Change your PAST, and you will change your FUTURE!

Great Thread! Sometimes I feel like I can almost touch my past. I would love to learn secrets of time and study further than many have achieved.

Time will only tell?

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by RANDOMguess
WHAT can someone explain wtf this means in a nice one liner. Dam it with all the words, what happened to less is more.

Sure. A guy in a physics lab got some odd results from sending photons through a sheet with two slits in it. Instead of collecting only two slit patterns on the collector target sheet, he collected three. Then he set up observation cameras and the number of proton slit patterns changed to two. He wasn't sure what to make of it, but documented it anyway.

Some professional writer got ahold of that story and partnered with a guy with a physics degree and wrote a book recently that claims that the research results prove that you can change the past by rethinking what the past was. The problem is this isn't what the research indicated at all, and there are people who are running off cliffs all over the Internet as a result of that idiot's book, proclaiming all kinds of stuff now. The author places "PhD" after his name and never tells people that it's a PhD in English, not Physics. He wanted a book deal and he got a book deal. Happy ending.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

You know, when reading your posts I can't help feeling how much of a negative downer you are. I want to skip through your insight because it doesn't help me in any way try to come to terms with the philosophical and metaphysical world we live in. You're opinion does not reflect in any way, form, or matter to that of mine. In actuality, it reminds me of the things and people I want to stay away from and ironically strengthens my need to stop dwelling on the problems in my life and do some positive thinking once again.

You can choose to wade through life with your ideology and i can choose to wade through life with mine. This does not make you wrong, but it definitely clashes with what we're all trying to accomplish. I choose to see the glass half full, this is my POV, and in doing so I can continue with what I set out to achieve without the needless worrying about it being almost empty.

TIME SPACE

what is SPACE TIME

the extent to which any mind claims to know these with certainty,
is the extent to which is allowed the observer to be tricked by the observed

no matter what source we obtain the information from,
academic or mystical,
they not the SOURCE

the SOURCE of all Creation
is also the mystery of Creation

we are coming to understand Creation everday,
and now we influence our future understanding

now is a word and place is an image
we can be anywhere-when we choose to be on an energetic level
so let us shine together with this understanding and co-create a brighter future together now


∞♡∞

reply to post by wakeUpOrDie


This is pure crap. These extremely vague and nebulous "testing event" have been debunked again and again, but like all garbage of its kind, they keep finding new places to spring up again. There is no real statistical norm when it comes to random number generators. Not when you're dealing with the relatively low numbers of repeats that were actually involved in these "experiments".

There were Christian cosmologists that insisted that they had calculated the movements of the planets, stars and galaxies, and with that database they'd "sent" the program back thousands of years to try and debunk the story of Isaiah's request that God "back the sun up one notch on the sundial" as he lay dying and struggling with his faith. In the story, God backs it up one notch for him. These geniuses made the big announcement - to the Evangelical community - that their computer proved the biblical account of that event by glitching at that exact moment in their past-mapping of the cosmological order. The entire universe - they claimed - had been reset somehow, and they "knew" why. Of course, this was big news at the time for those of us in that community.

The kicker is that the computers during this period of time (mid-70s) might've been able to calculate to that degree, but the input data - the star-planet mapping data itself - wasn't anywhere near accurate enough to allow for the sort of "past-mapping" that these clowns insisted that they'd done. It wasn't long before no one was talking about this breakthrough anymore. I never forgot it though. I was an Evangelical back then, and it really upset me that fellow Christians might fabricate like that. After all, this - to me - has always been serious stuff.

Science is only as serious and valid as the people engaged in it. Regadless of what some test results state, the harder part of science is properly determining what those results actually suggest. That suggestion is where the pros and the wannabes part company. No real scientist simply dismisses the enormity of established fact in favor of an anomalous or interesting test reading. Guys trying to get a book deal do, but not real serious researchers.

Originally posted by FlySolo
You know, when reading your posts I can't help feeling how much of a negative downer you are. I want to skip through your insight because it doesn't help me in any way try to come to terms with the philosophical and metaphysical world we live in. You're opinion does not reflect in any way, form, or matter to that of mine. In actuality, it reminds me of the things and people I want to stay away from and ironically strengthens my need to stop dwelling on the problems in my life and do some positive thinking once again.

