Change your PAST, and you will change your FUTURE!

reply to post by mikeybiznaz


I see where you're coming from. The possibilities are endless though. The realisation that a consciously aware observer creates reality is new science. It's barely understood, but the idea that we can reflect on our past to alter our current state of being dates back as far as humanity.

Originally posted by AdAstra
reply to post by ChaosMagician

 

Semantics are "petty"? : )
I rest my case.

If, surprisingly enough to me, not even the transparent, self-explanatory surface of my post - or its tone, which was one of genuine questioning, free of every hint of verbal confrontation or provocation on a purely verbal level - if even that escapes you, it demonstrates what I was saying.
Sadly, it's not I who needs a demonstration of that.

You have no idea of the variety and depth of other people's experience.
Judging by this post - common knowledge? common sense? - it sounds like you may even be thinking that, unless something is reported by CNN or BBC or whatever, it could not possibly have a valid existence.

Not knowing is perfectly alright.
But failing to acknowledge it even to oneself leads nowhere.

Good luck to you.

If they are "petty" semantics... then yes. is that confusing to you? It shouldn't be.

all this stuff about questioning and all that... you wanna play semantics. Ok. Let's play.
So you were coming at me with honest questioning and want consideration for that. Then go back and consider MY question, becasue I did ask one first that was completely ignored and I'm not sure what makes you think this would inspire me to continue the conversation but I do believe it is a stark oversight on your part. Now you've become a hypocrit in my eyes. this isn't getting anywhere is it?

What you have demonstrated is something about yourself. You speak of a cage of words. It seems to me you are attempting to build that cage by overcomplicating something that started off as a very simple question of mine and i do not appreciate it and I don't think anything of any importance that anyone who matters will take heed of. in short, no one cares what you think of me or my posts. Get over it. Do you really expect me to be taken aback by your idea of a net reputation of myself... or that these few words of yours are going to change anything in my world? I think it's a shame you waste your time on trying to pick out negative things on someone else to try to show an example.. and an example is indeed what you are trying to show and it is reaffirmed by your thoughts on providing "demonstrations" Your intentions are all too transparent and you are not very good at this.

I do have a idea of the depth of my own experience... so don't tread on my grief. Only a lowly, inconsiderate, unintelligent person would willingly and knowingly tread on someone else's grief. I can tell you don't like being called out on this at all, but it's not my fault that you set yourself up for just that. perhaps you really need to think about where pretension is going to lead you or what it's going to earn you in life... because if you are pretending that others do not grieve and have things they want to change more than anything else they think about then there is no help for you.

If you have nothing to say about my original question (which is pretty #ing obvious that you don't) then maybe you should just get the hell off my grief. That is the logical, thoughtful, rational thing for anyone to do who is not suffering from an ego that wants to overcompensate itself. I mean really... didn't your mother teach you any manners in life? Mine certainly taught me but she certainly didn't teach me to put up with being tread on.

I politely asked a question. Reply to THAT question or stfu. Simple enough for you?

Furthermore... I wasn't even asking you in the first place.

I asked someone else because i agreed with their notion that negative energies can be overcome if they are identified... SOME, not all. So I asked a question relating to negative things that absolutely cannot be changed as far as the current reality dictates. I got no answer.... only started being questioned by this name you provided here.

What a joke.

When you find that no one is listening, don't bother to question yourself why.

reply to post by mysticnoon


Cool. But my only question then is what has this evalation, based on a babies conclusion, opened up for you, if anything, and how might the recognition generate a new possibility for yourself and others. What might you now be able to freely create for yourself and your life that you would not have otherwise had access to, and can you not, in spite of all the horrors and punishment and sufferings, which for all we know might very well have stemmed from a past life, and yet here you are now, at the end of that karmic cycle in a newfound way of being and thinking, whereby you chose the suffering in order to completely surrender - can you not see the humor in this absurdity, now that it's over with - can you laugh out loud at how absurd life is, that one simple meaning and a strong resistence and fear, assigned by an infant you, holding to the belief that you MUST deserve punishment, given how horrifying and terrible this world is, and given what can happen to us, particularly at the hands of others (a fair assumption for a small child, particularly if you were ever dropped by an adult say, maybe hitting your head on the floor or something, these things happen, and other similar horrors)...... ?

