My personal trip to Peenemünde facility (Nazi Bell/ German technology related)

Thanks Dalbeck. I have always wondered about that place. Nice to see some good photos of your visit. The bell, thats a weird one for sure and I wish some one could solve it. We wont find out what happened there, unless we study and research it. Was there any flying saucers there
Any way once again thanks.

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There are just little bits of evidence left that require considerable reverse engineering to have any weight at all as evidence. Herbert Arthur Stuart designed equipment around the Kerr effect back in 1928 and also studied electron scattering and the resonance fluorescence of mercury vapor. Much is written about Stuarts 1938 petition to have the Jewish physicists withdraw their membership from the Deutsche Physikalische Gesellschaft. I doubt any details of the saucer technology survived to be made public after the war.

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You guys want to get to grip with life, the past is the past!

Why shouldn't we have museums of the past technology? True to form, almost all technology has been developed for military purpose before the masses were allowed to benefit from the true humanistic potential, (such as the Hiroshima bomb e.t.c).

This has been the zeitgeist of the recent past i'm afraid, although i do feel change in the air though.

Hopefully all technology (developed for whatever reasons originally) will be embraced for the well being and development of the human race and environmental stability, unconditionally.

Sorry OP, I was so dismayed by the comments between the posts i just replied to that I forgot to thank you for the thread.

S&F. We can't visit every place on Earth that provides interest, so thank you for giving us information into a place i'd be unlikely to visit. I endeavor to provide the same quality info for fellow ATS members in my following travels.

May I ask you some questions- I don't know the things that I do from sources such as your own- who is Stevens? And also, what is the "ring"? Thank you in advance. This post is to Bordon81.

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great thread thums up!

thanks for this incredible post,I for one have always put myself in the technicians shoes and wondered what I would have done, pursue the job I loved to do or get shot, I guess you know the answer.

good interesting post. S&F for you.look forward to seeing more from you

Originally posted by Yazman
It wasn't a necessary action at all. The Japanese government had already agreed to surrender with the only condition being that they would be allowed to keep the Emperor but in a reduced role as merely a figurehead. The US refused this as they would accept nothing but an unconditional surrender, and effectively used two nuclear bombs to get one.

This is totally fabricated anti-American propaganda. Read what really happened here, en.wikipedia.org...

Even after we nuked Japan, they wanted to keep the current form of government with the Emperor having real power.

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I noticed earlier in your thread you said that you didn't know about the occult activities of the Nazis- two of the best books on the subject are: Le matin de les magiciens (The Morning of the Magicians), by Louis Pauwels & Jacques Bergier, & The Spear of Destiny by Trevor Ravenscroft. Ravenscroft was a British soldier who was a German prisoner of war for years, & when the war ended wrote this book with the help of a German friend who had escaped Germany before the war started & fled to England. Good luck to you; I hope you can find all of the books.

When I think of British occult activities, I think of Aleister Crowley. Not sure that is on topic for the Peenemünde facility though. A brief survey of Crowley turned up a reference to the 1897 chess conference in Berlin. Might be related to Zorgon's reasoning of why they sent pictures of naked blond Aryans on the Pioneer plaque?

As to the question about the ring (and possibly the spear) the Nazi's were inspired by the German composer Richard Wagner and particularly his 4 operas titled Der Ring des Nibelungen. These operas were written within the mythology of Norse legend. An example of use at Peenemünde was the secret Nazi navigational beam named Wotan that allowed night flight navigation so accurate that the pilots could land blindfolded. There is some interesting allegory to Wotans spear in the Götterdämmerung. Brünnhilde is visited by her Valkyrie sister Waltraute, who relates how Wotan returned from his wanderings one day with his spear shattered. (Wotan is dismayed at losing his spear, as it has all the treaties and bargains he has made—everything that gives him power—carved into its shaft.)

You know how the Nazi's were about contracts....

My apologies to the OP it is not my intention to fill the thread with schizophrenic graphomania that does not pertain to Peenemünde. The supercharger, rockets, Nurflugel etc are much more interesting and easier to describe then Die Glocke of course.

