greatly. I appreciated your PM and it was very informative but i was not allowed to respond. Demonstrates the wide variation between IQ and EQ as unityemissions stated above.

edit on 9-2-2011 by elmotox because: username edit

reply to post by elmotox


Well, please excuse the bluntness of my statements. It's just how I am. I see you process via feelings as a dominant function. I'm slightly more of a thinker than feeler, so can see that you may interpret my responses as being a bit cold.

My apologies and I hope you have a nice day as well

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by elmotox

 

I see you process via feelings as a dominant function. I'm slightly more of a thinker than feeler, so can see that you may interpret my responses as being a bit cold.

No apology necessary. You continue to make assumptions (comparisons) about either intelligence level or emotional aspects based on less than 5 posts on an alternative news site. EQ + IQ.... like you said.

reply to post by elmotox


Sorry, but I'm not following your reasoning. I can interpret these statements to mean multiple things, but they don't seem to jive together. Would you mind explaining what you wrote a little more thoroughly?

I'd rather do this in PM, so as not to hog this thread (think I already did that!!) , but notice you don't yet have enough posts for that, so feel free to speak your mind here if you please.

The dollar is in deep and it has been for some time.
It may hang on for a while longer but as soon as the rest of the world gets fed up and goes ahead with the "basket currency" concept and starts trading for oil in something besides the dollar....it'll be all over.

Originally posted by unityemissions
Of course the DOW is manipulated. It's very existence proves this. It's merely 30 stocks, which are somehow supposed to be a major index..indication of economic status for US companies. They can be removed or added to manipulate the value. Besides this, look into high-frequency trading, or the plunge protection team. It's just a legal casino, and the "house" always wins.

excellent assessment
star 4 u

and ur right
the DOW has been manipulated daily
at least since 9/11.

It takes it ups and downs so it's big boys
can make money off predicting those changes.
It's exactly like a rigged pair of dice at
a Las Vegas casino. You can not beat the house.
The only way to win

is NOT play

I think the "rising" Dow has more to do with inflation than actual economic strength or growth. It's not as if these companies and their shares are doing so well that they're worth MORE, I think it is that the dollar is losing ground so quickly and so badly, that it is worth so much LESS.

I no longer believe that the Dow is directly manipulated. I think it is indirectly manipulated thanks to globalization and the devaluation of the dollar. Most, if not all, of the corporations on the DJI have massive holdings and assets firmed outside the USA. Those assets and holdings have actually increased in US dollar value because of the Fed devaluing the currency via the quantitative easing (an apt name considering the slowly progressing reaming that action is giving the American people) program. As a result, a liquid Asian asset held by company XYZ which was valued at $100 Mil or 825 Mil Yuan in 2000... today it is still considered "worth" 825 Million Yuan, but thanks to the devaluation of the US dollar this relates to $127 Mil US dollars today. This is the SNAFU of modern, non-US centric globalism. The pleebs in the US sit and watch their corporations apparently make massive US dollar profits while they, themselves, see little increase in sallaries and large increases in the price of goods.

Herein lies the rub. People's paychecks are a micro-economic point of exchange. Unless you are vested in the world of international business, you are only dealing with factors within the borders of the US when it comes to the compensation you recieve for your work. Thus, in the eyes of the payroll department see things, you should consider a dollar to always be a dollar. However, globalism has forced the consumer market to go macro-economic, meaning the average American consumer is now competing with nationals who's currency has increased in value vs the US dollar, thus American consumers ultimately pay more for goods than they did 10 years ago.

At some point the US will either have to institute protectionist policies (rather, re-instate the ones which built this nation to greatness in the first place) or tell their citizens "We screwed up and you tax payers and your future generations now are stuck with hind tit status, deal with it." It's pretty sad, actually.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I no longer believe that the Dow is directly manipulated. I think it is indirectly manipulated thanks to globalization and the devaluation of the dollar. Most, if not all, of the corporations on the DJI have massive holdings and assets firmed outside the USA. Those assets and holdings have actually increased in US dollar value because of the Fed devaluing the currency via the quantitative easing (an apt name considering the slowly progressing reaming that action is giving the American people) program. As a result, a liquid Asian asset held by company XYZ which was valued at $100 Mil or 825 Mil Yuan in 2000... today it is still considered "worth" 825 Million Yuan, but thanks to the devaluation of the US dollar this relates to $127 Mil US dollars today. This is the SNAFU of modern, non-US centric globalism. The pleebs in the US sit and watch their corporations apparently make massive US dollar profits while they, themselves, see little increase in sallaries and large increases in the price of goods.

Herein lies the rub. People's paychecks are a micro-economic point of exchange. Unless you are vested in the world of international business, you are only dealing with factors within the borders of the US when it comes to the compensation you recieve for your work. Thus, in the eyes of the payroll department see things, you should consider a dollar to always be a dollar. However, globalism has forced the consumer market to go macro-economic, meaning the average American consumer is now competing with nationals who's currency has increased in value vs the US dollar, thus American consumers ultimately pay more for goods than they did 10 years ago.

At some point the US will either have to institute protectionist policies (rather, re-instate the ones which built this nation to greatness in the first place) or tell their citizens "We screwed up and you tax payers and your future generations now are stuck with hind tit status, deal with it." It's pretty sad, actually.

Heres a scary scenario...U.S. banks go on a so called "bank holiday" for a few days...and low and behold when they re-open, our U.S. dollar is worth 1/6th of what it is on the day the banks closed. That would then make the Chinese yuan and the U.S. dollar virtually "equal in value!!! On topic, I really feel its not impossible, and that may be there ulterior motive and ultimate goal.

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is there a point to speculating further into difference of opinion of each other? your facts have been well received and appreciated. on the other hand your indirect references to ones intelligence and emotional maturity are lacking reason.... the point of this thread is not to discuss differences in understanding of each other.

Originally posted by larphillips
I think the "rising" Dow has more to do with inflation than actual economic strength or growth. It's not as if these companies and their shares are doing so well that they're worth MORE, I think it is that the dollar is losing ground so quickly and so badly, that it is worth so much LESS.

this is exactly the thought i hoped to convey with my links. i just try to remove my personal understanding of things in attempt to get open responses from people. i appreciate your input as well