Apophis

I was just reading this article about the asteroid Apophis which I think is the only known ELE Asteroid that is coming close to earth that we have found and are tracking. Anyway in the article it says.

Apophis, at its closest point in 2029, will be at least 18,300 miles away from the Earth. Dan Durda, a scientist with the Southwest Research Institute in Colorado, told the Times that he submitted a proposal to NASA to send a spacecraft to the asteroid and learn more about it.

Source

Anyway so here is my theory. Lets say that they do allow them to do research on it, and lets just say someone comes up with the idea to test possibly blowing up an asteroid before it hits earth on Apophis. I think they have actually made a movie out of something similar to this idea, but this is a real possibility as far as I can tell. NASA and the government has recently become very interested in Near Earth Objects and how to stop them to the point that I have started to wonder if the other part of the story is a lie.

Russian scientists last week said that the Apophis asteroid may collide with the earth in 2036 but a report came out this week which said the chance of it striking the earth is highly unlikely.

That point aside we will assume they are telling the truth and they just want to study it. It is not unusual at all to assume that they may come up with the idea to try and find a way to blow it up as a test of things to do in the future if there is a ELE Asteroid on a collision course with Earth. In fact I would say it would be highly likely they would not pass the chance up.

So my argument is, what if they try and blow it up and something goes wrong and they accidentally redirect into the Earth or shatter it and send thousands of pieces into Earth's atmosphere.

I didn't see anything about this on the forums so sorry if its a repost but thought I would get your opinions.

reply to post by Phantom28804


Ive read about it before But its nice to refresh sometimes, I hate the names they give these asteroids!

Apophis is the Opponent of the Sun God of eternal light (the snake god)
In other words Going Christian "The Devil"


Yeah this caused a lot of hype back in 2004 i think, They said it was gonna Hit the earth, Then they thought it might hit the moon instead....

The truth is they dont have a clue

Originally posted by TedHodgson
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

Ive read about it before But its nice to refresh sometimes, I hate the names they give these asteroids!

Apophis is the Opponent of the Sun God of eternal light (the snake god)
In other words Going Christian "The Devil"

Yeah this caused a lot of hype back in 2004 i think, They said it was gonna Hit the earth, Then they thought it might hit the moon instead....

The truth is they dont have a clue

Asteroid Apophis was named after the encient Egyptian God of destruction and darkness.

reply to post by Gixxer

A·po·phis
   /əˈpoʊfɪs/ Show Spelled[uh-poh-fis] Show IPA
–noun Egyptian Mythology .
a demon serpent of darkness whom Ra, as sun god, destroys every morning at dawn.

So what i said then, Its all the same thing, Describing the egyption "Devil".

Evil has many names, and Attempting to correct me is silly

Funny, I was just reading about this too...then I saw your thread. They say that blowing it up may not work on a large one, or like you said it would break into small pieces, which would present it's own problems...here's some info on it...BTW...S&F for you!
science.howstuffworks.com...

Apophis is a sissi .. what about Anubis

sorry couldnt help my self

reply to post by StealthyKat


Yea I have actually read a lot about that particular Asteroid. Coincidentally the article I originally linked made it out like this was a new story but about this time last year they were talking about the same thing. How NASA said no but the Russians thought it would hit in 2036. Interesting how the Russians suddenly changed there minds.

Anyway all that aside that is what I was getting at. Is that NASA, and all the other space programs out there. I am sure they have already gotten it in there heads that it would be a good practice run for possible future defense plans. If I am not mistaken I think Bush was working on a program similar to Star Wars that was supposed to be for exactly that purpose of destroying Asteroids before they could get to Earth, or to stop a Interstellar invasion. Either way it is interesting, and frankly I could honestly see the world ending or having a major catastrophe because of some genius military/science plan. I whole heartedly believe the world have a much better chance of blowing up due to a man made experiment then we do of natural occurrences

reply to post by Phantom28804


Just reading about this here:

www.csmonitor.com...

"The situation is that in 2029, April 13, [Apophis] flies very close to the Earth, within five Earth radii, so that will be quite an event, but we’ve already ruled out the possibility of it hitting at that time,” Yeomans told Life’s Little Mysteries. “On the other hand, if it goes through what we call a keyhole during that close Earth approach … then it will indeed be perturbed just right so that it will come back and smack Earth on April 13, 2036,” Yeomans said."

Interesting thought about causing it to impact, however we may need to try something if the keyhole changes it to a collision course.


