Hues and Cries Of People Living In Third World Countries !

Reply to post by vinay86

Hello Vinay.
Firstly, I think you've brought up a large amount of amazing points.

I'm guessing you're from India? (because of your name ..I might be wrong..)
You mention the slums and how the MEDC's residents laugh and claim their disgust at it...yes, they do (as seen on that recent thread here of "filthy" pics of India.) But in fact, I know many who've returned absolutely stunned in amazement and have quite the opposite reaction.

It is unsettling about the exploitation of the third world...and it many ways it has changed, especially in culture in many parts (I saw the drastic change when I went India in August.)
You brought the idea how all events usually occur in the first world. Correct...and that to me is rather suspicious.

I personally believe that there is a cycle of power between the MEDCs and LEDCs. Countries like India and China will be the next UK and USA and then it will go around like that in a cycle.

Thank you for your thread. I loved it


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Originally posted by crimvelvet
Make no mistake it is a WAR because as any military person will tell you destroying the enemies supply lines is a first priority in war, declared or undeclared.

War waged by whom on who? Based on the explanation and logic, the US is waging war on its own people?

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Nice research and work on your part. However do you realize that some of the countries that face hunger and poverty existed and dates way back before some of the dates that you have posted in your work? Also it jumps all over the place from Russia to India to USA etc. If there was a definitive plan from the start by both the IMF and UN to use the newly formed/liberated countries only to be milked for profits then why do some of the same countries like India and China are predicted to be the next global economic powers ?

Also do you think the Great Britain (Instead of US) has anything to do with spoiling and destroying a well existed political and economical system in several countries before lets say WWI?

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So very true. I have been to one of these 3rd world countries before and they really do suffer because of our intentions there. I am glad you are bringing some awareness to the situation and hope that someday instead of stealing their resources we can help them help themselves by teaching them the basics of survival and educating them. $&F!

The articles on BBC and HT both clearly indicate where the problem lies (atleast not directly). It is with the Indian Government. This has nothing to do with First World Country or Third World Country. The local politics within India is to be blamed for mismanagement of government sponsored programs for the poor including food rationing. Indian political system is a highly corrupted political system similar to others around the world. So much of the money is pipelined away from its intended purpose via corruption which is rampant and starts all the way from the top to the bottom. The Nutritional Food program was introduced few decades ago in the country and its still a problem as most of the food supplies is stolen and sold in the black market to local shops. I'm sure there is some impact of the UN's policies on any country but lets not forget. UN didn't even exist before the World Wars. The problem of poverty in India is as ancient as its own history.

Below is a link to some information on additional causes of poverty.

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Greed is not a part of human nature. Greed is learned behaviour.

Experts featured in the magnificent Zeitgeist Moving Forward on youtube explain this important point in detail .

reply to post by hp1229

That was a nice research but I have a simple question for you. Do you think the US is the only bread basket in the world?

No I was just trying to keep the answer short and show how the starvation was PLANNED!

Books have been written about this. see: "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation" see review at:
www.smirkingchimp.com...
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However the USA is a key part of it. The World Trade Organization ratification by the US and The EU as well as the 1996 "Freedom to Farm" Act had reprecussions through out the world. The USA does produce 25% of the world's grain. see Major Crops Grown in the United States including world statistics: www.epa.gov...

STEP #1
The WTO meant countries could not protect their farmers from cheap imports using tariffs. The "Freedom to Farm" Act caused farmers in the USA to put back into production acres that were part of the "land bank" since FDR. This flooded the US market with excess grain and cause a large drop in the price. Thanks to farm subsidies the grain was produced at far below production cost. Grain in the USA was snapped up by the international grain traders (Cargill) and sold at below the production cost of third world farmers. This bankrupted those farmers and the land was bought by the Ag Cartel.

The EU also has farm subsidies and was also part of the mess.

STEP #2
A decade later, many of the third world farms have been bankrupted. Mexico lost 75% of her farms and India had the longest sustained rate of suicide know in history, one farmer every 30 minute committed suicide. At this point third world countries could no longer produce their own food supply, so the second phase was initiated.

Bio-fuel and 25X25 became all the rage in the USA. 25X25 was a resolution passed by Congress that in 2025 the USA would supply 25% of her energy needs from her farms and forests. When Congress mandated bio-fuel the price of grain, especially corn skyrocketed. In a year the price of livestock feed corn more than doubled.

