Michael Jackson faked death documentary on TV

I'd like to keep an open mind about this, because that's what this board is all about. He certainly has the motive and the money to do something like this. However, there is something that really keeps be on the non-believer on this one: like all celebrities, they crave attention.

reply to post by Azp420


I get it...I get it....Just have a hard time slamming those who aren't here to defend themselves....

Wow. so much hate here.

reply to post by woogleuk



Did you read what i wrote, Did i said I've been doing research for the past 9 months.

Rich pedophiles or those who were on Jackson's level don't get caught or exposed, whether he did it or not, the fact that is was twice a media frenzy and diversion should tell you that there was more to the story. I'm a fan, but I think he is dead.

Originally posted by woogleuk
Sam, I've just noticed that exactly 1 month prior to starting this thread you started one claiming MJ was murdered by the illuminati ( www.abovetopsecret.com... ).

So which one is it, death by illuminati or still alive, or do you believe he was killed by the illuminati, resurrected and is now alive and well? (Just curious)

Nice find my friend!

It just illustrates what a mixed up and perhaps a liitle over imaginative mind Sam has on this issue.

Perhaps Sam thinks that the illuminati attempted to kill Jackson, but Jackson out smarted the Illminati and faked his own death.
So even the Illuminati don't know that Jackson is alive and well, and spends his days as an Elvis impersonator at the Holiday Inn Honolulu

The simple thought of MJ seems to be a very powerful psychological trigger for most people (at least in the west), they generally seem to have an intense and uncontrollable hatred swell inside of them as soon as the name is mentioned causing irrational outbursts, with no interest in engaging in a serious conversation. This is some very deep rooted social conditioning, some of the deepest that I'm aware of, as it even effects people who have been actively deprogramming themselves for years and even decades, those who are painfully aware of how much the mainstream media lies to us constantly about virtually everything and everyone, but somehow their brains have allowed this one stray media hyped belief through. If it wasn't for how scripted peoples reactions seem, I wouldn't even have brought this up, but the reactions mirror each other so perfectly that it would just be way too much of a stretch to think that its coincidence. Our programming runs deeper that most realize, breaking through the conditioning takes a lifetime, we are all still brainwashed in our own ways, and unless we're willing to look directly and analytically at how we've been manipulated, we'll never figure it out, and we'll just sit on our computers debating the media hyped nonsense designed to keep us occupied (and it's working!).

I'm curious about the age range of people who haven't bought the MJ story that was pumped through their TV sets.

I'm 27 and i think he is innocent.

I don't know where i stand on him being dead or alive.

reply to post by Greensage


Partly, I agree, Michael was pure in spirit, I can see it in his eyes. He was used and abused by monsters who snuffed him out. He died a martyr, he will return with the lord and cast those Luciferian money (venom) worshipers into the flame. When you see him wearing white, do not be surprised, I like to believe Jimi and JFK will be with them. Hopefully, he will teach us ALL those sweet moves. Seriously, even if he is alive, he's got good reason to fake his death. Go get his album DANGEROUS, it's what he would've wanted.

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HAHA, SOME OF THOSE CELEBRITIES BELIEVE THEY ARE. Of course, they AREN'T and they'll know it.

The most interesting thing I have about it is how the body going into the helicopter was pretty good sized with straps on it and when they were taking the body out of the helicopter and into the van it was smaller and the straps were removed.

Also when they're removing the body (the one without the straps) it does appear there is another body in the helicopter that has straps (though it could be the board with straps they keep onboard the helicopter, though I don't see the reason for one when you're for sure transporting someone).

Not saying he's alive but it does raise some questions.

Originally posted by anicetus

Governments control their media, and the media controls your point of views on things. Obviously... or none of you would be so ignorant and well conditioned.

I am not trying to defend Michael, I'm just pointing out the ignorance I am seeing, and giving my personal thoughts of the guy.

If you all have such an open mind, do your research, and actually open your eyes to see the truth.

"They don't really care about us"

WORD!
I mean that's what made me so g damn surprised!
what you wrote there was BASIC KNOWLEDGE for an open minded person.
So I thought more people on ATS would see through these lies and trashing of MJ.

I am very dissapointed and surprised really..

Do your research and most of all DISSCONNECT FROM THE SYSTEM!
Start making your own beliefs based on what you feel and what you find from reliable sources!

Now.. We all know media and the corporate elite and governments ain't at all 'officially' really the best most reliable sources...

As they say every day.... WAKE UP!

Originally posted by ericds
The most interesting thing I have about it is how the body going into the helicopter was pretty good sized with straps on it and when they were taking the body out of the helicopter and into the van it was smaller and the straps were removed.

Also when they're removing the body (the one without the straps) it does appear there is another body in the helicopter that has straps (though it could be the board with straps they keep onboard the helicopter, though I don't see the reason for one when you're for sure transporting someone).

Not saying he's alive but it does raise some questions.

With all the money, fame and privacy Michael had and created, I find it a bit odd to be riding shot-gun with another corpse.
Now, not that I have experience with 'hospital corpse to coroner' protocol, but it just strikes me strange that MJ wouldn't have had his own helicopter or at least, a private one, take his body to get dissected.