"The more likely scenario is this: Apophis will make a fairly close approach to Earth in late 2012 and early 2013, and will be extensively observed with ground-based optical telescopes and radar systems. If it seems to be heading on a destructive path, NASA will devise the scheme and machinery necessary to change the asteroid’s orbit, decreasing the probability of a collision in 2036 to zero, Yeomans said"

reply to post by Phantom28804

You are probably right on that. The scary part of the asteroid thing is the fact that one could hit us at any time without much warning. But then again we may not be hit for 100 years.....I do hope they come up with a plan though, just in case......if not for us, then for future generations.

Originally posted by StealthyKat
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

You are probably right on that. The scary part of the asteroid thing is the fact that one could hit us at any time without much warning. But then again we may not be hit for 100 years.....I do hope they come up with a plan though, just in case......if not for us, then for future generations.

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Also, to further your journey down this particular rabbit hole (this is, IMHO, a false flag to draw attention to the real possibility of an "event" in mid to late October which involves Elinin and a recently-found new guest to the table...2005 YU55...which arrives just in time for the "11-11-11" prophecies (the actual date is 8/11/2011).

The rock, 2005YU55 has been documented at about 400 meters/1312 feet in size and inbound at about 15.5 kps/34 672 mph/50 853/sec.

Compare this to Elinin: NO SIZE, and inbound at 23.7 kps/53 015 mph. To make it something to actually relate to (can you actually conceptualize 53 000 mph?), it is 25 918 yards per second...about 260 football fields laid end-to-end PER SECOND.

Now, here is where it gets interesting. It has not exactly been frontpage news in the drive-by media (thanks Rush) that 2005 YU55 will come inside the orbit of the moon. The moon being about 384 403 km/238 857 miles distance from Earth, 2005 YU55 will whiz between the Earth and the Moon at a distance of 315 000 km/201 714 miles.

Question? Do these figures indicate that 2005 YU55 will pass by the Moon at about 69 403 km/371 miles distance on 8/11/2011? That's only 12 780 605 488 inches. Seems close to me. Just saying...

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Ya think?

Time is getting short.

Thoughts, anyone?

In Peace & Light
tfw

2029 or 2036 whichever they say it is is 18 or 25 years away,if you go back 25 years the world in terms of technology & knowledge of space isn't what it is today,i'm confident by then we'll have some sort plan to blow it up somehow.
if it did go wrong there isn't much anybody could do except panic & run around shouting.

when in worries, or in doubt, run in circles, scream, and shout.
works for me.

apophis doesnt look very close to us in 2036.
.432 au on april 12, 2036
.0846 au on dec 31, 2043
.0046 au on april 14, 2060



ssd.jpl.nasa.gov...

it is a lot closer to hitting venus on June 12, 2038, however.

I guess this isn't as important as elenin, huh?

reply to post by TedHodgson


No Apophis was the God of the Night. Out of the Egyptian Gods, the one closest to the Devil is Set.

With respect to the asteroid hitting the planet, then at the moment there is no concern. There is a small "gravitational keyhole" which, if it passes through in 2029, could increase the possibility of it hitting the planet in 2036

not saying that an asteroid colision such as apophis is not going to cause widespread or mass destruction on impact, though the chances that this would be an end all, extinction level event is not as threatening as some may make it out to be. Nasa have given figures for impact effects which show it not to be long lasting or initiation of an impact winter with a strike being made on earth.

en.wikipedia.org...

sites.google.com...

i was watching yu55 through a tiny set of binoculars... and i started to look at other nea's... and came across apophis, so of course i searched ats for anything related...

i also searched google and found these also related...

first from the UN
daccess-dds-ny.un.org...

and then from NASA
neo.jpl.nasa.gov...

although no one can really tell whether we would be in danger or whether its course may change and be nowhere near us... either way it is quite interesting... and yes i am aware i am a few months late on this particular issue... work has been insane here lately

and here is a 6 frame clip of yu55
www.nasa.gov...

I've been gripped by the Rage intro for quite a while now. And since then I can't get the Apophis threat out from my mind. Besides having a good piano music piece the intro made me think. Though I'm not an astronomer, what is the chance of Apophis missing the gravity pull from the large planets of our solar system, strafing our own moon mostly unscathed and heading to impact our own planet? I wonder if the science predicting its possible path has counted all those factors in. Just my curious mind and two kopeks.

I know the Russian authorities have proposed a common Space Defense grid to the Americans including radars and ABM's as anti asteroid weapons. And we usually don't propose to use billions unless there's a real threat. So I'll add that a separate SM-3/S-400 missile cannot take out a huge asteroid possibly heading our way, but if said celestial body was somehow dispersed into smaller pieces the rockets could mop up the smaller pieces entering our atmosphere. (Maximum reentry speed for any medium/small body that S-400 destroys is 7 Km/s) And it would be an easier task, smaller pieces threatening a city or two would be slowed down in our atmosphere to manageable speeds.