You can choose to wade through life with your ideology and i can choose to wade through life with mine. This does not make you wrong, but it definitely clashes with what we're all trying to accomplish. I choose to see the glass half full, this is my POV, and in doing so I can continue with what I set out to achieve without the needless worrying about it being almost empty.

We should date. Really.

reply to post by NorEaster


We should date? That was a backhanded remark only to minimize my belief system, nice. Have a great day! I wish all the best for you and your future endeavors. May all your dreams and inspirations come true to the fullest if they have not already. Peace be with you

Originally posted by NorEaster
reply to post by wakeUpOrDie

 

This is pure crap. These extremely vague and nebulous "testing event" have been debunked again and again, but like all garbage of its kind, they keep finding new places to spring up again....

You are pure crap. I learned this at the University of Maryland by actually witnessing the retrocausal experiments that were done there in 97 and 98' under Steve Braude. I assure you this is 100% real. I saw so first hand! And the experiment was repeated several times by IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITIES. Princeton PEAR Lab experiements comes to mind.

Just because you say something is pure crap without backing it up at all means its just your opinion, which from the rest of your post, shows how uninformed you really are.

There were Christian cosmologists that insisted that they had calculated the movements of the planets, stars and galaxies, and with that database they'd "sent" the program back thousands of

Ok I stopped reading right here! This is a hoot! I smell troll meat! This has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the topic at hand. Are you intentionally going off on tangents into stuff not even related to the topic at hand, or are you just that dumb? This surely has nothing to do with religion. You don't make sense. Go back and read the thread and do some research before you post your crap opinion.

I think I'm going to try something.
I am going to start remembering a past that never happened.

When you think about it,
there is no such thing as past anyway. It is an illusion.
There is no such thing as the future either.
Nope, no such thing as the "present" either.

I like to think of time as a movie reel.
We are focused on a particular point and the frames of the movie speed past us creating the illusion of motion/time.
The beginning of the movie is still accessible and so is the end because it is all ONE entity.

Now, take that movie reel and every movie ever made and add the ability ot seamlessly transition from one to the next at any point and there is no end to the number of possibilities/combinations.

I believe that any and all possibilities are available to us all at any given...."time"lol.
Somewhere/dimension there is a very wealthy "you" on a yacht in the Carribean.
The phenomenon that you call........well........"YOU" is just conscious awareness of a particular dimension and a particular point within that dimension.

Since there really is no such thing as a "you" but only a coscious awareness/focal point
"you" can be anywhere you choose. "you" can refocus on a particular "you" that you would rather be "aware" of.
They already exist. It only requires an awareness/consciousness.

This is why I have a hard time understanding "past".
Memory is fallable anyway. We "remember" almost nothing of our lives.
What we claim to "remember" is usually nowhere near what actually occured anyway.
What would happen if you or I chose to remember our "past" in whichever form we choose?????
I believe your present would have some catching up to do. You would find yourself seamlessly merging with your chosen past until you were one day reunited with conscious awareness of what was always your life anyway.

There would be no "memory" of your former poor self just as you have no "memory" of winning the powerball right now.
"you" would merge seamlessly with your desired experiences which btw is what we are all unconsciously doing anyway.
All I am proposing is a conscious willing attempt.

I believe that this seamless merger may happen, bit by bit, while in rem sleep. Your "YOU" or conscious awareness then has a chance to slip into a neighboring dimensions version of "you" bit by bit until You become the desired......"YOU".

I need a drink.

reply to post by Gseven


Sounds like quantum entanglement.

But I still find it hard to understand, can you give a specific example of how I can change the past? Like if I choose to skip lunch today, would that make me skinnier in the past? Or what?

"Time keeps everything from happening at once"

@ OP:

Hey I have a question. If what you say is true? (Which it is. Nevertheless.)

How do you make sense of the following story...