OmegaPoint Logotherapy is not successful unless and until you have the entire reframe, in absolute acceptance and forgiveness, and the understanding that such absurdities can and do occur, especially for young children growing up, and of course it's all been worthwhile, but not completely, until such thing that it's recognized and reintegrated, and the humor extracted, the authentic self expression realized, as the whole you you are now, perfect whole and complete (while scooping up this tiny babies error, and recovering the baby and now reintegrating him as our ally, and our friend, who didn't know any better) but oh when look at what this has WROUGHT in our lives, as a resistence (what we resist persists) - every time , at least in this therapy, it will bring forth many tears, and then many smiles, and much mirth, humor and laughter ie: our facepalm moment - is that present at all for you?

reply to post by mysticnoon


Yes, had I more data then "we" could have easily reached the omegapoint (end) realization.

You took it ALL THE WAY, and went ever further with this first notion of somehow being bad for being born here and thus deserving of punishment.

You really ran with that, since it initially evoked in you, such a powerful reaction, and so in self conscious awareness, your life was then motivated to validate this POV.

Now of course we could assume that you did something bad in a past life - but that would be just an assumption, right.

It's possible, that the tiny baby, was simply mistaken as to the original conclusion that was drawn, no?

How absurd would that be?

Absurd enough to bring the tears and the laughter which wipes away those tears, right?

Babies make mistakes - that too is a valid interpretation, from our present moment perspective.

When you get this, fully - I want to you smile authentically, and recall to yourself the wondrous glory that you've already discovered yourself to be, but there's nothing here to continue to work with, having been realized in the fullness of time and history, it can therefore now be completely forgiven and forgotten. Where we take it from there is up to us, but it's important that we remember that whoever we are being and the way we are responding and reacting to life, is our own creation. While there's not no one there, we realize that it doesn't matter as much just who and what we are (suffender) and in the process become no-self realized, but we have this tendency, of taking the whole thing much much too far, this life drama of ours, eh? It's true.

Me I'd rather be fully authentic than continuing to perpetuate a drama motivated for inauthentic reasons, how insulting to my own intelligence!

Hey would you mind, mysticnoon. visiting the OmegaPoint Logotherapy part of the Alchemy Thread in my signature, I would love to explore this there. Maybe we'll have some laughs, anything's possible..

And when I asked if you could recognize the humor in it as a consideration, when considering the absurdity of the whole mess, that does not mean of course that I'm laughing at you by any means or asking you to laugh (I would beg you to laugh however if it would help), because funny as we all know doesn't work that way, it's got to be freely and authentically self expressed, and it's just one possible response in the recognition that's all, although I cannot see how a smile doesn't emerge now even in the midst of all the suffering and sorrows, in the forgiveness and the "grokking" which we can now lay aside or forget about it, since it no longer has any meaning or significance (omegapoint logos). Of course we never truly forget any of these types of recollections, except that now, according to the science of the OP, we've re-recollected it and re-recorded it, now, from the present moment (there's no there back there anywhere anyway, no past in that sense) and reinterpreted it, from within a whole new copntextual frame of reference which is by it's very nature already perfect and whole and complete, without fear, here, and now, as our real selves, here now at the END of OmegaPoint Logotherapy (did I mention that it works at the speed of timelessness..?)

Best Regards,

NAM

I had many short early memories but when i started remembering on a regular basis... or when I became more aware day in and day out... i suppose i was three or almost three and I could talk and my mother was showing my sister how to write her name on the chalkboard and I assumed that naturally i could also spell my name so I asked to have the chalk and was given the opportunity to write my name as though i knew exactly what i was doing. Naturally, I did not but felt confident that this was undoubtedly my name and looked at my sister as though she could learn a thing or two at which time she became very upset at my desire to make it look so simple and our name writing endeavor was hence spoiled.