Just wanted to give you guys a little heads up, I'm back (later than expected because I have a cold) and will add some nice stuff to this thread any time later this week!!!

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Well, its not a tribute to Hitler, its history. All History is worth remembering. Nazis or not, they made huge technological leaps.

Just saying

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Ravenscroft's book doesn't refer to Nordic pagan faith at all. The Nazis in the SS- one of the high echelons- were obsessed not only by the occult but in artifacts from the past; in this case, the Spear of Longinus, the Roman soldier who speared Christ's body in the side to see if in fact he had died while crucified. It became an object of great power, according to believers- & one of the things believed was that a conqueror carrying the spear would win many battles. The spear was carried by many conquerors into many battles over nearly 2000 years- & according to some, it worked every time. Hitler eventually succeeded in having it stolen from the museum in Austria that kept it, & felt that it would make his armies invincible. Fortunately, they weren't!

As to Crowley, Richard Spence's book "Secret Agent 666" tells a lot about the man- most of his antics were a cover for his activities as a spy for the British Empire. His so-called "majick" for the most part was drivel invented to seduce wealthy people into providing him a living. The books he was credited with writing were largely pornographic; any occult books I've seen attributed to him were psycho-babble. He had a lot in common with Charles Manson.

I'm not trying to derail the thread, either. Sorry about your cold, Mr. Dalbeck- get well soon! I can't wait to hear more about Peenemunde.

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If you read Mein Kampf you see how Hitler rallied the troops around the blood flag. Based on that writing style I would have to agree with you that Hitler expected a visceral interpretation from *some* of the readership.

Same spear seems to be used in a lot of different works and I think it can be proven that not all Germans took Hitlers visceral allegory to heart.

The Norse legend of Wotan and his spear seems to fit but that isn't a cut and paste observation.


en.wikipedia.org...

In his opera Parsifal, Richard Wagner identifies the Holy Spear with two items that appear in Wolfram von Eschenbach's medieval poem Parzival, a bleeding spear in the Castle of the Grail and the spear that has wounded the Fisher King. The opera's plot concerns the consequences of the spear's loss by the Knights of the Grail and its recovery by Parsifal. Having decided that the blood on the Spear was that of the wounded Saviour - Christ is never named in the opera - Wagner has the blood manifest itself in the Grail rather than on the spearhead.

According to the Vatican versions of the legend around 615 the point of the spear is broken off and kept separate from the spear.

According to the Chronicon Paschale, the point of the lance, which had been broken off, was given in the same year to Nicetas, who took it to Constantinople and deposited it in the church of Hagia Sophia, and later to the Church of the Virgin of the Pharos. This point of the lance, which was now set in an icon, was acquired by the Latin Emperor, Baldwin II of Constantinople, who later sold it to Louis IX of France. The point of the lance was then enshrined with the Crown of Thorns in the Sainte Chapelle in Paris. During the French Revolution these relics were removed to the Bibliothèque Nationale but subsequently disappeared.

Da Vinci painted for the Vatican and being an engineering type he may have actually sat down with someone and tried to explain the allegorical meaning of the lance and point. Of course once an esoteric object of religious fervor is analyzed and explained it loses much of its magic.

The German engineers in WW2 were typically Wagnerian and the allegory of Wotans spear at Peenemünde was used with their signals aquisition technology. The Allegory here is more along the lines of Norse legend, Davinci and precision. The more visceral accounts don't fit.

Great pictures of a place I would love to go visit but probably never will. Please post more stuff like this.

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Thanks for the info. What you have to say rings true in "Mein Kampf" once again- the Nazi view was that all "great" civilisations- white ones, at any rate- were essentially "German" in origin; Hitler was taught this by German "mystics" such as Hans Horbiger who were heavily involved in a secret society such as Edelweiss or Vril, & held forth the view that they were descended from extraterrestrial "gods" a quarter of a million years ago who commanded Earth, air, fire & water. The "lost" civilisation of these "gods"- Ultima Thule- was supposedly the root of all Germanic peoples.

