Muslims want children excused from music, mixed phys-ed classes

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


Because everyone else would have the request refused unless it was on medical grounds, at which point the authorities would probably be suggesting that your child may be better catered for in a specialist establishment where they could aspire to their true potential rather than missing out on a huge part of the curriculum.

I just don't understand why someone would want to move to a country with their children when they were opposed to the core subjects within the curriculum. Why don't they just home school them if they are so opposed to what is being taught? But no, they want their children in the education system and then be able to decide what bits of it their children will participate in.

And I agree with the others, why should we be deemed as racists and bigots because we are saying, No, you want your child to have a free state education, then you abide by the rules that the rest of us have to abide by?

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

 

I just don't understand why someone would want to move to a country with their children when they were opposed to the core subjects within the curriculum. Why don't they just home school them if they are so opposed to what is being taught? But no, they want their children in the education system and then be able to decide what bits of it their children will participate in.

The reason is very simple and in front of your eyes, Islamic followers are migrating to other nations to establish their rules and way of life, they are not by any means wanting to assimilate but to conquer with their own set of laws and rules.

Islam is first a law and the ideology from where their religion is base, it can not change because they can never leave their Islamic laws.

Holmes is right.

Most of you people are just bigots looking for an excuse to bash Muslims.

And the ignoramus who said that Muslims throw acid in children’s faces is a certain ignorant bigot.

Jehovah Witnesses don’t salute the flag because of their religion and Christian evangelicals don’t like secular music therefore most likely some of them might object to their children going to secular musical classes; are they dirty dogs as well.

As for these people being immigrants to Canada, therefore are they to just give up their beliefs in a so-called free country. As well many of them pay taxes and contribute to Canada society therefore they have a right to seek accommodations somewhat, since many of them are likely engineers and highly skilled people.

When they open their own Sharia private schools because you have forced them out of the public schools with your ignorant bigotry then you people will be yelling like hyenas:

THEY ARE TAKING OVER CANADA! THE SHARIA IS TAKING OVER CANADIAN LAW!

Grow up and wake up

reply to post by inforeal


It's pretty simple, I can't turn up at work and object to doing a certain task because of my personal beliefs. Well I could, but generally speaking I'd lose my job...

If you move to a different country, then you have to respect how that country works and follow suit, if you don't like it then tough, stay where you are.

Pretty easy concept to understand.

I, and many others were abused terribly on another thread about the huge increase in muslim population in the UK and the fact that a high percentage of them also claim welfare benefits, which is bankrupting our country, with the mantra that we are all Daily Mail reading, racists and bigots. I think this article shows that it is not limited to the UK and the issues are not based on racism and bigotry but on a very real problem and that political correctness is in fact creating a barrier to true equality. No one dare speak out and if you do you are branded a racist and a bigot. In the UK it is fine to demean the indigenous population who breed on the welfare state, mention the "Muslim" word and you are immediately castigated for your opinion.

Notably no other culture, race, religious creed are ever brought into these debates, not because there is bias against muslims, but because all other groups tend to integrate far more, and are not looking to be exempt from certain aspects of western life, whilst taking full advantage of others! And I think we will continue to hear these reports and that they will become more numerous as time goes on and debate will be stifled as everyone fears speaking their mind to prevent being branded as a a racist and bigot.

reply to post by destination now


Excellent post and a star from me.

Originally posted by inforeal

As for these people being immigrants to Canada, therefore are they to just give up their beliefs in a so-called free country. As well many of them pay taxes and contribute to Canada society therefore they have a right to seek accommodations somewhat, since many of them are likely engineers and highly skilled people.

If they cannot live in Canada due to their religion then there are plenty of Muslim countries where they can take their highly valuable skills.

No. They don't have rights to accomodations that citizens don't get.

reply to post by inforeal

Most of you people are just bigots looking for an excuse to bash Muslims.

Speak for yourself....

So why don't we do the same with Sikhs? They are exempt from wearing crash helmets or safety helmets on construction sites due to religious reasons i.e. if they are wearing a turban. In the case of safety helmets on construction sites where everyone else has to wear them or not be allowed admittance onto the site, sikhs are exempt but have limited liabilty cover if they are injured due to not wearing a helmet, so basically it's up to them...don't wear helmet, brick falls on your head...tough cookies! They accept it, we accept it, no one has a problem!