What did I learn from this. 1) You cannot make up your own name... or perhaps you can and others simply do not like this idea...hmmm...??

2) Being a know it all is a sure fire way to end a lesson and go play.

3) Either I live in a fantasy world or my sister was not very good at make believe. I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

You took it ALL THE WAY, and went ever further with this first notion of somehow being bad for being born here and thus deserving of punishment,

Yes, and it seems there is a chance that I will revisit this whole drama again next life, except this time I am not anticipating "ascension", as it were, so it shouldn't come as too much of a shock when I find myself back in the world.

Hey would you mind, mysticnoon. visiting the OmegaPoint Logotherapy part of the Alchemy Thread in my signature, I would love to explore this there.

OK, I am willing to give it a go, though it may take me a while to absorb what you have written there.

Of course we never truly forget any of these types of recollections, except that now, according to the science of the OP, we've re-recollected it and re-recorded it, now, from the present moment (there's no there back there anywhere anyway, no past in that sense) and reinterpreted it, from within a whole new copntextual frame of reference which is by it's very nature already perfect and whole and complete, without fear, here, and now, as our real selves, here now at the END of OmegaPoint Logotherapy (did I mention that it works at the speed of timelessness..?)

I find that much of my past had already gone through a radical process of re-interpretation when my perception shifted from an atheistic to a mystic viewpoint. The re-interpretation was further refined through my subsequent study of astrology, and continues to be adjusted as new experiences provide a fresh retrospective lense.

It may be relevant to this discussion that I generally try to avoid talking about my past, even when friends and family express great interest. After posting those personal things about myself the other day, I really cringed about it in hindsight, and hoped that it wouldn't set in stone any particular image of myself. The past and I don't have a very comfortable relationship, as I much prefer to move on and release it, not so much as to deny it, but more because the identity and awareness I have in this moment often differs substantially to that which I had in the past.

reply to post by mysticnoon

It's just part of who we are, and according to the OP, it doesn't even exist except as it's recorded in the present, since all timelines are in the present moment in eternity now. I applaud your courage to share, and I am convinced that it's helped someone, a reader a member, someone who's actively engaged even still in a certain projection based on an interepretation about something that happened "back there", but there's no there there except to the degree that we're projecting the past into the future along the lines of a false sense of time, which is nothing but a program, a reaction/reaponse robotic program of learned behavior and ways of thinking and of being and acting. Someone's going to have an epiphany, and will have this experience as a result of seriously doing their own work, their own "fearless inventory". Your sharing simply demonstrates your courage nothing more, and why worry about image anyway if we're being authentically self expressed (although that can entail a little bit of risk..).

I am very happy for you in your new way of being, having largely overcome this pattern already.

Imagine what kind of gift this could be for someone else, to see how this can be traced in history or in their own life story, what possibility might that open up for someone..?

What you offered can only be recieved as a gift. Thank you.

Um, just one question though - why are you planning on continuing with the same theme in the NEXT life, that's what I'd be curious to know or understand... maybe just for something to DO..?

Isn't the realm or domain of all possibilty filled with more than one ongoing story or saga of say being punished for being bad..?

I don't know, but the whole thing just raises so much mirth and laughter for me - then again I actually peed directly into the doctors face when I was born, so maybe a certain sense of humor at the indignity and the terror of being born was with me even then ie: I was very lucky.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Um, just one question though - why are you planning on continuing with the same theme in the NEXT life, that's what I'd be curious to know or understand... maybe just for something to DO..?

Well, not exactly planning it, but let me explain the way I see it at the moment.

At the time of my death last time around, I had high expectations of finding myself in the spiritual realms because I falsely imagined that I was quite "advanced' on my spiritual journey. This time around, I know better, so that expectation of being "raised up" out of this world will not be there at the time of my passing, which means that being born again in this world shouldn't come as any kind of shock or disappointment. I would assume, also, that my child's mind will be less likely to put such a negative spin on it, as there will probably be an overall sense of acceptance.

Does that make sense?