The other factor was the newly minted food commodities derivative market that drove the international grain prices sky high. Excerpts of Key Financial News Articles in Major Media at wanttoknow.info show how it was done.

This is the story of how some of the richest people in the world – Goldman, Deutsche Bank, the traders at Merrill Lynch, and more – have caused the starvation of some of the poorest people in the world. At the end of 2006, food prices across the world started to rise, suddenly and stratospherically. Within a year, the price of wheat had shot up by 80 per cent, maize by 90 per cent, rice by 320 per cent. In a global jolt of hunger, 200 million people – mostly children – couldn't afford to get food any more, and sank into malnutrition or starvation.... www.wanttoknow.info...

Former President Clinton told a U.N. gathering Thursday that the global food crisis shows "we all blew it, including me," by treating food crops "like color TVs" instead of as a vital commodity for the world's poor...

Clinton criticized decades of policymaking by the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and others, encouraged by the U.S., that pressured Africans in particular into dropping government subsidies for fertilizer, improved seed and other farm inputs as a requirement to get aid. Africa's food self-sufficiency declined and food imports rose.

Now skyrocketing prices in the international grain trade - on average more than doubling between 2006 and early 2008 - have pushed many in poor countries deeper into poverty.

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

reply to post by hp1229

War waged by whom on who? Based on the explanation and logic, the US is waging war on its own people?

The war is the banker controlled politicians against the rest of the American people. We are just to dumb to see it. However the "war" is also international in scope and there are a lot of players.

On one side you have the wealthy intellectuals (Fabians) who believe in "collectivism" Yes that is correct the bankers and International Cartels are all for "collectivism" as long as THEY are the one in power. For example the European and US bankers Bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution and the Rockefellers had ties with Nazi Germany and I.G. Farben. On the other side is the rest of us or as they call us THE GREAT UNWASHED

Make no mistake they think of us as human "cattle" and have no problem using war, famine, disease or sterilization to thin the "herd"

If you follow the Rockefellers you will see that David Rockefeller states "supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination "

You will find the Rockefellers behind the "Green Revolution" and the use of pesticides and herbicides and monoculture farming. You find the Rockefellers behind Eugenics and the popularization of the "Population explosions" You find them behind the World Bank, the UN and Maurice Strong and the Global Warming scam....

2002 Autobiography by David Rockefeller “Memoirs” [page 405] " Mr. Rockefeller writes: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents... to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world ... If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

Once you start unraveling the threads you will find reality is not what you see in the banker controlled media or what you learned in banker controlled schooling.

reply to post by hp1229

Also do you think the Great Britain (Instead of US) has anything to do with spoiling and destroying a well existed political and economical system in several countries before lets say WWI?

The origin was in Europe.

Remember Paul Warburg, a member of a European banking family, came to the USA for the specific purpose of introducing Central Banking. HE wrote the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and HE was Chairman of the Federal Reserve!

Also JP Morgan gained control of the US media in 1917 and in 1917 the USA entered WWI. Days of Infamy details how Morgan had made loans to France and England and if Germany won he would lose a lot of money. So Morgan, through his man Colonel House who was President Wilson "second personality", plotted with England to sink the Lusitania to give Wilson the excuse to declare war.

The banker/famine connection (IMF/WORLD BANK) is explained quite well in these two articles:
Structural Adjustment Programs

"Today I resigned from the staff of the International Monetary Fund after over 12 years, and after 1000 days of official fund work in the field, hawking your medicine and your bag of tricks to governments and to peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean and Africa. To me, resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind's eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. Mr. Camdessus, the blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers. It dries up too; it cakes all over me; sometimes I feel that there is not enough soap in the whole world to cleanse me from the things that I did do in your name and in the name of your predecessors, and under your official seal. "... www.thirdworldtraveler.com...

As Far as China and India are concerned.

David Rockefeller's protégé, Maurice Strong, is already installed in China as a "Senior Advisor"

In India you already have JPMorgan Chase Bank, Bank of America and others.

WASHINGTON -- A recent analysis of the 2007 financial markets of 48 countries has revealed that the world's finances are in the hands of just a few mutual funds, banks, and corporations. This is the first clear picture of the global concentration of financial power, and point out the worldwide financial system's vulnerability as it stood on the brink of the current economic crisis....
www.insidescience.org...

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I resent the implication that all First World Countries are causing this. Many people have given, and given, and given through the years in order to help these third world countries. These giving people have been deceived by their churches and "benevolent" organizations that were supposed to correct these problems. If these organizations had done with the funds what they deceived people into believing they would be doing, there should not be one hungry unclothed child on this planet.

