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posted on 13-7-2004 at 05:54 PM Post Number: 662473 quote by: Datura TB
from what i understand, you can get away with pretty much anything as long as you "accept" Jesus as your savoir. I'm sure they dont say it like that with the intent that people will go on a killing spree and then repent and be welcomed with open arms in to heaven. But i think that there are a lot of grey areas and un answered questions in organised religon and when questions like this are asked people are always scrambling to come up with a relative answer using some bit of scripture.
Originally posted by shidge.
Well the stipulations are this:
The person has accepted Jesus beforehand.
The person asks for forgiveness for all their previous sins shortly before killing themselves.
I am thiiiis close to calling a local church/going in or something and asking lol
Originally posted by dbrandt
Leading a good life has nothing to do with going to heaven. Accepting the completed work of Christ on the cross is the basis for salvation alone. Christians do good works after they are saved. The works aren't done to be saved, but because we are saved. Now unsaved people do good works too, but they don't get you to heaven. Remember a saved person was once unsaved also, so my good works before my salvation were like dirty rags in the eyes of God. Meaning good works aren't the way to salvation.
If an unsaved person committs suicide, they are seperated from God in hell.(some people see a difference between hell and hades. Hades is a temporary place where the unsaved are now, and hell is the final place after the White Throne Judgement.) It's that simple.
I don't know if it's possible for a true christian to committ suicide since Christ is greater than satan and suicide would come from satan.
This is the Biblical truth.
Originally posted by dbrandt
I would like to ask you a question. This isn't about you I just need someone to ask. If I wanted someone to explain long division to me so I could understand it, I would ask a teacher. Now I would want the teacher to tell me the right way and not lie to me. So that I would be doing it right and not wrong. I would want that teacher to tell me the truth.
I have given answers to questions before on ats. My answers are from the Bible. People will get so mad at me and say something to the affect of, "how can you say that, you don't know the truth. We are all searching for the truth."
Is it because they assume this is my truth. Cause it's not it's God's truth. What seems so odd to me is they say we are all searching for truth.(so that means there is such a thing). But yet when someone finds it they are mad at them. This truth from the Bible isn't something I'm hoarding all to myself. Anybody, anywhere can have what I have with God. It's like their pride is hurt because someone is trying to tell them about it. A teacher taught me how to do long division the right way but I didn't get mad at her. I'm thankful she wanted to teach me. Don't know if my question made sense, but I will talk to you later. Bye
Originally posted by dbrandt
I'm not quite sure where you are coming from yet. The basics of the christian faith is man is seperated from God by his sin. Jesus Christ came into the world and paid the punishment for that sin. Now men and women individually must accept Christ as their personal savior for their sin to be forgiven. When someone's sin is taken away they are restored to a relationship with God.
Christ and what he has done is the foundation, a christian is building upon that foundation.
Could you tell me what basics you are referring to? I would like to discuss it more.