Open challenge to debunkers!

reply to post by Raelsatu


There is actually a more solid and simple proof about it being a hoax. I don't remember the user who pointed it out unfortunately so I can't give him credit but if you watch the first, original video in full screen, at around 0:58 (right after the flash) you'll see that the left part of the screen is mirrored. I mean, the "city" just repeat itself but mirrored. This means that the software they've used to fake this has mirrored the image they used as a background because the shake effect they've used was going further left than the size of the original image.

EDIT: I've found the post, the user was gift0fpr0phecy so kudos to him. Here's the pic he took, you can confirm it by watching the video:

lol. I just want to see anyone create a lighting flash affect that's as convincing as what we seen in the jewloselum video along with the flying satan thingy

common you master CGI experts

reply to post by anumohi


I'm sorry, but why? I find your request a little infantile. Don't you think it is possible to make a convincing effect via a software? You should go and turn on your TV, half of what you'll see is made by a computer and yet it looks real. On the other hand, people usually edit videos for a living so you can't pretend someone will work for you for free. If you want someone to make a video for you, if it's really that important to you, you should pay him.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Prove that ancient ufos haven't been faked?... They are found in ancient paintings all over the world, but of course those who don't want to believe there can be alien aircraft will claim anything from "it's just their imagination" to "it was faked recently" even though we have evidence of people from all over the world having witnessed alien spacecraft for millenia.

We have paintings in several museums all over the world which show what people saw, and what they saw were alien spacecraft.

Ancient Paintings showing ufos

How in the world are these things fakes when they are in musseums and have been around for centuries?...

Just because you MIGHT be able to fake a video now doesn't mean every video must be a fake, more so when there are hundreds of thousands of witnesses including pilots, military personnel and even astronauts. But for whatever reason the non-believers keep claiming "it is all a fake."

I know there are fakes, but it doesn't mean they are all fakes

If you don't believe there is a possibility of alien spacecraft then you have no business in these types of discussions.

As for this video, it could be fake, but again it doesn't mean alien spacecraft do not exist.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by Paradigm2012
In one of them create a flash that lights up the town buildings, roads, and surrounding trees.

You wanna know what else is lit up that you have ignored? The lights. Yes, the lights got brighter with the flash:


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0f129e3d4751.gif[/atsimg]


Now ask yourself how can lights get brighter with a flash of light? Shouldn't the lights get dimmer or drowned out by a flash of light?

The flash was added after the fact. It's called CGI software that adds the effects later. Every pixel was lit up, not just the trees, roads, and buildings. The lights were lit up also. This in and of itself proves that this is a HOAX.

Some people are so close-minded and ignorant, it's not even funny.

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
Hi there, seeing as the onus of proof is on the claimant of the fantastical I also challenege any believer to prove that those videos were NOT made using cgi. That'd make things fair wouldn't it?

Not hardly. A claim that is a video is fake is a positive claim that requires proof. You are asking someone to prove a negative instead. If you're unfamiliar with proving negatives then look it up.

The scientific method is flawed for many reasons, don't start there...

I think this is a failed thread.

1) It could be faked by someone.
2) Are the videos faked.
3) Does this prove that videos are fake if you or i can fake them.

This does not achieve anything at all. Even if you could get an ATS member to recreate the video, what then.

Your just calling out someones bluff for your own satisfaction...

Since this is about supporting Hoax videos then here is another it must be "REAL" lol

www.youtube.com...

Here is a idea for everyone who believes this to be a hoax. Stop replying to these guys and let them talk to each other about how real it is. From here on out do not answer them. Im not going to from now on.

reply to post by Radiobuzz


Thanks for bringing up this mirrored image anomaly in the first video. The previous thread got so big it was lost within its pages. I looked through some daylight photos over Armon Hantziv and found this nice panoramic view. You can clearly see there is no symmetrical buildings and roadways making this mirrored lighting effect.

Armon Hantziv in the daytime

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


The flash could have been in a upward direction only allowing for a particular eleivated view from one of the recordings to allow it to be seen in the video footage, i really dont think people would go to the effort to produce 4 videos to prove it, you hqave your religion we let you worship so why not let us believe in our aliens.n but still, proving this i s fake is harder then not proving it, so make the video.

cant believe this is still going on

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


The only thing you're proving here is your ignorance of history and painting.

www.sprezzatura.it...

And nobody is saying than alien spacecrafts don't exist, we're saying that those Temple Mount videos are faked.

Originally posted by Radiobuzz
reply to post by Raelsatu

 

There is actually a more solid and simple proof about it being a hoax. I don't remember the user who pointed it out unfortunately so I can't give him credit but if you watch the first, original video in full screen, at around 0:58 (right after the flash) you'll see that the left part of the screen is mirrored. I mean, the "city" just repeat itself but mirrored. This means that the software they've used to fake this has mirrored the image they used as a background because the shake effect they've used was going further left than the size of the original image.

EDIT: I've found the post, the user was gift0fpr0phecy so kudos to him. Here's the pic he took, you can confirm it by watching the video:

edit on 6-2-2011 by Radiobuzz because: Giving credit where it's due

Oh my, this is hilarious! Had to create an account just to comment on this (been a silent reader for months though). It's so simple, yet a perfect proof that no one can dismiss! Let's see what happens with this thread now.. It couldn't go on, right? Will the thread just die down?

reply to post by simples


i could have never said it better.

why do people who don't believe come here?

why waist their time?

they should go listen to the media, they speak "truth".lol

reply to post by Jiffius


No because people are ignorant. Woops wasnt going to post again. I guess my word is as fake as this ufo.

Originally posted by lostinspace
reply to post by Radiobuzz

 

Thanks for bringing up this mirrored image anomaly in the first video. The previous thread got so big it was lost within its pages. I looked through some daylight photos over Armon Hantziv and found this nice panoramic view. You can clearly see there is no symmetrical buildings and roadways making this mirrored lighting effect.

Armon Hantziv in the daytime

Thanks for posting that. This thing has been debunked to death. I don't know why Im bothering bumping this failed thread.

The blind believers say "debunk it" then it gets debunked then they ask for more ?

All the information has been posted debunking this scam in the original thread. At this point it is just trolling effortlessly.

It is just absurd and unnecessary. This thread will end up being moved to the hoax section where it belongs.

Israel UFO is a stinking corpse, Just leaving it here to die in shame

What more proof of Hoax do you need? www.abovetopsecret.com...

BUT IT'S REAL... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Originally posted by HAMMERAX
reply to post by simples

 

i could have never said it better.

why do people who don't believe come here?

why waist their time?

they should go listen to the media, they speak "truth".lol

edit on 6-2-2011 by HAMMERAX because: (no reason given)

So if you post a video or thread on here it is only for believers and no one else!? Is that really what you want? To live in a make believe world where you only hear what you want to and nobody questions your beliefs no matter how insane or off the wall they are!? That way lies madness. Everything is up for question especially subjects like UFOs or ghosts...
I've commented on this post and I dont consider it a waste, not waist, of time... If I believed in a falehood I would expect, and ultimately thank, the person who showed me the error of my ways. You should open your mind and except you may be wrong...