I think it's time to realize that much responsibility goes to the churches who have lied and the other "benevolent" organizations who have all taken the money generously given by many Americans for years and years, and who have padded their pockets and raised themselves to a luxurious lifestyle with the funds.

Lets put the blame where it really belongs.

The future will be no better if we think we can depend on a system of organizations to run things. They will use food for leverage, just like they are doing right now. Just as Religions have always done in order to dominate and exact loyalty and conversion to their ways. Using food, housing, and the basic essential needs as leverage or reward for compliance is what it will amount to when things are run by a global network. And when that happens those in charge will get to decide who is worthy and who is not. That worthiness will probably be dependent on compliance. There is no freedom in that.

reply to post by vinay86

A wonderful post; so heartfelt. I have seen many people and families begin their own gardens and livestock to help ease the burden of rising costs and I live in a large city. So on that note it has begun, but to unite communities now there's a task. I could easily see smaller communities or spread out communities being successful, but how could large densely populated cities ever manage. All I see is obscene violence. I hate to say that but have little faith that a great number of people could manage the sharing and utilization of limited resources, ie just the ground or space to grow enough, to produce enough food for that great number of people.

And there it is within the last sentence, manage....

Originally posted by crimvelvet
how the starvation was PLANNED!
Books have been written about this. see: "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation"

Thanks for sharing that info, and It is a great book, all of the bio-tech companies in the world are pushing these GM seeds throughout the world, and governments of third world countries are selling out to them, the companies are selling these GM seems by labeling them as super foods that will eradicate hunger and malnourishment. I can't understand their logic, to purge a country from hunger you need to provide better sources of livelihood and not these seeds. Not only these seeds are ruining the farms but also the health of the people eating GM food. Farmers were promised a bumper yield but that also did not happened, resulting in heavy losses and mass suicides.

Fortified super crop to fight hunger : India

New Delhi, February 08, 2011
In its less-than-impressive fight against malnourishment, India is set to deploy a new weapon: super foods from "bio-fortified" crops packed with nutrients. The first of these, high-iron pearl millet, will be introduced in 2011. Indian research facilities are also close to breeding high-zinc wheat and provitamin-A rice and maize.

"Together, they have the potential to improve nutrition of millions," said Kedar Rai, the director of HarvestPlus, part of a globally funded alliance that has introduced super foods in impoverished Sub-Saharan Africa.

HarvestPlus is "biofortifying" seven food crops that can help reduce micronutrient malnutrition or "hidden hunger" globally.

Source.

We are the experimentation grounds of first world countries, we are the guinea pigs, any new stuff is now being tested on us, but than it is deployed all over the world. This is the new strategy, in the name of making food crops nutrient rich they are actually reducing nutrients, and this will cause MASS STARVATION.

as i read this thread, all i hear over and over is this song. yes there is cussing so if you dont like things of that nature, i would advise against hitting the play button.



Immortal technique opened up my eyes immensely.. i guess he took all the profits he made off this mixtape and built schools in 3rd world countries.

As a great prophet once said "This kingdom I speak of is like a mustard seed,the smallest seed you can see,but when it grows it spreads to be the largest ".
So if you seed what you sow then thats why everything is dying,because what is seeded is false,the good seeds are being stored and we are being fed the fake ,depleted nutritionally seed.Scary world we live in and no one has the power to stop it.
Plenty of farmland ready for after a event for the elite.when a top preditor feels threatened what does it do,it makes all the other siblings know it has the first bite of the meal and you,me and everybody else can eat the remains.
Control,control,control.......do you feel free now.Do you feel like someones pet.
Eat your last supper because it may be.The seeds are planted and the wildlife is dying,the prices are rising to pay for the storage of premium stocks,not the stocks you,me and everybody else will are eating
Conservation is on the agenda.,and the evidence by previous posts on this thread reveal it,Not forgetting gulf poisonings from core exit.

reply to post by Alethea

I resent the implication that all First World Countries are causing this. Many people have given, and given, and given through the years in order to help these third world countries. These giving people have been deceived by their churches and "benevolent" organizations that were supposed to correct these problems. If these organizations had done with the funds what they deceived people into believing they would be doing, there should not be one hungry unclothed child on this planet.

I want to answer the points you have brought up here.