And back to the school situation, who is supposed to look after these children when all the other kids are in music and pe? Or do you think we should start paying for extra staff to do this, thereby making other cutbacks in the curriculum to meet the needs of a few kids.

reply to post by destination now


I wouldn't waste your breath to be honest destination now, I've had this argument on ATS over and over again.

Unfortunately, it seems there are people out there who don't live in the real world and have nothing better to do than stand up for stereotypical politically correct arguments or "stick up" for those who "need it"

It's pretty funny though really as what these do-gooders accuse us of aka being bigots etc are actually displaying the same characterisitic themselves.

I applaud you for your logical, realistic posts and replies but trust me they will fall on deaf ears...

reply to post by Death_Kron


Actually Muslims by SHARIA law are told to obey the laws of the land of a non-Muslim country that they live in.

That doesn’t prevent them from trying to keep their children away from what they think are immoral cultural settings for their children and permissive sexuality.
If the Canadian school boards tell them to obey or leave then they will have to make a choice.

reply to post by Death_Kron


Thanks..I agree with all of your posts as well. And like you, I find it incredible that those who are accusing us of bigotry tend to display exactly the same type of behaviour towards other groups and yet they cannot see the irony!

Yup, it's Saturday afternoon and I should probably be doing something far more productive than banging my head against a brick wall!

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes




The OP posted "quoting" from a report in his country where in this instance the incoming

people were muslim. The point being made that "people" (please note i made no mention

of race religion or colour) coming into "another " country should not try to impose their views

on an established educational system. They are free to return to where they came from where

their ideologies will be more compatible with their views on education etc. After all when

visiting anothers home we RESPECT their mode of living, and do not try to impose our ways

on to them

reply to post by inforeal


Since when was PE or Music classed as immoral? It was a little bit of basketball, football, rugby, athletics and keyboards, watching grease and singing for me.

Music and sport being immoral, hmmmm... sounds very familiar to the beliefs of a regime thats name begins with a T******

What we must understand is that Muslims AND ALL RELIGIOUS people have always had conflicts with modern secular society.

Many people from Muslim lands aren’t real religious, you won't likely hear complaints from them, but some may still be religious.

Recall the problems with Christian Scientist who let their children die rather than take medicine.

Or the Jehovah Witnesses not saluting the flag.

Or Quakers not going into the army

Or the Kosher laws of the Jews

All these issues regarding ultra religious folks have always been a problem in modern secular western society

Muslims I believe shouldnt be singled out becasue there are a few lunatics from their ranks, as there are lunatics in all ranks of people.

And, as is usual, we haven't had a response to the valid question of "who is supposed to look after these kids when the others are in music or sport classes"? The education system in all countries is under increasing financial pressure just to provide the basics for kids, where will these extra resources come from?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Don't be absurd.

I find it highly objectionable that people will flippantly throw around the phrase ''child abuse'' for something that is not remotely near it.

Child abuse is the sexual, physical or psychological abuse of a child. Not wishing your child to attend mandatory music and PE classes is nowhere near any kind of abuse whatsoever.

Denying your children mandatory basic education (extent of which is defined in the national curriculum) IS illegal psychological child abuse. These parents tried to deny their children the right to receive mandatory basic education as outlined in the law, therefore they attempted to abuse them. I am not saying they are abusing them now - that would be true only if they somehow succeeded with the request. I said they attempted to abuse them.

reply to post by inforeal


The difference is that no one else is expected to make compromises or pay for their decisions, see my above example of exemptions for Sikhs...

reply to post by destination now


I’ll answer that.

If a Muslim insists that any aspect of civil government go to extraordinary accommodations for them, something they wouldn’t do with others, then they are being unjust and actually going against the laws of their own religion; therefore should be rebuffed.

Though they have the right to seek reasonable accommodations for their beliefs that don’t go to far.

Any civilized society should try to reasonably accommodate people’s beliefs to a degree, that doesn’t infringe on the laws of that country or the rights of others.

If that can't be done then they can form their own private schools

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by inforeal

 

Since when was PE or Music classed as immoral? It was a little bit of basketball, football, rugby, athletics and keyboards, watching grease and singing for me.

Music and sport being immoral, hmmmm... sounds very familiar to the beliefs of a regime thats name begins with a T******

I am curious why music and gym are immoral also.

reply to post by inforeal


I think even the private schools and homeschoolers have to abide to mandatory subjects outlined in national curriculums and school boards, so founding a private school luckily wont help them abuse their children. Or is it not the case in Canada?