Chick-fil-A controversy shines light on restaurant's Christian DNA

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Annee

 

It affects me none.

Now tell us how you can be a hypocrite with a straight (no pun intended) face.

Explain how I am a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Gseven

 

Tell me how two consenting adults of the same sex getting married affects you.

What?!? Uh...ok...it doesn't. What the heck does that have to do with any of this? I thought we were talking about Chick-fil-A and their right to donate to a Christian Marriage group. I must have missed the memo where you made it about gay marriage and how it affects me??

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Annee

 

It affects me none.

Now tell us how you can be a hypocrite with a straight (no pun intended) face.

Explain how I am a hypocrite.

You know what? I just realized something.....you're f****** with all of us. Baiting, hooking and reeling. And we fell for it. I'd ask who you REALLY are, but that would be violating anonymity rights on ATS. You're not a 67 year old grandma. I don't believe that for one second.

I don't know what game you think you're playing, but I'm hip to it now, and I'm out.

reply to post by Annee

Oh, dear... you must like contradicting yourself, Annee.

Actually NO! I do question why anyone would give themselves the moniker of "Redneck" and list themself from Alabama.

Maybe because it tends to show people's bigotry?

Are you saying you would feel differently about me if I only changed my username to "GayBiffFromLA" and hid my location?

No Redneck - - it is not personal. Stop interpreting. Please tell me where men (in general) are a suppressed minority and require an equal rights group to support them.

Equal Rights for ALL - - - means exactly that. Equal Rights for ALL.

See, now you have me all confused. Does "equal rights for all" include equal rights for men? Or are men not included in the term "ALL"?

It's not personal... I just used an example. What is your definition of "ALL"? Does it exclude any other demographics besides men? Maybe Christians? You do realize that globally there are more Muslims than Christians, right?

You know, I was all about to call my attempts to clarify your statements a wash, but then you go and post this in other posts:

Originally posted by Annee
I am only talking about US minority equality rights. I mean - should we go into caste systems in India? No - I don't think so.

This seems to clarify things.... you support equality for anyone who is a member of certain groups. See how easy that was? That is your right, to express your desire for equality for certain people only.

And then we have this:

Originally posted by Annee
I support they can not hide those donations. That it is up for public review and opinion.

Originally posted by Annee
And that they provide funding for political agendas of anti-gay - - - needs to be public knowledge.

Originally posted by Annee
I never made any mention of me donating money to anyone.

So let me understand you again... you support making all donations public, except yours?

Again, Annee, it's OK. You have the right to feel that way.

TheRedneck

Reply to post by Annee

Redneck stated the same thing I did a few pages back.

I stayed it on page 14, and was quoted by another member.


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Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Annee

Oh, dear... you must like contradicting yourself, Annee.

Actually NO! I do question why anyone would give themselves the moniker of "Redneck" and list themself from Alabama.

Maybe because it tends to show people's bigotry?

Are you saying you would feel differently about me if I only changed my username to "GayBiffFromLA" and hid my location?

Do you really think that is a mature response?

It was a serious question. You must realize that presenting yourself a certain way - - - is going to have an affect on how people respond to you - - simply because they are human.

It was not meant in a negative way. But you took it that way.

I wouldn't want you all to think I am running away - - but I am married - - and hubby is motioning for me to come watch a TV show with him.

Also - - I have to drive to CA in the morning - - so not sure when I'll be back on.

Real life - ya know.

Originally posted by TheRedneck

Originally posted by Annee
I never made any mention of me donating money to anyone.

So let me understand you again... you support making all donations public, except yours?

Again, Annee, it's OK. You have the right to feel that way.

TheRedneck

One more. Stop reading stuff into what I post.

A poster commented on me donating money. I never mentioned anything about donating money.

Its that simple.

Where do you come up with me not making my donations public - - - when its something I never discussed?

If you don't like it don't eat it... This just made me love this company, they should advertise this stuff. Man, I am in a good mood now

reply to post by Annee

Do you really think that is a mature response?

It was a serious question. You must realize that presenting yourself a certain way - - - is going to have an affect on how people respond to you - - simply because they are human.

Actually, I find that quite a few people are able to overcome that initial reaction and learn to accept me simply as a human, without all the prejudices. Usually we have a ball with it, cracking redneck jokes. It makes a great icebreaker. It is a pity you cannot do this... but again, that is your right. It really doesn't affect me.

It was not meant in a negative way. But you took it that way.

No, I didn't. I simply answered your question and posed one of my own. How is that immature or negative?


reply to post by Annee

A poster commented on me donating money. I never mentioned anything about donating money.

But you expect Chik-Fil-A to do so, right?

Where do you come up with me not making my donations public - - - when its something I never discussed?