Maybe I am completely missing something, what with the complexities of quantum mechanics, but I don't think that you can change your past. It's true that, in the present, you could think back to the past and make a conscious decision to remember past events differently, or interpret past events in different way - which, in a sense, would be changing the past. But it would only be changing the past for yourself. No matter how much you convince yourself that something in the past didn't happen (or that it happened differently), it's not going to actually physically change what happened.
For example, say your cat died in the past - thinking and believing that he didn't die isn't going make it a reality and therefore change the future. I mean, you can convince yourself that the fact that he died doesn't bother you - and maybe that would change your future. But there is nothing outstanding in convincing yourself of something that isn't true.

But I see that part of your argument involves "science" that I can't quite wrap my mind around, so I might be missing the main part of the argument.

reply to post by mysticnoon


That's interesting and yes, it makes perfect sense, but now that it's already realized I would be forced to predict something better by far than either you or I can possibly imagine.

reply to post by xFloggingMaryx


All it's saying is that the past is only memory and story nothing more, and that the only real existence is always in the eternally unfolding present moment which contains imbedded within it all timelines. Plus the very moment the past has been reintegrated then we are no longer living out of it, but intstead solely into the future we are creating, as a created and creative being. This no doubt changes the future-past we are living into, and therefore all timelines, from the present in eternity. There is only what is now, in other words. The past no longer exists except as memory and recollection, there's no back there, "there", any more, doesn't work that way, so nothing's changed except the entire frame of reference, through the eternally unfolding present moment, and that's formative, and thus creative, and therefore ripe with fun and enjoyment, happiness and laughter.

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
I had many short early memories but when i started remembering on a regular basis... or when I became more aware day in and day out... i suppose i was three or almost three and I could talk and my mother was showing my sister how to write her name on the chalkboard and I assumed that naturally i could also spell my name so I asked to have the chalk and was given the opportunity to write my name as though i knew exactly what i was doing. Naturally, I did not but felt confident that this was undoubtedly my name and looked at my sister as though she could learn a thing or two at which time she became very upset at my desire to make it look so simple and our name writing endeavor was hence spoiled.

What did I learn from this. 1) You cannot make up your own name... or perhaps you can and others simply do not like this idea...hmmm...??

2) Being a know it all is a sure fire way to end a lesson and go play.

3) Either I live in a fantasy world or my sister was not very good at make believe. I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

edit on 13-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I had a simular experience trying to cook a hard boiled egg at 3:00am, doing everything perfectly with the exception of the water, which makes the egg no doubt smell funny when it starts cooking..

Anyway, I'd be curious (in light of this experience) how you would characterize your relationship with your sister now..?

Well this is just a perfect example of "What he says"/What he really means

"If you meditate on your past"/If you fantasize a lot about what you wished your childhood would have been like

Then you can send a message from your future to change your past/Then you can come up with a really good story while in your psychologically isolated state about what "past" you "should have" come from to achieve what you always wanted and rationalize the desire enough to go ahead and make the leap into making up a whole new past about yourself and integrating it into your social circle (or abandoning it entirely for a new one) in hopes of raising your status through deception....Lie about your past to change your future.

This is the same "Word of Faith" "Name it and claim it" "blab it and grab it" gobbledegook that has been fleecing the socially isolated intellectually lazy mostly unemployed lower working to lower middle (by marriage) class since the late 60's with Werner Erhard and Erhard Seminar Training bullcrap. Crooked liars getting rich by brainwashing people into playing make believe their whole lives. Worse than evangelical christianity this is if it goes on long enough as far as long term psychological damage....and evangelical christianity is pretty destructive. This has essentially brainwashed an entire culture into becoming pathological liars and delusional featherheads. It has exacerbated the pre-existing mental illnesses of the demographic of people attracted to this kind of thing.

You can not fantasize your past into the future of your dreams. Everything that you have done is everything that you are. What you do with that is what will determine what you will become. You can not lie your past away. Even if you ditch everyone you ever knew and find a whole new group of people. It will catch up with you eventually. Either in the form of something creeping up on you one day, or simply sinking into mental illness as a result of having to keep up a full time lie (which gets really hard - psychologically - after a couple years)

I'll be glad when the human race matures beyond this rather onerous phase of its development.