One time I received a phone-call from a store I shop at that sells uniforms and law-enforcement equipment. (I work as a security-guard.) The sales-clerk was calling me to tell me that my sheriff's department uniform was ready that they had just finished sewing my patches and name-strip on it. And the really weird thing about it was that the shop called me at my house phone. I never gave the shop my house-phone number to call me at. They were suppose to call me on my cell phone because that's the only number I gave them. Anyways I told the clerk I don't work for the sheriff's department and they were like; your name is *insert my real name here* and I said yes. And the manager got on the phone and was like 'this is so wierd because I have your shirt right here in front of me and your name is on the form.' I'm like; "Are you sure? There must be some kind of mistake." The next day I went by the shop and asked about it. They said they never called anybody the previous day about any uniforms.

And that's not all. Less than a week later I applied for a job with a new security firm. And what I found kind of odd is my friend (a security guard I worked with from a different company) who was good friends with the firm's owner said that that this security firm I'm applying with is composed of sheriff's deputies who work as security guards in their spare time. And the owner of the firm is a narcotics division agent with the sheriff's department. AND when I went to pick up my patches from the main boss of the security-firm after I did my job interview (which happened to take place in the parking lot outside of a strip club. lol.) I looked at the patches and the coat of arms designs including the badge etc and they were very identical to that of the patches of the local sheriff's department. Same color and all. IN FACT the insignia was the exact same insignia (old-school insignia) used by the sheriff's department before they changed it.

Weird huh?

reply to post by Marked One


O_O

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by RANDOMguess
WHAT can someone explain wtf this means in a nice one liner. Dam it with all the words, what happened to less is more.

Sure. A guy in a physics lab got some odd results from sending photons through a sheet with two slits in it. Instead of collecting only two slit patterns on the collector target sheet, he collected three. Then he set up observation cameras and the number of proton slit patterns changed to two. He wasn't sure what to make of it, but documented it anyway.

Some professional writer got ahold of that story and partnered with a guy with a physics degree and wrote a book recently that claims that the research results prove that you can change the past by rethinking what the past was. The problem is this isn't what the research indicated at all, and there are people who are running off cliffs all over the Internet as a result of that idiot's book, proclaiming all kinds of stuff now. The author places "PhD" after his name and never tells people that it's a PhD in English, not Physics. He wanted a book deal and he got a book deal. Happy ending.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Oh now, that's not nice. I've never heard of such book, nor do I know about the "Doctor" you're talking about. You've made a lot of accusations in this thread. It would be nice if some of them were true.

Originally posted by Gamma MO
reply to post by Gseven

 

Re: Has the study been mentioned where test scores were higher for students who did a study session AFTER the test?

A storm is hovering over the editors of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, which is to publish a paper offering evidence for precognition – knowledge of unpredictable future events. Feeling the Future, written by Daryl Bem, an emeritus professor of Cornell University, reports the results of nine experiments with more than 1,000 subjects, all but one of which appear to suggest paranormal powers. His findings are due to be published by the respected journal this year, and sceptics have been queueing up to rubbish them.

Among Bem's contentions is that participants given a memory test were more likely to remember words that they were later asked to practise, suggesting that the effects of this post-test rehearsal somehow reached back in time. Source

edit on 8-2-2011 by Gamma MO because: (no reason given)

Oh thanks!! Actually, I really do GET THIS, and I think it will help folks understand what I'm trying to explain. There is a very real disconnect here between understanding it in our head and putting it into words so that others can understand. I'm not doing so well with it, but this gives me another avenue of approach, and I appreciate you sharing!

For those of you reading this, (and I hope everyone does), this article is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Since time is not linear, and the past, present and future exist all at once, then so do we. YOU DON'T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS PART TO UNDERSTAND THE NEXT PART. Just accept it. All versions of us exist all at the same time, every time, period. We just don't know it, can't fathom it, and can't make sense of it yet. This is why so many folks are attacking this issue. While I did make this thread about changing the past, it really is about the nature of time. Understand that, and everything else will make sense.