Not discussing something is the same as not making that something public, is it not?

The point I was trying to make is that you are suggesting something be required to be public knowledge from one entity, while excluding that same requirement on yourself. I really don't care who you donate to; it's none of my business (and please don't actually post it). I simply believe that the owners of Chik-Fil-A should be able to keep that personal information private as well as you do. I realize you disagree with this.

Enjoy your trip.

TheRedneck

California. Land of fruits and nuts.

How ironic. heh heh.

I kid.

Have a safe trip Annee.


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reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

The hypocrisy is in saying that X should not use their money as they see fit, so Y is going to use their money as they see fit to show that X is wrong.

Getting peoples money under false pretenses is civilly actionable. It's called misrepresentation. Chick-fil-a is taking gay peoples money for food under false pretenses. The false pretense that Chick-fil-a is not anti-gay. If even one single gay person would have purchased elsewhere knowing that chick-fil-a is anti-gay, then chick-fil-a is liable.

If you claim to be a girl scout selling cookies and someone buys them because of that, and you later turn out to not be a girl scout then you are liable for misrepresenting yourself.

I never said Chick-fil-a couldn't use their money as they see fit.
I said that chick-fil-a is denying people (in this case gay) the right to protest with their money by pretending not to be anti-gay.

You're like the 2-3rd pro-chick-fil-a poster to put words in my mouth and purposefully misinterpret what I said.

Why can't any of you pro-chickies stick to my actual words?

Idiocy at its finest.

Yeah, your also the 2-3rd pro-chick-fil-a poster to use childish, immature, petulant insults against me.

Does my straight up manner, really get to all of you that much?
Why can't any of you pro-chick-fil-a stay civil?

U mad?

LMAO

Oh, and it is painfully obvious that they are a Christian valued restaurant, so they gay people should know that OBVIOISLY, the company would not support their agenda.

Go ahead and post what Christ said AGAINST homosexuals.

A brochure on the door of the Episcopal Chaplain's office at Stanford University reads, "What did Jesus say about homosexuality?" When the brochure is opened the inside is completely blank. Episcopal Chaplain Penelope Duckworth explains, "For we, as Christians, pay particular attention to the words of our savior. Jesus said nothing regarding homosexuality, and in his ministry spoke more about the sins of the spirit than the sins of the body...Our reading of the Bible in its entirety is one of a loving, forgiving and nurturing God who wants us to help create a world that accepts and empowers us all." (Letter to the Editor, by Rev. Penelope Duckworth, Elizabeth Cook and Cynthia Stotts Howard, the Stanford Daily March 1990).

Somehow, I doubt you know more about Christ than this person.

Feel free to post credentials to the contrary if you can.

Common sense here.

What? You aren't using it.
You are just spouting a whole bunch of unsupported claims.
It's painfully obvious that you don't really know what your talking about, like the other pro-chickies.

As for them supporting their Christian values … how are they not?

Christ said to forgive what you see as sinners, not attack them with money.

Chickie is casting stones at gay people, are the owners free from sin?

It's painfully obvious you aren't up on your Jesus either.

reply to post by Byteman

Getting peoples money under false pretenses is civilly actionable. It's called misrepresentation. Chick-fil-a is taking gay peoples money for food under false pretenses. The false pretense that Chick-fil-a is not anti-gay. If even one single gay person would have purchased elsewhere knowing that chick-fil-a is anti-gay, then chick-fil-a is liable.

So you feel every business in America by law should have to post all of their political and other activities in their establishments? Now that would be quite an achievement! Personally, every time I've gone into a Chick-fil-A it was to get some lunch or dinner, and have received what I ordered every time. I don't ever remember seeing a 'Support the GLBT cause' sandwich on their menu or any signs in their restaurants advertising such here in Colorado. Now I did know they were a Christian establishment, after asking a waitress why they were closed on Sundays. So they weren't hiding that fact.

Originally posted by Annee
Any business that has a belief system attached to it - - and that belief promotes discrimination and prejudice - - needs to be brought to Public Knowledge.

You mean any business that doesn't "work for the common good" or do business the way you think it should be done should be boycotted out of existence. Typical Socialist thought. Lord forbid (you see what I did there?) a business is allowed to donate whatever they want to whomever they want, as long it's within the confines of the law. But, of course, there's that whole "there ought to be a law against x" attitude you people have that is ruining any semblance of liberty this country has.

/TOA

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

So you feel every business in America by law should have to post all of their political and other activities in their establishments? Now that would be quite an achievement!

First, you'll have to quote that, because I'm 100% sure I didn't say that.
You, like some of the others are putting words in my mouth.

Second, It's not what I feel, it's a civil fact.
A business cannot misrepresent itself, and especially profit from misrepresenting itself.