In my opinion the German people have plenty to be proud of all on their own & it is their own achievement, not that of so-called "gods". "The Spear of Destiny" tells of Wolfram Von Eschenbach's classic masterpiece "Parsifal" as well. See if you can find this book at your local library if you like; & while you're there see if the DVD "Himmler the Mystic" from the English video series "The Occult History of the Third Reich" is there as well. They are both eye-openers as to how elitist manoevres can bring down great civilisations.

Brilliant!
Oh how i wish i could of seen that place in action!
I need a time lord/lady
Not like i'll give them an atlas detailing every battle plan the allies did

I know what you mean about the smell of history. i get it every historical place i go, i also get a vibe in some places like i have been there before. In regards to two things. The Bell wasn't at Peenemunde it was in Poland on the SS project known as Der Riese. I still believe that there are many hidden things in bunkers and mines that we the public have never found or not allowed to know about.

Also those pictures of light in the factory gave me chills, not from fear but what i call "historical viewing"(i have a talent for "seeing" things) I could imagine a soldier on guard at the top of the stairway, scientists rushing about, engineers fixing V2's at the entrance, V1's being tested outside, the testing alarms blaring at full volume,the loudspeaker giving out the daily schedule.

Very interesting, that is a very big missle! never seen someone stand next to one before.

Hello my ATS’ers, sorry for my delay, but my cold wasn’t really over plus I had a lot to study for my exams, but now I’m back again, so thanks a lot for your interest over the days Took me some time to translate a lot of German sources, but here you go.

I want to add up this thread with some little (known/ maybe unknown) facts and pictures. I want to structure the following things as a resumption to the things I showed you earlier.

Let's start with the definition of "Wunderwaffe" (wonder weapon):

The term „Wunderwaffe“ characterizes weapons of war, which promise victory for a defeted party in warlike operations. In common parlance a wonder weapon is also known as a so called universal remedy which promises a fast (wondrous) solution of a complex problem – while not necessarily keeping the promise. The term was used for Nazi propaganda during WWII. Often the terms “Geheimwaffe” (secret weapon) or “Vergeltungswaffe” (weapon of revenge) had been used. The propaganda related to the “Wunderwaffen” still has an impact to this day concerning several views: weapon systems, material- and basic researches in Germany by the end of WWII were far ahead their time and still to this day part of secret military projects.

I recommend you watch this youtube clip:

There you’ll find some interesting tid bits of information concerning Nazi aviation technologies.

So did the Nazis really want to build a “Wunderwaffe”, an aircraft which was capable of flying in high (and then- unknown) altitudes? There are indeed some indications and some wild speculations. Like the myth about "Die Glocke":

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Die Glocke (German for "The Bell") is a purported top secret Nazi scientific technological device, secret weapon, or Wunderwaffe. First described by Polish journalist Igor Witkowski, it was later popularized by military journalist and author Nick Cook as well as by conspiracy theory writers such as Joseph P. Farrell. Farrell and others associate it with Nazi occultism and antigravity or free energy research. Mainstream reviewers such as former aerospace scientist David Myhra express skepticism that such a device ever actually existed.

How can one imagine a craft like this? Maybe something like this:

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(to add a little bit of myth to this, of course this picture is a CGI but walking through the halls of the Peenemünde facility I actually could imagine something like this )

Claims about the existence of Die Glocke originated in the works of Igor Witkowski. His 2000 Polish language book Prawda O Wunderwaffe (The Truth About The Wonder Weapon, reprinted in German as "Die Wahrheit über die Wunderwaffe"), refers to it as "The Nazi-Bell". Witkowski wrote that he first discovered the existence of Die Glocke by reading transcripts from an interrogation of former Nazi SS Officer Jakob Sporrenberg. According to Witkowski, he was shown the supposedly classified transcripts in August 1997 by an unnamed Polish intelligence contact who claimed to have access to Polish government documents regarding Nazi secret weapons.Witkowski maintains that he was only allowed to transcribe the documents and was not allowed to make any copies. Although no evidence of the veracity of Witkowski's claims have been produced, they reached a wider audience when they were retold by British author Nick Cook, who added his own speculations to Witkowski's claims in The Hunt for Zero Point.