I resent the implication that all First World Countries are causing this

This is a very good point.
First it is the LEADERS controlled by the elite that are responsible not the every day people.
Second the Guilt trip is done on PURPOSE to herd us into a chosen direction:

I try to connect the dotted lines here:

I am going to use Maurice Strong to illustrate. He started his career working for the UN and YMCA (Young Men's Christian Assoc) International by the way.

What does Strong tell us, what guilt trip does he lay on us?

Maurice Strong’s address to the opening session of the Rio Conference (Earth Summit II) in 1992:

“…developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class -- involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing -- are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns."

WHO does Strong work for: the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance

What is Strong's Past history?
Strong is a Socialist and served on the Brundtland Commission, headed by Gro Harlem Brundtland, VP of the World Socialist Party. Strong started out working for the Rockefellers in Saudi Arabia in the 1950's and when on to become VP of Dome Petroleum, President of Power Corporation of Canada, Petro Canada and Hydro Canada. So much for Socialists not being capitalists.

Strong's first exposure to the U.N. came in 1947 when, at 18, he went to New York to take a job as assistant pass officer in the Identification Unit of the Security Section. He lived with Noah Monod, then treasurer of the U.N.. Here, he first met David Rockefeller and learned that the U.N.'s funds were handled by Rockefeller's Chase Bank. He also met the other Rockefeller brothers and other influential people as well. SOURCE

(Interesting connections you find when you start turning over rocks to see what slimy things crawl out into the light of day)

But the real kicker is Strong's involvement in the UN FOOD for OIL SCANDAL One of the reasons he is now living in China.

WHAT is one of the goals of the UN - the grab for sovereignty over nations.
The Commission on Global Governance kindly tells us how they plan to do this.

Among those recommendations are specific proposals to expand the authority of the United Nations to provide:

* Global taxation;
* A standing UN army;
* An Economic Security Council;
* UN authority over the global commons;
* An end to the veto power of permanent members of the Security Council;
* A new parliamentary body of "civil society" representatives (NGOs);
* A new "Petitions Council";
* A new Court of Criminal Justice; (Accomplished in July, 1998 in Rome)
* Binding verdicts of the International Court of Justice;
* Expanded authority for the Secretary General.

These proposals reflect the work of dozens of different agencies and commissions over several years, but are now being advanced by the Commission on Global Governance in its report entitled Our Global Neighborhood (Oxford University Press, 1995, ISBN 0-19-827998-3, 410pp).

And what did we have as one of the few bills sponsor by Obama?

A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations. www.aim.org...

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
Reply to post by vinay86

 

Hello Vinay.
Firstly, I think you've brought up a large amount of amazing points.
I'm guessing you're from India? (because of your name

..I might be wrong..)
It is unsettling about the exploitation of the third world...and it many ways it has changed, especially in culture in many parts (I saw the drastic change when I went India in August.)
You brought the idea how all events usually occur in the first world. Correct...and that to me is rather suspicious.
I personally believe that there is a cycle of power between the MEDCs and LEDCs. Countries like India and China will be the next UK and USA and then it will go around like that in a cycle.

Thanks for posting, yes you guessed that right I am from India, I see here both extremely rich and extremely poor classes and the ever widening gap between them. The division of society into rich and poor really disturbs me a lot and both of these classes hate each other too much which is equally painful to see.

In the name of globalization corporations and governments are exploiting people in both first and third world, If there was open trade and cultural interaction between countries, no such thing like poverty would exist. The Indigenous People from third world countries have a vast amount of spiritual knowledge to offer to the world, and people from first world can offer better technologies and infrastructural knowledge to the world. And together we can achieve many great things.

But the prying eyes of the world elite can't let that happen, they want social classes, they want rich people to become part of the rat race of maintaining their rich status, and poverty-stricken to struggle to earn their living. If life becomes a rat race of survival and struggle, than are we really living.

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I see here both extremely rich and extremely poor classes and the ever widening gap between them.

This seems to be the plan. The elite give it different names - like Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and Neoconservatism - but it all comes down to the same thing, the very wealthy elite running the show. Their "pets" getting all sorts of "favoritism" and the rest of the people are reduced to serfs or slaves.

In reality it is high tech Feudalism or Neo-Feudalism where people are stripped of their property rights and the government dictates what "freedom" a person is allowed. Laws are applied differently to different classes of people and independent thinking is squashed.

It will be a return to the dark ages because the more intelligent, think outside the box, innovators will be killed off. One only has to look at the demise of the intelligentsia in Russia and other "collectivist" countries.