OP. You are a monster.

reply to post by Control


Your logical is fine, but it isn't about making up a lie as far as most people here are suggesting, though I toyed with the notion.

Also I see enough people reinvent the past to suit themselves. They don't need help. Okay, now I'm being facetious because I actually enjoyed reading your comment but what field of psychology is worthwhile? It's all a means to an end.

I'm reasonably happy with the idea of re-addressing issues in my past by seeing how my apprehension are wrong. I gave it a go. I still have questions and I definitely think you'll do yourself harm if you start rearranging things, if you can. I investigated it as if time is present except for 'now' and found myself in a loop where faith has the same role in any case. If you trust that there is a better future, you'll act accordingly and as you acknowledge the good things as they go by, you already affected your past. If you interpret the past with a positive mindset you alter your aspect to the past times. That's the hard part to grasp, but mainly because we prefer not to think like that.

What do I achieve... nothing. That's the way we already go about things. The only difference is that we take our role to determine our future more seriously. For example I might get nervous and in my fear I can start having negative thoughts about a past event, laying blame as it were. At the same time I can fear the future because I know I'll recreate the negative spin - again and again. The event in question isn't realistic. It's a tool. In short, I go from being flippant and emotional without direction to being more honest.

I guess what I'm saying is it's best to go with the flow. Leave the past as it was, but try to capture the moment in a more enlightened fashion. It can be a cure to the madness you described.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
I had many short early memories but when i started remembering on a regular basis... or when I became more aware day in and day out... i suppose i was three or almost three and I could talk and my mother was showing my sister how to write her name on the chalkboard and I assumed that naturally i could also spell my name so I asked to have the chalk and was given the opportunity to write my name as though i knew exactly what i was doing. Naturally, I did not but felt confident that this was undoubtedly my name and looked at my sister as though she could learn a thing or two at which time she became very upset at my desire to make it look so simple and our name writing endeavor was hence spoiled.

What did I learn from this. 1) You cannot make up your own name... or perhaps you can and others simply do not like this idea...hmmm...??

2) Being a know it all is a sure fire way to end a lesson and go play.

3) Either I live in a fantasy world or my sister was not very good at make believe. I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

edit on 13-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I had a simular experience trying to cook a hard boiled egg at 3:00am, doing everything perfectly with the exception of the water, which makes the egg no doubt smell funny when it starts cooking..

Anyway, I'd be curious (in light of this experience) how you would characterize your relationship with your sister now..?

oh, it's fine but they always thought I was weird... perhaps I was a bit strange. sometimes it seems she doesn't know me or understand me and sometimes i have a hard time understanding her but she is my sister and that's how we pretty much act towards each other... like sisters. little distant, more so than childhood but friendly sisters none the less.

Originally posted by ChaosMagician

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
I had many short early memories but when i started remembering on a regular basis... or when I became more aware day in and day out... i suppose i was three or almost three and I could talk and my mother was showing my sister how to write her name on the chalkboard and I assumed that naturally i could also spell my name so I asked to have the chalk and was given the opportunity to write my name as though i knew exactly what i was doing. Naturally, I did not but felt confident that this was undoubtedly my name and looked at my sister as though she could learn a thing or two at which time she became very upset at my desire to make it look so simple and our name writing endeavor was hence spoiled.

What did I learn from this. 1) You cannot make up your own name... or perhaps you can and others simply do not like this idea...hmmm...??

2) Being a know it all is a sure fire way to end a lesson and go play.

3) Either I live in a fantasy world or my sister was not very good at make believe. I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

edit on 13-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I had a simular experience trying to cook a hard boiled egg at 3:00am, doing everything perfectly with the exception of the water, which makes the egg no doubt smell funny when it starts cooking..

