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Originally posted by Phractal Phil
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Electrons and quarks don't have a diameter.
We can't measure their diameter, but we can establish upper limits. Here are some estimates. We also have a formula to calculate the Lorentz radius. For the electron, it is 2.8179402894 x 10^-15m. Hans Dehmelt, in a Physica Scripta article, claims to have established an upper bound less than 10^-20 m.
What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and variations in the structure of space. Particles are just schaumkommen (appearances). ... The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. Subject and object are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as a result of recent experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist. ... Let me say at the outset, that in this discourse, I am opposing not a few special statements of quantum physics held today (1950s), I am opposing as it were the whole of it, I am opposing its basic views that have been shaped 25 years ago, when Max Born put forward his probability interpretation, which was accepted by almost everybody. I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it. (Erwin Schrödinger, The Interpretation of Quantum Physics.)
Originally posted by beebs
I love the true physicists.
Originally posted by beebs
reply to post by buddhasystem
Your point is bitter and moot. You can't stand it that our model is backed up by the best physicists.
I've met some of these, they don't back up that cr@p.
The development during the present century is characterized by two theoretical systems essentially independent of each other: the theory of relativity and the quantum theory. The two systems do not directly contradict each other; but they seem little adapted to fusion into one unified theory.
Experiments on interference made with particle rays have given brilliant proof that the wave character of the phenomena of motion as assumed by the theory do, really, correspond to the facts.
de Broglie conceived an electron revolving about the atomic nucleus as being connected with a hypothetical wave train, and made intelligible to some extent the discrete character of Bohr's 'permitted' paths by the stationary (standing) character of the corresponding waves. (Albert Einstein, 1940)
I personally like to regard a probability wave as a real thing, certainly as more than a tool for mathematical calculations. ... how could we rely on probability predictions if we do not refer to something real and objective? (Max Born on Quantum Theory)
On the basis of quantum theory there was obtained a surprisingly good representation of an immense variety of facts which otherwise appeared entirely incomprehensible. But on one point, curiously enough, there was failure: it proved impossible to associate with these Schrodinger waves definite motions of the mass points - and that, after all, had been the original purpose of the whole construction. The difficulty appeared insurmountable until it was overcome by Born in a way as simple as it was unexpected. The de Broglie-Schrodinger wave fields were not to be interpreted as a mathematical description of how an event actually takes place in time and space, though, of course, they have reference to such an event. Rather they are a mathematical description of what we can actually know about the system. They serve only to make statistical statements and predictions of the results of all measurements which we can carry out upon the system. (Albert Einstein, on Quantum Physics, 1940)
Faraday came from no learned academy; his mind was not burdened with traditional ideas and theories. (Max Born, 1924)
Originally posted by beebs
reply to post by buddhasystem
I've met some of these, they don't back up that cr@p.
Which ones, and what specifically don't they back up?
Originally posted by beebs
reply to post by buddhasystem
Pretty neat, looks like they were good people.
What would their criticism's be of the wave structure of matter as an extension of space?
I don't know. What I know is that in physics there is no tolerance for fantasies that have to relation to scientific method. "No experimental evidence" would be hard to ignore, for starters.
Originally posted by Amagnon
All matter in my view is composed of these ripples - we create the concept of charge because some waves will be destructive, some constructive and some subsumed into a more complex harmonic.
Originally posted by chocise
The origins of truth and reality - about how you and everything around you exist in space is presented in a lucid and ground breaking piece of work put forward by Dr Milo Wolff . . .
The search for the structure of the electron was halted at the end of Word War II when a vast government community of high-energy scientists was formed to search the streets of physics for new weapons. The path followed was the use of expensive high-energy accelerators. These were increasingly larger machines modeled after the cyclotron of Ernst O. Lawrence that is now used as an antique display . . . Government funding has made the Berkeley National laboratories larger than the educational campus.
When high-energy weapons did not materialize, the science-community instead promised new energy sources to maintain their financial backing. No sources have been found. The US Congress wisely cancelled funding for the most ambitious ten billion dollar machine in Texas. The latest promise request high-energy funding to find quarks in the cosmos.
Originally posted by Mary Rose
I think what he says on page 26 is important and relevant:
The search for the structure of the electron was halted at the end of Word War II when a vast government community of high-energy scientists was formed to search the streets of physics for new weapons. The path followed was the use of expensive high-energy accelerators. These were increasingly larger machines modeled after the cyclotron of Ernst O. Lawrence that is now used as an antique display . . . Government funding has made the Berkeley National laboratories larger than the educational campus.
When high-energy weapons did not materialize, the science-community instead promised new energy sources to maintain their financial backing. No sources have been found. The US Congress wisely cancelled funding for the most ambitious ten billion dollar machine in Texas. The latest promise request high-energy funding to find quarks in the cosmos.
Originally posted by beebs
Frankly, your internet opinion pales in comparison to Dr. Milo Wolff's real world opinion.
Looking forward to winning...