Now, the concept of this study was that the subjects were given tests, but then were told to study AFTER the tests. Doesn't make sense, does it? Or does it? This taps into our innate ability (although mostly unrecognized) to draw upon our past and future experiences for help in the NOW. We already do it for the past....who here hasn't learned from a mistake or repeated a learned success? We ALL have! We do it everyday, every hour practically....everything we do is learned from the past. But in those rare moments of what we'd call precognitive episodes, we are really just connecting with our future selves IN OUR SAME DIMENSION. We have many future selves, and all of them are possible, and all of them are different.

Follow me here for minute....at the moment those people took the test, there were two possibilities opened for outcomes. One in which their future selves didn't study, and one in which they did. They actively participated in selecting one dimension over the other by studying after the fact.

Hopefully, this is helping. I will continue to try. If you don't understand this, YOU ARE NORMAL. Nobody does! But if you are able to grasp even a small sliver of this, it's a start!

Originally posted by Topato
reply to post by Gseven

 

Sounds like quantum entanglement.

But I still find it hard to understand, can you give a specific example of how I can change the past? Like if I choose to skip lunch today, would that make me skinnier in the past? Or what?

"Time keeps everything from happening at once"

edit on 8-2-2011 by Topato because: (no reason given)

I wish!! Already tried it...doesn't work. I can't give you, anyone else, or even myself any examples, because I am still trying to wade through this just like all of you. We can't approach this with regular thinking, (i.e., let's skip lunch so that our past selves get skinnier), but rather, we need unconventional thinking. I'll pose something, to see if it turns on any light bulbs....

Warning, these are now MY IDEAS, not those of physicists, but maybe they have already stated it and I just am not aware of it.

I believe it is entirely probable that everything we experience in the NOW (present), is really the past catching up to us. Everything we have done in the past is rippling up to now, and we spend our time "reacting" to it. All of our ACTIONS/REACTIONS in the present are really the groundwork for the future. But everyone knows that ripples don't go one direction only...they go out in all directions. This is how the web bot concept works, and I've stated before that I believe it is entirely accurate...even if the predictions never came true. They just didn't come true in OUR reality. At the time of the prediction, it was one of many possible outcomes. We just so happened to choose a different outcome than the prediction. I've also stated that I believe that the web bot people KNOW this and use it for this very reason....as a preventative tool, not necessarily a prophetic one. Make sense?

Now, having said all that, I believe we must wade through the crap in the past for a significant time before we can ever experience real change in the future. However, if we continue to fall into repeated traps, we will continue the cycle of that particular "loop", so to speak. Have you ever noticed that each of us typically has the same things that keep happening to us? For one person, maybe they can't keep a steady relationship. For another, everyone around them keeps dying. For another, they keep getting robbed. And so on and so on...

I pose the question that if these cycles keep repeating, then how we do we stop it? We are the only ones going around in a circle. What's the solution? It's easy. The next time that event occurs, don't react. LAUGH! Have humor! Be grateful for it! Give the universe an unexpected and positive response, and that cycle will cease to occur. BUT, people must remember that we have many, MANY loops that are coming around at us from our past. So even if we fix one and we succeed, don't be disappointed if happens again. We must wade through and endure the past before the future is set. And in doing so, the past will change as well because they all three exist at the same time. Every moment contains the past, the present, and the future. Change one and you change the others. It just IS. Forget that we've been conditioned to believe it is impossible. Not only is it possible, but we've been doing it for thousands of years, unknowingly!

You don't have to understand it, and you probably won't. If by some crazy chance you DO grasp it and can explain it better than I have or that others have, please do! Take your best shot! This is not an easy topic AT ALL, and completely defies everything we know or are comfortable with. I realize I may not have answered your question very well, but I did try. I'm still grasping this myself.

reply to post by Marked One


Wow, that IS a wild story! I'd say you got caught in a time warp of sorts, where your time line overlapped by a few weeks and caused the past, present and future to happen all at the same time. Or maybe you were shifting between dimensions? Neat to ponder though, huh? Wow...cool story! I 'm sure if we all thought about it, we could remember instances like this in our lives, but we passed it off as just "that was weird", and continued on with what we were doing.