Anyway, I'd be curious (in light of this experience) how you would characterize your relationship with your sister now..?

oh, it's fine but they always thought I was weird... perhaps I was a bit strange. sometimes it seems she doesn't know me or understand me and sometimes i have a hard time understanding her but she is my sister and that's how we pretty much act towards each other... like sisters. little distant, more so than childhood but friendly sisters none the less.

edit on 14-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I don't mean to pry, just wondering if the theory and model holds up ie: if, in that recognition and remembrance, there could be detected any parts of a formative central "theme" within the context of that relationship, which might have later on operated, up until now, as a constraint or limitation against authentic mutual self expression and/or of "sisterly love". If you could, is there anything you would change about your relationship with your sis? Or is the status quo good enough? If I told you it could be altered in a heartbeat, would you want to and be prepared take any action to remove any such constraint or inauthenticity? Just asking, not proding. Just curious.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by ChaosMagician

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
I had many short early memories but when i started remembering on a regular basis... or when I became more aware day in and day out... i suppose i was three or almost three and I could talk and my mother was showing my sister how to write her name on the chalkboard and I assumed that naturally i could also spell my name so I asked to have the chalk and was given the opportunity to write my name as though i knew exactly what i was doing. Naturally, I did not but felt confident that this was undoubtedly my name and looked at my sister as though she could learn a thing or two at which time she became very upset at my desire to make it look so simple and our name writing endeavor was hence spoiled.

What did I learn from this. 1) You cannot make up your own name... or perhaps you can and others simply do not like this idea...hmmm...??

2) Being a know it all is a sure fire way to end a lesson and go play.

3) Either I live in a fantasy world or my sister was not very good at make believe. I guess it all depends on how you look at it.

edit on 13-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I had a simular experience trying to cook a hard boiled egg at 3:00am, doing everything perfectly with the exception of the water, which makes the egg no doubt smell funny when it starts cooking..

Anyway, I'd be curious (in light of this experience) how you would characterize your relationship with your sister now..?

oh, it's fine but they always thought I was weird... perhaps I was a bit strange. sometimes it seems she doesn't know me or understand me and sometimes i have a hard time understanding her but she is my sister and that's how we pretty much act towards each other... like sisters. little distant, more so than childhood but friendly sisters none the less.

edit on 14-2-2011 by ChaosMagician because: (no reason given)

I don't mean to pry, just wondering if the theory and model holds up ie: if, in that recognition and remembrance, there could be detected any parts of a formative central "theme" within the context of that relationship, which might have later on operated, up until now, as a constraint or limitation against authentic mutual self expression and/or of "sisterly love". If you could, is there anything you would change about your relationship with your sis? Or is the status quo good enough? If I told you it could be altered in a heartbeat, would you want to and be prepared take any action to remove any such constraint or inauthenticity? Just asking, not proding. Just curious.

well, I must admit that I'm a bit of a lazy reader so despite having read bits and pieces... i haven't read the whole thing and am really not sure if i have the whole idea to begin with.

I will say this. Me and that sister of mine have had some good times as giggling little girls where it seemed we were more on each others level. I'm not saying we are so far apart that we can't related to each other at all but sure, there are things over the years that I wish had gone differently that I attribute to misunderstandings between me and my sister. I don't want to go too far into right now though. i will give it some thought though... I just don't want to be in here complaining about our misunderstandings and if there is a better way to express it, maybe I can give some more details... but i don't want to make it sound like bad blood or anything. We just don't seem to know each other as we did when we were silly little girls doing silly things.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


You know meditation is the best cure. The thing I've started to realise is that you will only ever reach a deeper paradigm. Sis / sis just keep her in your mind when all else goers by. Where, I don't know. Whatever transpires you are going to be calm.

Too much talk talk.

I find that I end with a deeper, less restricted view if I mediate - depending on what never goes still.
There's something to be said about not blowing out the candle. Me I experiment on myself and of course I've taken meditation through the gambit. It takes faith, (as you understand).

Thoughts

I talk about faith a lot, but it's also called confidence, or synapse created by thought.

Our biological drives are automated so the faith in that is also subconscious.

Does it matter, no? The source of free-will is not well represented by biology.

Free will is the only reality we know - even monkeys




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reply to post by bowtomonkey


Perhaps its also a case of perception. Change our eyes, and we will see a different world.