The Father Of Weaponized Weather

I'm sure there are plenty of old timers here who know the name Ben Livingston. But since Mr. Jones is going to be debuting a documentary based on this man, I thought a little review might be in order for those who aren't familiar with him.

Veteran weather modification expert Ben Livingston is a former Navy Physicist who briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control back in the 1960′s during the Vietnam era, when he was involved in cloud seeding programs that worked to slow down the advance of Vietnamese and Korean troops. Livingston asserts that asserts that hurricane control was a national priority of the government more than 40 years ago and that the technology was fully operational to control the weather at the time.

"Slow down the advance of Vietnamese and Korean troops", in this instance meant to prolong the monsoon seasons as long as possible. The few vets I have spoken with who were there at the time, were not aquainted with weather modification. But they both told me they had never seen so much rain in their life, and weren't surprised our government had something to do with it.

Dr Livingston was assigned in 1966 from the Naval weapons research Laboratory to a marine fighter squadron in Vietnam. Instead of guns, the aircraft under Livingston’s control were fitted with cloud seeding equipment. “My mission was to find clouds and seed them for maximum precipitation value” he stated.

Video and Article...

Although I'm not an Alex fan, I still have to give credit where it's due. If it weren't for Alex's show, I might not have heard of this man years ago, and I probably would not have done the reading on weather manipulation I have. And I certainly wouldn't have discovered the UN weather warfare treaty. So government shill or not Alex, I appreciate the heads up.

Rather than me writing a book in a thread, I'll let you listen to the man himself, and make up your own mind. As a side note, I would like to add, that anyone who has ever seen the first released original Woodstock concert on VHS or DVD, might remember that near the beginning if memory serves, there is an attendee of the concert who accuses the government of making it rain on the concert. Just a tidbit I thought I'd mention.
ETA: If anyone has a copy of that clip. Please share it.







You can watch the documentary sneak peak at the link above.

Almost forgot about this. If Mr. Livingston is right in his assertions. Then Bill Gates is patenting a 45 year old technology. Which I suppose he could do if there was no pre-existing patents, or his idea is unique enough. Bill has his fingers in a lot of things these days it seems.

Bill Gates sets his sights on controlling the weather

The Environmental Modification Convention (ENMOD), formally the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques is an international treaty prohibiting the military or other hostile use of environmental modification techniques. It opened for signature on 18 May 1977 in Geneva and entered into force on October 5, 1978. The Convention bans weather warfare, which is the use of weather modification techniques for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. Convention on Biological Diversity of 2010 would also ban some forms of weather modification or geoengineering

Environmental Modification Convention

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I smell a rat, from this guy....in the article, this bit:

Dr Livingston presents evidence from the Stanford research Institute, who were brought into Project Storm Fury (a weather control program) in the late sixties as a third party, which stated conclusively that knowledge of how to stop hurricanes had been uncovered and that they would be directly liable should a hurricane hit and cause extensive damage and loss of life. Four decades later and Livingston exposes how the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina could have been greatly minimized but was allowed to fully impact Gulf states for political reasons.

Do you see a contradiction here? (And, I don't just mean Katrina). The latest cyclone Yasi, in Australia.

AND< all the other hurricanes and cyclones for the last 45 years!!!

IF this "technology" and knowledge to "stop" hurricanes really existed, then we would not have seen them for the last four+ decades!!!


Sorry, but each and every time "prison planet" is involved, I smell it....

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Not a problem sir. If there are no dissenting opinions, the world becomes a very lopsided place. I personally think there are many things TPTB could have improved or stopped from happening over the past 50 years. But they chose not to. There's no money in making the world a great place to live for anyone but themselves. IMHO, anyway.

Thanks for adding your thoughts WW.

Operation Popeye China Lake Calif.

The north Vietnamese did not like being washed off the Ho Chi Min trail by the weather modifications from Operation Popeye.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.thelivingmoon.com...

Ben Livingston worked on Operation Popeye at China Lake.

This by the way was a US Navy project not a US Air-Force project as has been reported by some

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Thanks for the links. I need to do more reading on thelivingmoon. I didn't even know this was on there.

Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) during the Vietnam war to extend the monsoon season over Laos, specifically areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide, resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively successful.[1] The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried out the operation to "make mud, not war."

Well, I hate to bump my own thread again. But that's what I get for posting it on a friday night at 7:30pm I guess.

This was an interesting comment from one of the links off Wiki.

"Primarily the work is aimed at giving the US Navy and the other armed forces, if they should care to use it, the capability of modifying the environment, to their own advantage, or to the disadvantage of an enemy. We regard the weather as a weapon. Anything one can use his way is a weapon and the weather is as good a one as any." (Quoted in: US Senate, Subcommittee on Oceans and International Environment; 26 July 1972; p. 22, emphasis added).

I don't doubt that those involved in Project Fury thought thought they might be able to control hurricanes, just as many others have since. And concerns that if they could, it might cause problems if they inadvertently moved a hurricane so it hit somewhere else, are plausible. But I do very much doubt they actually could.

Likewise I don't doubt many involved in weather modification (cloud seeding) think it is effective - especially when selling their techniques to governments. But I doubt it actually is.