Someone in this thread asked me if there were any circular concrete structures like this at the facility which some people claim to be a testing ring for Die Glocke:

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Indeed there were some of those structures at Peenemünde- on a scale model. There were like 6 structures if memeory serves right but I didn't see one with my own eyes (at least not in the publically accessable areas). But the following quote form wikipedia may shed some light on what the structures could have been as well:

Allegedly an experiment carried out by Third Reich scientists working for the SS in a German facility known as Der Riese ("The Giant") near the Wenceslaus mine and close to the Czech border, Die Glocke is described as being a device "made out of a hard, heavy metal" approximately 9 feet wide and 12 to 15 feet high having a shape similar to that of a large bell. According to Cook, this device ostensibly contained two counter-rotating cylinders which would be "filled with a mercury-like substance, violet in color. This metallic liquid was code-named “Xerum 525”" and was otherwise cautiously "stored in a tall thin thermos flask a meter high encased in lead". Additional substances said to be employed in the experiments, referred to as Leichtmetall (light metal), "included thorium and beryllium peroxides". Cook describes Die Glocke as emitting strong radiation when activated, an effect that supposedly lead to the death of several unnamed scientists and various plant & animal test subjects.Based upon certain external indications, Witkowski speculates that the ruins of a metal framework in the vicinity of the Wenceslas mine (aesthetically dubbed "The Henge") may have once served as test rig for an experiment in "anti-gravity propulsion" generated with Die Glocke; others, however, dismiss the derelict structure as simply being a conventional industrial cooling tower.

Indeed the structures on the scale model could have been cooling or water towers, still in work. Unfortunately I don't have a picture of that part but (at least to me) it seemed that the 6 structures on the scale model indeed were a part of the water supply area of the facility (there were a lot of tubes and pipes and it pretty much looked like our public utility area).

Here's a model I found which shows the alleged ratio of the craft:

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Let's go on with our text from wikipedia:

Witkowski's claims along with Cook's speculations prompted further conjecture about the device from American fringe science authors such as Joseph P. Farrell, Jim Marrs, and Henry Stevens. Farrell claims that the device was considered so important to the Nazis that they killed 60 scientists that worked on the project and buried them in a mass grave. In his book, Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology (2007), Stevens speculates that Die Glocke contained red mercury and describes stories alleging that a concave mirror on top of the device provided the ability to see "images from the past" during its operation. Witkowski speculated that Die Glocke ended up in a "Nazi-friendly South American country". Cook speculated that it was moved to the United States as part of a deal made with SS General Hans Kammler. Farrell speculated that it was recovered as part of the Kecksburg UFO incident.

Remember the Kecksburg incident? Here's a really great thread at ATS about this incident. It pretty much looks like the Nazi Bell, huh?! Maybe some scientists worked on a craft like this after being take to the US in Operation Paperclip, we'll never know for sure.

As I told and showed you earlier I saw some military crafts as models in a glass cas in the Peenemünde facility.

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Some of them actually were build, but again no indication about the Bell. IF there ever was a craft like this built in Germany I have to come to the conclusion that there is no proof as for today that it had been tested in Peenemünde but of course that could be for the fact that the Americans took some of the best scientist before the Russians had a chance to and all proof *may* had been destroyed a long time ago. Nonetheless it was an interesting trip

Of course there a other stories about other crafts such as the "Reichsflugscheibe":

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But that's another story

Is the Nazi Bell a craft or a device?

Project Camelot interviewed Joseph Farrell about his book Nazi International in February, 2009. The website page describing this interview states that the bell is:

. . . an experimental device, classified at the highest level, that seems to have been used to investigate time distortion effects or antigravity - very possibly both - based on the beginnings of theoretical torsion physics that was being developed in the 1920s and 1930s by a number of brilliant European scientists, themselves very much ahead of their time. . . .