It is a real shame because we humans do have the ability to have a reasonable life style if our wealth was not siphoned off by a bunch of Sociopathic saddists.

S&F for effort and an amazing collection of information from both you and crim.

However, my heart no longer bleeds as profusely, and I can no longer even wrap my mind around the enormity of all this. The lines are becoming so blurred.

I believe in the prime directive to a great degree. More and more, I see that if the spark for change and action doesn't come from the people themselves, whatever that change or action might be, no amount of outside assistance or intervention is ever going to work or stick. We should stay out of meddling in other countries until a certain level of self-care is achieved. Maybe I see wrong.

Some places are simply untenable to live and work in. No crops grow, or not enough to sustain your population, no rain falls, no natural resources exist. It's your home, okay, but why choose to hang on to a piece of land at all costs when there are options, especially today, to migrate? Migration's been a standard way for humans to deal and cope for hundreds of thousands of years. If you choose to remain where you are, you accept what you've been dealt.

That and, as someone said, the sheer numbers are simply overwhelming in some countries. Why is it anyone else's problem, humanity's or otherwise that this was allowed to happen? What can even be done about it? Take away from some so that others may barely sustain what they have wrought?

In many cases, people are perfectly happy until outsiders come in to show them what they don't have....god or money or this fast paced "life" that someone has determined is some sort of standard by which to measure everyone. And in most cases when we meddle, we make things far worse.

The worst meddling of all is the capitalists who go in and take advantage and create new markets for themselves and new slaves. They "give" but they can take away just as fast, and what have they "given" really?

Do I like to see children starving? Or disease running rampant? Or people coming in to rob another's natural resources? Of course not. But we can't fix the world, and we certainly can't do it by introducing our own values or by forcing things on people when the time is not right.

Help in the worst of humanitarian crises, but stay away otherwise? Fine line.

This is just the mood I'm in today.

Originally posted by Alethea
reply to post by vinay86

 

I resent the implication that all First World Countries are causing this. Many people have given, and given, and given through the years in order to help these third world countries. These giving people have been deceived by their churches and "benevolent" organizations that were supposed to correct these problems.
I think it's time to realize that much responsibility goes to the churches who have lied and the other "benevolent" organizations who have all taken the money generously given by many Americans for years and years, and who have padded their pockets and raised themselves to a luxurious lifestyle with the funds.

Thanks for posting, I respect your opinions, But I think the govt. of both First and Third world are responsible for this brutal oppression of humanity around the world. Every Govt. these days is sold out to some extremely sinister people who are outside the governments and are mainly operating through secret societies like freemasonry. I live in India and these free-masonic lodges are popping up everywhere like wildfire, and most of our leaders, supreme court judges are holding high positions in them. And the similar case is in first world countries.

People everywhere are very generous and are helping people in third world countries, and I thank them wholeheartedly. I agreed with you your christian churches have lied to you, and you will be shocked to know what they are doing with your money here in India and other countries. They lure poor tribal s here from some of that money, convert their religions and do horrendous acts of pedophilia and rape womens, some of them are also sent to brothels and sweatshops worldwide by christian missionaries.

So I urge people don't donate any amount in churches, and I also think money alone can't help eradicate poverty in long-term.

Originally posted by vinay86

Originally posted by crimvelvet
how the starvation was PLANNED!
Books have been written about this. see: "Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation"

Thanks for sharing that info, and It is a great book, all of the bio-tech companies in the world are pushing these GM seeds throughout the world, and governments of third world countries are selling out to them, the companies are selling these GM seems by labeling them as super foods that will eradicate hunger and malnourishment.

We are the experimentation grounds of first world countries, we are the guinea pigs, any new stuff is now being tested on us, but than it is deployed all over the world. .

edit on 9/2/11 by vinay86 because: (no reason given)

Precisely my point too when you indicate "governments of third world countries are selling out to them" above.

It is easy to just blame a particular entity for all the world's problems then to look at one's own homefront. If your house is built of bricks instead of straws then it doesn't matter what the Biotech Companies are pushing througout the world.

Government and public in India (farmers and significant consumers alike) were well aware of the GM vegetation which was not exactly the same as naturally cultivated crops since the Government began RATION CARDS way back in time (Wheat, Soy Beans, Palmolive Oil, Kerosene, etc etc).

The value of a human life in India is very very low. For the most part, many Politicians and Businessmen/women alike are led by GREED and Profits.