Whether or not businesses should have to "[bare all, all the time]" is related in a tertiary manner, but it is not the subject. I won't derail the topic by going into that no matter how much you guys keep trying to mention it. I never said a business cannot have privacy, I said that a business cannot misrepresent themselves.

Personally, every time I've gone into a Chick-fil-A it was to get some lunch or dinner, and have received what I ordered every time.

I never said otherwise. So I can only wonder why you mention it.

Is it to make it seem like I said they refused service to certain people?
I didn't, FYI.

I don't ever remember seeing a 'Support the GLBT cause' sandwich on their menu or any signs in their restaurants advertising such here in Colorado.

Of course not, they support ANTI-gay organizations and groups.

Now I did know they were a Christian establishment, after asking a waitress why they were closed on Sundays. So they weren't hiding that fact.

I didn't say they were hiding the fact they are Christians.
I said they were hiding the fact that they are anti-gay.

reply to post by Byteman

First, you'll have to quote that, because I'm 100% sure I didn't say that.
You, like some of the others are putting words in my mouth.

Second, It's not what I feel, it's a civil fact.
A business cannot misrepresent itself, and especially profit from misrepresenting itself.

Whether or not businesses should have to "[bare all, all the time]" is related in a tertiary manner, but it is not the subject. I won't derail the topic by going into that no matter how much you guys keep trying to mention it. I never said a business cannot have privacy, I said that a business cannot misrepresent themselves.

OK, lets start off with how is Chick-fil-A misrepresenting itself in the gay community? That would be a good first step.

I didn't say they were hiding the fact they are Christians.
I said they were hiding the fact that they are anti-gay.

Second, how are they hiding the fact they are anti-gay? If they were hiding it, how did you crack their secret, and how hard was it to crack?

reply to post by Annee


May I ask you a question? Are you under the impression that Chik Fil-A has been refusing service to people who are gay? Because they have not.

If they had done that, I would agree with you... But they have not discriminated against anybody. All people are welcome to eat there, regardless of Race, religion, gender, handicap or sexual orientation.

The fact is that this is a private company who just happens to be run by Christians. The family that owns it is Christian and they do instill what they see as Christian values into their company.

They donated food, to a church who had a group of married couples there. That is all...Their personal opinions on gay marriage should be irrelevant.

Would you have a problem if there was a company out there who donated food to a pro gay marriage group? Or maybe to a group that is Anti Christian? Would you be in here saying the exact same things? I have a feeling that you might not have so much of a problem if they had donated to a gay marriage group.... But only you can speak for yourself.... So how would you respond in this thread if they had donated to a gay marriage group?

Now, I am very pro gay marriage. I believe in equal rights for ALL...and until the day there truly are equal rights for all, we should keep the dream alive, if I may borrow from Martin Luther King Jr.

Equal rights should apply to everyone... and as a private company, they have the right do do with their money as they see fit ( So long as it is legal). They chose to donate food to this group. That is their right.

So if you sit here, talking about equal rights... Then you need to understand, that equal rights go both ways. You cannot pick and choose, who gets equal rights and when. Everyone in this great country has equal rights, or rather, they are supposed to...

So how about it? Equal rights for all? Not just for those you or I happen to agree with? That is what it is all about, after all.

I will side step the political bickering aspect because I believe it to be complete crap. Here is the fact.


Chic-Fil-A as a franchise is a shining beacon in a world of lousy food and lousy service offered by chains who could give a crap about it's customers. This restaurant is head and complete shoulders above their competition.

They serve great food at affordable prices

They provide the absolute cleanest and well maintained physical eating establishments one can frequent.

They are extremely family friendly, and as such the stores are always packed with people and their children enjoying their time out together.

The kids they hire to work at the stores - neatly dressed, extremely courteous and well mannered, always willing to go above and beyond. They speak English and they dont act like they are doing you a huge favor by ackowledging your existence.

The bathrooms are immaculate. May not mean much to you unless you have gone into thje average McDonalds bathroom and waded through the urine ravine...or worse.

Management who have a spine and a belief in the company they work for, and not just some scumbags in a tie trying to make a fast buck serving slop to the stupids.

So what if the owner happens to be a Christian white male, something that is nearly illegal to be in this dead pan society that we live in. So what if the man believes in God, it is his right to do so. So what if he wants to donate sandwiches to feed a group of people he believes in. It's his money and his right as an American to spend his money and donate his time and supplies any way he see's fit.

I admire this old guy for doing what he believes is right, and just because he doesnt donate his money to gay causes and gay events and gay whatever doesnt mean he is a bigot or an evil person, it means he is expressing his right to exercise his convictions and to live his life the way he chooses.

That used to be an ok thing for an American to do.