I still think he's alive.

I was never a fan of his (just don't like that kind of music) but as a human being? I felt his kindness deeply. He was a good man with a great soul.
Plus, I am fairly good judge of character whether in person, on screen or in forums like this.....I don't believe he molested any children.
I just don't think he was sexually charged up to begin with. So there would be no psychological reason that I can come up with, of what he would've possibly gained by that action.

I think the parents of these alleged 'victims' saw an opportunity to take MJ kindness and turn it into a lawsuit with a hefty monetary award.
And I think that (those lawsuits) was the beginning of the end for MJ because of his sensitive nature and now tattered pride.

reply to post by Anthony1138


Not at all...
I was just expressing my anger over stupidity and lack of research by ATS members who I believed could do more in a forum than to discuss how much they hate a person,based on stuff the corporate media system has told them and manipulated them into believing..

I don't love Michael at all.. Though you could say Michael did love every single being on this planet...
And that is exacly what I believe you all should learn from Michael!
Too love more and stop hating on everything and judging everything before you see it for what it really is!

If you cannot do your own research, or bringing us good evidence before hating and stating such severe accusations, Then I believe you have nothing to contribute to ATS nor the thread, and you might aswell delete your account without further notice..

I was like you guys before I started living up to the line which follows:
"Do your research, then you can judge, comment, hate or say whatever you wish"
And I was surprised when I learnt how much the opposite of what people made him look like, Michael really was..

You all should do yourself a favor and stop believing in official explainations and 'pre-judgemental views'..
Even the average dumbed down fella could come up with an accusation like the one that 'MJ would be a peadophile'.. if you add 1+1 thats 2 right?
and if you add michael jackson's stolen childhood + his unusual habits to play alot with children + his love to play at all, or his love for fantasy/Disney/magic and all sorts of; in 'Ordinary people's eyes', so called 'Childish things too do'..

NOW, If you add all these too his strange looks (which was basicly the result of his father bullying him for his nose) Then you have a what?
= a PEADOPHILE! ?..
or atleast = a 'STRANGE' person you just haaaave too hate cus they look really freaky, ain't that so?...

=)

So Shallow that it makes me smile when thinking about the fact that so many here on ATS actually believes in this??....
I can see now how much of a good 'product' or propaganda this would be for Michael's enemies

keep in mind that: ...."THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT US!"..

HITLER EVEN KNOWS HE DIED

Couldn't the "moving helicopter body" be explained as another guy next to the body, but out of sight of the camera, simply shifted MJs position? Maybe pulled the body up a bit in preparation to get off the heli? Maybe not and maybe MJ really is alive. Who knows. Just a thought though.

What I find odd is that you cannot be famous and loved by people and die, there's always a load of theories about how they faked their death.

Bruce Lee, Elvis, MJ...Are they all still alive and poking fun at us?

Nope, they are dead....

Also, I find it rather saddening that hero worship can get in the way of the truth or perception of it. Whatever way you look at this MJ DID sleep with kids, he DID use slang for semen with them, its part of his testimony, he DID pay of Jordy using a really daft excuse.

Just because he loved kids does not mean he didn't like them a little too much, just use Pee wee Herman as an example.

Just because MJ says something does not make it 100% honest, MJ was a very strange man, he had very odd behaviour, often very child like but that does not make him an angel nor does it make him beyond doing adult wrongs.

The simple fact is that we do not know the whole story but whatever way you look at it a man from the age of 30+ started to bring young mostly male children to his house, having them sleep in his own bed and lavishing gifts on them while giving some of them wine and talking about semen certainly ISN'T normal.

If innocent he should never have left himself wide open to this sort of attack...

And please, the people saying he was innocent have no idea if this is true, no more than I know he's guilty, WE simply never knew the man, what you see as a persona on TV can dramatically change behind closed doors. Its the old issue of where we see an actor being really hilarious on screen but if you bump into him on the street he's a rude grumpy guy. The simple fact is that some people are just good actors, they follow a script brilliantly but off screen they are dead pan and extremely serious.

A proof of this is Rowan Atkinson aka Mr Bean aka Blackadder...Will split your sides on screen but off or during interviews he's as much fun as a hernia...

I forgot to add my stance on things with this post and why I think the way I do..

I watched this video on yt and made me think..




This made me really consider something might have happened to him than what we are led to believe. As i said before I dont want to get into it because like 9/11 it has taken me 10 yrs to figure out a little but and if i get into this MJ gig I will be going through more than I want to so I am trying to stay away from it.

Originally posted by Baguette
Couldn't the "moving helicopter body" be explained as another guy next to the body, but out of sight of the camera, simply shifted MJs position? Maybe pulled the body up a bit in preparation to get off the heli? Maybe not and maybe MJ really is alive. Who knows. Just a thought though.

That helicopter video is silly, with the uploader repeatedly claiming that "you can clearly see "..an elbow, hand and arm move........but actually you don't see anything "clearly" move except the white sheet which isnt surprising really since the helicopter had it's doors wide open.

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