Muslim Brotherhood text reveals scope of radical creed

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by TarzanBeta

 

Palestine is a Jewish state...?
and spelled with a Y?
go figure.
I though the protocols of the elders of Palestine was proven a hoax long ago...
faulty translation i think it was....

PS
being decended from people who were wiped out by christians for our land and for a few slaves, I'd say Christians deserve a little taste of thier own medicine ...
but noe
sadly,
one can hold a mirror up to Christians all day...
It just doesn't do any good.
Pointing out that christians just slaughtered a whole people is
persecution of christians.

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edit on 9-2-2011 by Danbones because: PS christians?

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Any person who slaughters is not a true Christian.

It is not Palestine anymore. As unfortunate as that may be, it is a reality.

Unless you want to blame the Native Americans and their former world for all the suffering the United States of America in its New World is doing, which i know you wouldn't, then you aren't being realistic or fair to your own devices.

However, I do not claim to understand everything that has gone on between Palestinians and the Jews as I have not physically been there... but I will say that violence always leads to more violence until it comes to a head and POW! All done.

So, regardless of who started it, someone needs to take control and be peaceful.

The violent riots in Egypt are unacceptable, regardless of how fed up they are. If people are that unhappy with what is happening, they should handle it like adults instead of getting all childish and emotion crazed. Have the entire damn country walk softly to the capital and demand to speak to the president, and then sit there and do no work, no NOTHING, until his troops decide to start to threaten everyone to go back to work and make production and then talk to the troops and make them understand their point of view...


Or...

Throw a hissy fit like a little kid like so many Americans want to do on their own soil and cause a ruckus that snowballs and then blame someone for their actions.

Really mature.

It's amazing how the world just turned into MTV. How did this happen?

I mean, as disgusting as war is, even a hundred and fifty years ago, the british brought war to an almost absurdly, gentlemanly science. The drama level in this world is through the roof.

I want no part of it but I can't force people to stop.

An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America

This May 1991 memo was written by Mohamed Akram, a.k.a. Mohamed Adlouni, for the Shura Council of the Muslim Brotherhood. In the introductory letter, Akram referenced a "long-term plan…approved and adopted" by the Shura Council in 1987 and proposed this memo as a supplement to that plan and requested that the memo be added to the agenda for an upcoming Council meeting.

* Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims' causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims' efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic state, wherever it is. * In order for Islam and its Movement to become "a part of the homeland" in which it lives, "stable" in its land, "rooted" in the spirits and minds of its people, "enabled" in the live [sic] of its society and has firmly-established "organizations" on which the Islamic structure is built and with which the testimony of civilization is achieved, the Movement must plan and struggle to obtain "the keys" and the tools of this process in carry [sic] out this grand mission as a "Civilization Jihadist" responsibility which lies on the shoulders of Muslims and – on top of them – the Muslim Brotherhood in this country. * The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Proecess" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who chose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal. Read more at: www.investigativeproject.org...

After reading some of this stuff, and being an American citizen you honestly think we are not supposed to feel threatened by their words?
And this from the op opening article? Once again this word caliphate pops up? I understand if some of you folks hate the United States for what ever reason but to ignore that this group is hell bent on destroying not only the United States but the state of Israel is quite shocking to say the least. What is that old saying, first they came for.....

They detail the Brotherhood’s objectives of advancing the global conquest of Islam and reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the public and private duties of jihad and the struggle Muslims must wage against Israel.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by badw0lf

 

Yes lets talk about ignorance. These people hate America and Isreal because their religion tells them to.

It does. That's all you need to know. But you can try and pretend it doesn't as hard as you like, I will state the MAJORITY of people in islamic nations do not need a reason to hate the west (umm I never mentioned israel btw) and they make no bones about it.

One day, when you and your kin are at the end of it you will notice - hey, many years ago people said this would happen.... wow ..

but then it'll be too late.

Allahu akbar.. Inshallah you will by then know..

I've read the Bible many times...and...with all due respect...if you don't slaughter people you are not a true Christian.

The Bible is FULL of commands to believers to murder innocent people. Stone disobedient children, kill anyone who works on the sabbath...Jesus never said "hey, those rules were wrong!"...no...he said "till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

So, if you are a Christian and you aren't killing people left and right, you are not only disobeying the commands of your god, you're excusing it by calling your savior a liar.

Or...you could just admit that you don't really believe the nonsense in that old book.

Originally posted by LazerTron
I've read the Bible many times...and...with all due respect...if you don't slaughter people you are not a true Christian.

The Bible is FULL of commands to believers to murder innocent people. Stone disobedient children, kill anyone who works on the sabbath...Jesus never said "hey, those rules were wrong!"...no...he said "till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

So, if you are a Christian and you aren't killing people left and right, you are not only disobeying the commands of your god, you're excusing it by calling your savior a liar.

Or...you could just admit that you don't really believe the nonsense in that old book.

Xtians are not the issue here are they.. But nice straw man. you see, we ARE allowed to refer to islam without having to compare it to xtianity.. Only those who really feel threatened need to bring of old christ to defend islams barbarity..