But if you pay me $10,000,0000 I will ensure no hurricane hits New Orleans next year

Edit: there are also serious doubts as to whether the US actually did increase rainfall in Vietnam - after all, there was no control to compare the results with. Not that I'd expect the miitary to admit that!

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So then you believe weather modification is more hype than real science, if I'm understanding you correctly.

I would be interested in your thoughts then on those countries such as China, Russia, America, and others who have invested heavily in this area of science. Also, what do you think of the 1978 Environmental Modification Convention and treaty?

Originally posted by Klassified
Almost forgot about this. If Mr. Livingston is right in his assertions. Then Bill Gates is patenting a 45 year old technology. Which I suppose he could do if there was no pre-existing patents, or his idea is unique enough. Bill has his fingers in a lot of things these days it seems.

Bill Gates sets his sights on controlling the weather

edit on 4-2-2011 by Klassified because: (no reason given)

Legally, you can't patent something that is already in the public domain. Even if you have just told a few people about your idea prior to applying for a patent, that would be grounds to challenge the intellectual property rights unless you had confidentiality agreements in place. The problem with the whole system is that e easy to obtain and it is up to the market to challenge patents and protect their own intellectual property rights which will inevitably cost more money in legal fees than most people could ever afford.

In relation to Weather Modification, there are some very strange things going on with regards to intellectual property rights. For example, between 1996-98 the US company Weather Modification Inc provided cloud seeding operations in Thailand for the Thai Government. In 1999, the King of Thailand filed for and was granted 52 patents relating to cloud seeding based on the exact method and technology shown to him by the US company. They have never been challenged, why? The answer is because the government wanted it that way.

We are told that man made climate change/global warming is the biggest challenge facing mankind yet private corporations all over the world are allowed to profit from an unregulated industry which involves direct 'weather modification'.

Cloud seeding involves, among other things, dumping huge amounts of pure carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, the very substance that we are told is the main cause of global warming. The Thai king's method doesn't just seed clouds, it can actually completely cloud up a blue sky by using multiple planes dumping chemicals at various altitudes. I am yet to see a negative news story on this industry, it is promoted as necessary because of 'climate change'. In the US, States are forced into programs on the grounds that if they don't have a cloud seeding program then they will not have access to water reserves should they be required.

The truth is that the only reason this industry was created and is allowed to exist is because it provides the cover needed to continue developing various other technologies relating to weapons and warfare. The defence department does not hide the fact that this is a strategy often used when they are developing technology which would be against the wishes of the public. They create an industry which will disguise what they are doing whilst at the same time lessen the burden of costs on the R&D. Geo-science now represents the biggest portion of the US budget. Weapons, Cloaking, X-ray are just a few of the technologies being developed that rely on the introduction of various atmospheric particles.

Due to public pressure and the mounting evidence of the cumulative damage that the geo-science brigade have been inflicting on our planet the UN finally caved and in November 2010 put a ban on Geo-Engineering projects and experiments. But they worded it in a way that did nothing to stop weather modification.

I believe that the real father of weaponised weather was Wilhelm Reich. Those who know him will know that the Government destroyed him and tried to destroy all his work back in the 50's. Funny how a new company has just emerged which I believe is based on his work. The company is called Ionogenics and the company president is Phillip Kauffman, who wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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Well said. And well written. You make some references I wasn't aware of. I'll be looking into them now though. Thanks for a thoughtful and comprehensive post.

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by Essan

 

So then you believe weather modification is more hype than real science, if I'm understanding you correctly.

I would be interested in your thoughts then on those countries such as China, Russia, America, and others who have invested heavily in this area of science. Also, what do you think of the 1978 Environmental Modification Convention and treaty?

Yes, I disagree with those people selling the technology and side with independent science.

See, for example:

Can we really control the weather

'Cloud seeding' not effective at producing rain as once thought

Of course, this won't stop some governments and commerical contractors claiming that they can modifiy the weather. After all, there's a lot of public reputation ad money involved.

reply to post by Essan

Thanks for the reply, and the links. I will be reading them. This definitely gives me another angle to do some research from. I like looking at the different sides of an issue. Sometimes, it opens up whole new facets to a topic.

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Prison Planet has a better stench than some wacky people on here.

So, one can only assume the lack of hurricanes via the Gulf of Mexico this past summer (that could have spread the oil/dispersant inland) was not serendipitous rather, was probably the result of weather manipulation. Not a hard thing to consider.

This would, by default mean that Katrina was deliberately left untouched even though it posed a profound threat to property, specifically in New Orleans.

Nothing is natural anymore. Whether deliberate or just by association with man, even the most natural things "like a tree in the forest' has been profoundly effected by man.

So it would behoove most if you looked at things a little differently from now on. Particularity but not limited to clouds!!!

I would suspect that bloke was not the first to come up with these ideas, lol.

Originally posted by andy1033
I would suspect that bloke was not the first to come up with these ideas, lol.

This 'idea' was probably around with Tesla only Tesla seem to harbor a humanitarian-like conscious

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Yep i just said that as the gov must of had these ideas for along time. Not saying the geezer is not smart, but to call him the father of this stuff is blowing his pipe too much i feel.