OmegaPoint Logotherapy
Let's apply it then, within this non-localized, timeless spaceless POV or frame of reference via the present moment recollection and re-cognition of certain past memories of percieved events which were in our experience formative, causative events in our life, and see how this might allow us a new access point mechanism (something which previously unavailable being in the realm of the "unknown unknown") by which to view it and to "grok" it, in a whole new context - thereafter fully recognized also fullly integrated once and FOR ALL TIME (beginning as always of course with the end in mind). I almost sense a smile already coming on here, since we already know all these things anyway, as the always always condition of our natural way of being, of our true and authentic, and completely liberated self, free to choose with awareness, recognizing as always that we are after all only creating an ongoing "story" of life from the eternally unfolding present moment of now - where all timelines intersect.

Of course any such recognition thereafter, and already always now and forever (since the mind once it changes shape can never go back to it's original configuration) may then produce, as a gateway access point, a radical and transformative shift in human perceptual awareness (OmegaPoint ie: ongoing timeless recognition) - in a very very empowering and liberating way, since context and framing is and means everything. This recognition then in effect reverses the arrow of time (and causation?) henceforth inviting and allowing us (with compassion) to no longer live relative to the past we think we are moving out of, but instead, to the very FUTURE we are living INTO as the realm or domain of all possibility (holy of holies) and therefore, from the perspective of that which is always and forever, perfect, whole and complete (our true self).
It's nothing coercise however, but simply an invitation to stand in that space, and from that lofty position, look back on our life, at three formative events now recollections (recorded in the present) in the only REALITY that is EVER available - in and from the present, the fully human person (in this case YOU) now set free (or soon..) to joyfully plow the whole field with creative novelty and therefore, in a happy way, your joy made complete, your sense of humor, restored.

Let's see if this new paradigm can be applied then, even now, in real time..

Would anyone be willing to participate in this? Sure, why not, right?

Ok, then here goes - OmegaPoint Logotherapy
[now in the role as omegapoint logotherapist... clearing throat to ask the first questions of you my beloved client, looking at you with the most unconditionally loving, carefree, happy and non-judgemental demeanor, leaning forward slighly, smiling..

to follow...

reply to post by Gseven


I get it too. I can't tell why or how or explain it rationally but I get it.

Originally posted by Screwed
I think I'm going to try something.
I am going to start remembering a past that never happened.

No no, there's no NEED for that, that's absurd, everything's been recorded, the tracks to a revelation and illumination are precisely in our own interpretations ABOUT what happened. It's nothing to be afraid of, "the past", since all that remains is the "spin" we put on it and how it's recollected and how it's remembered and recorded, from the present! There's no need to become neurotic about something so harmless, and when you come to a complete reintegration of it, as is, making available absolute and authentic love, in forgiveness why then you'll be truly you as you really are..

Why imprison yourself in a lie when all you need to is to liberate yourself with the truth itself, which is infinitely more worthwhile, and the very reason and purpose of life! The NEW LIFE then is the one we're creating from the timeless present moment realization (all there is). It's not conditional of the past, but of the future, where the past is nothing but our interpretations about "what happened" but the future we are living into through the present, now that represents the possibility of real life, authentic life, peace, everlasting joy, happiness.

What you're proposing is inauthentic, and therefore not real, and the whole point of this isn't to divorce ourselves from reality, but to find it, to seek and find the truth that sets us free.

In my opinion, changing the past would imply violating the law of karma, the law of action and reaction, thus throwing out of balance our finely tuned universe.

Perhaps cultivating an understanding and acceptance of the past would be a more fruitful activity than trying to find loopholes in the law of consequences?

Even a small POD, point of divergence in historical reasoning can make a huge difference in perception. Given the state of media science the potential for abuse is enormous. Revisionist history evolves differently depending on the individual nature. Some people have too much of an emotional investment in any particular paradigm to consider alternatives. For them even uncorroborated anecdotal evidence can leave a permanent tattoo. On the other extreme you have people that swing back and forth with the latest spin never researching their own opinions or trying to buttress their realities with objective facts. I imagine a thousand years from now someone looking back on our posts with historical hind sight would think we were pretty backward, gullible and petty.