Its like..

"I Hate the taste of tomatoes"
"Yeah well I know for a fact cucumbers taste worse, so whats your point!!11!1!11!11"

idiotic...

reply to post by Danbones

This would be the same Muslim Brotherhood that was controlled up to world war two by the British, and during WW2 was controlled by the Germans, and after world war two reverted back to control by the British...

Do you just make up your own facts?

You do know it was founded to fight British control in Egypt right? Or does this not fall in line with your made up assessment of the organization?

Actually, if Christians are going to call Islam a religion of violence, then it is perfectly reasonable to call Christians out on their own violent book.

It's all fairy tales to me...the difference is that I don't think it's any of our business to go around assassinating leaders and funding rival terrorist groups to get our agenda going. The radical Muslims don;t hate us because we aren't Muslims...they hate us because American policy has played a vital role in the destruction of their lives for decades. Maybe...just maybe...if we minded our own business...

Nah...its more fun to destabilize countries, murder thousands of people, and then use bigoted excuses as to why they are angry.

reply to post by badw0lf


LOL. They hate the west for no reason? Lets take Iran for one. The West overthrows their president, then installs a dictator for 30 years. They finially overthrow the dictator and you don't expect them to not have some hatred of the west? Oh then what does the west do? funds Iraq to start a war with them.

Of course they will start groups to fight the west, are they supposed to just sit there and take this?

Sorry if I'm actually putting myself in other people's shoes, Americans aren't very good at that.

Exactly...what Americans want is for us to be able to destroy their society, kill their children, assassinate whoever we please...and then have their people just shut up and never do anything about it.

I love this country as much as anyone...but as long as we are meddling in other countries affairs the way we have been we can continue to expect them to hate us. In fact, it's foolish to expect anything else.

dirka dirka mohamad jihhad.

you need hate to have war
you need war to sell arms.
ask any fundy after armeggedon gods going to divide the world to be ruled by his faithfull
I find that very frightening considering the history of christian conquest and destruction

naw, lets talk about what people who might be muslims might be planning

Pssst: the CIA has admitted to faking Bin Laden Videos
I really wonder if the guy who wrote the OP article is a CIA stooge

This is just as true as the protocols of the elders of Zion
no wait, thats a hoax

Every person born on this suck a$$ed rock has the rights that come with the skin you are born in.

you might think after
Napolean, WW1 and two, the civil war...the SHAW, hitler, mao, stalin, saddam, pol pot, etc all installed, managed and profited by Bank money through various western agencies, the peeps would get it
but nope
sadly it isn't looking like it


If people don't look behind the curtain it will be curtains for the people.

PS
and yeah I know it is what it is,
Israel is there, but I agree with the Israelis striving for the opposite of Hate.

reply to post by Danbones


lol thats a great post haha.

Not totally sure what you mean but I think I understand.

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by badw0lf

 

LOL. They hate the west for no reason? Lets take Iran for one.

No, lets not. You take the average muslim who hates the west, and you will find they have no reason beyond they just hate us. you can ad superfluous reasoning such as political content such as this, but at the end of the day, many many people under the umbrella of islam will say that the west is bad because that is all they know.

But it is nice to see someone acknowledge that they DO hate us also for political reasons, which give them an amount of leeway to be of said opinion... That being, Death to.. et al.

Face it - You accept the anti-west sentiment due to your opinion that the west is evil. As do they, ragardless of right or wrong, many of them just accept it. So... Not such a far stretch, really... Argue more, now...

By the way, I'm not American... So.. heh.. yeah...

Americans aren't very good at that.

reply to post by badw0lf

Face it - You accept the anti-west sentiment due to your opinion that the west is evil.

And you disagree??
I'm western, well Australian, and what my Government has done in the past disgusts me..
And I'm NOT a victim, merely that I have seen the impact of my Government's actions in blindy following the US etc..

Originally posted by mayabong
reply to post by TarzanBeta

 

I'm saying that if I'm getting revenge, its not because of my RELIGION, its because of the act of getting a BOMB dropped on my house. This logic isn't very hard to understand.

Do yourself a favor go to twitter and follow the #jan25 tweets. Yes just about every egyptian on there hates America (just the government really) and Israel. . Are they spewing Quran quotes left and right? I havnen't seen one in the 3 weeks I've been following.

What are they sharing? News stories about America's interference, Israel's interference, American/Egyptian history. These are educated people. The news media wants to make them out to be religious fanatics.

It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with policy. The Muslim Brotherhood fear tactic is the same thing that the Egyptian President Mubarak used to keep his people under 30 years of emergency rule.

BS. Sorry, someone has to call you out on it.

So if I go blow up my neighbors house then my neighbors relatives and friends are supposed to cry and despair over me and put flowers at my feet and say how they're so sorry for hurting me in my life. They're so sad and now want me to hurt them in return. *pout* *wipes tear away*

Give me a break. If someone blows up my neighbors house, they're going to get shot. No sympathy.

If they're going to parade around the world blowing people up, they don't deserve sh**.

And you know I know we've blown up some homes by mistake in iraq and afghanistan, but it was NOT intended! That's the difference. Teh jihadists full intended on harming others, but our military is doing is DAMNDEST not to harm the innocent. The same just cannot be said for the others. How is sending a suicider into market street to blow everyone up heroic? That's sickening. It's cowardly.

Bottom line, the only way they'll be heard is if they stop killing and start talking.

Mayabong is correct on all points.

Now while all this is going on, you lot are asleep at the wheel because your own Govts are sucking you dry, and you are dying a slow death.

Watch and learn from the Egyptians; this has nothing to do with religion in any shape or form. You just might find yourselves in the exacct same situation in just afew short years.

From my stand point, I see exactly what is going on your country and what your Govt is doing to you but you Americans are too gutless to stand up to them and say enough is enough. Right now, you all walk in shame; at least the Egyptians got their pride back.

reply to post by mayabong


No, not Israel.

Palwatch.

For the uninitiated, "Palwatch" is like Stormfront, only aimed at Muslims instead of Jews. it is absolutely a grossly slanted and heavily agenda'd hate site.

That the Jerusalem Post is sourcing Palwatch strikes me as a grievous slip in the editorial process. Even Jpost has standards, after all.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
Mayabong is correct on all points.

Now while all this is going on, you lot are asleep at the wheel because your own Govts are sucking you dry, and you are dying a slow death.

Watch and learn from the Egyptians; this has nothing to do with religion in any shape or form. You just might find yourselves in the exacct same situation in just afew short years.

From my stand point, I see exactly what is going on your country and what your Govt is doing to you but you Americans are too gutless to stand up to them and say enough is enough. Right now, you all walk in shame; at least the Egyptians got their pride back.

Nonsense. We ridded iraq of a dictator and this was key in bringing peace and democracy over there - even if they don't appreciate it. In time they will learn to thank us. And we have made progress smoking out terrorist beds in afghanistan that plague the whole world. America is probably the only country in the world maybe alongside Britain that actually cares to maintain law and order in the world. You can't do that without guns and bombs sometimes. UN is naked policeman. If the rest of the world cared half as much we might have the peace everyone wants. Stop siding with the woe-is-me terrorists and wake up: America IS the hero and is NOT killing indisicriminitely and represents the line between chaos (suiciders and 3rd world mayhem) and order (modern world).

The sooner the rest of the world learns America is fighting for the good the better everyone will be.

reply to post by Resurrectio



"Sleep easy tonight... remember... Islam is a religion of peace! "

I will sleep easy, I'm not scared.. Islam isn't popular enough to take over California. If one day that changes, I'll move.

I dont know if any religion qualifies as representing "peace".. people are people. Meaning some are manipulative, greedy, violent b-holes who take advantage of others naivety.. fooling them into "Killing in the name of (insert cause)".. could be a flag, prophet, "leader", book, skin color, or invisible man de jure...

"Chaaaarge men!!!, lets kill these other guys!!"..
"Why sir?.. they're 1000s of miles away from hurting US citizens"
"Because this guy said we should!!.. now put on your war face and kill, kill, kill!!.. lets go!!.."

As far as the "Muslim Brotherhood" is concerned... never met any members. I figure the people of Egypt, and those whose lives are affected by "Muslim Brotherhood" policies, know whats best. Maybe the "Muslim Brotherhood" gets elected, and maybe the Egyptian people don't want their new govt doing business with, or speaking to, certain govts.. US/UK/Israel included.. so be it. I don't live there, neither do you.. power to the locals.

Ha Ha - Muslim Brotherhood - teamed up with the cultural marxists in a joint effort to destroy their common enemy - Western civilisation.

Naturally they can't say that, so will allways pretend to justify their actions as a response to Israels actions or USA actions blah blah.

Don't any of you understand that you are just being played by the bloodline elites - none of you are going to inherit the world! - you are just being used as sacrificial pawns to collapse it - the elites certainly intend that you will be finished off in the process!

If the Muslim Brotherhood can do this non-violently then they might have a chance. I'm not anti-islam, i'm anti-violence and anti-injustice. You know too often people use talking points. They take something someone said, slice it up into bits and pieces, then they make a 60 second sound bite that ignores context and background. That's why so many people are confused nowadays. Look, it couldn't be more simple. We all want peace. America wants peace. But just like with cops that have guns our foreign policy also must have guns to maintain the law and order. Without laws that have teeth then it's basically anarchy. America seems to be the only country with enough balls and fortitude to do this. The rest of the world just needs to appreciate this. We, americans, probably don't always do thigns perfectly or sometimes even rightly. It's your job, the rest of th world, to work with us. But don't ever suggest we're criminals or bad people on the same level that suicide bombers or jihadists are. That's insulting and beneath you. If there was a way to solve all problems without violence then let me know what it's! I'll be the first person to listen. The whole world would just love to know how to do bring law and order without punishment (and sometimes force).

Ideally, we rule with law, but sometimes a gun works just as well.