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Originally posted by brainsandgravy
reply to post by tommyjo
Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, we've been through this before: video compression artifacts.
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Originally posted by truthseekr1111
which has been addressed repeatedly and explained why its wrong and a faulty comparison.
Originally posted by Logical one
Originally posted by benoni
Does this look real....or are you going to argue because I have never seen a Boeing crash into the WTC, I cannot question how it looks like CGI???
Reminds me of those Warner Bros cartoons.....BEEP BEEP!!
A little slow aren't we benoni?
Do you seriously think that a multiply reproduced video, with a video software effect, uploaded onto YouTube is gonna look any different?
Ally this to the fact that you have NEVER actually witnessed any jet aircraft impact ANY building,
Originally posted by Logical one
let alone one impacting the non conventional tube frame designed buildings that were the Twin Towers.....you would be clueless as to what a real impact would look like.
Originally posted by Logical one
So even though I'm sure you've done plenty of YouTube watching for your research, you're most likely non the wiser as to what such an event would actually look like on the ground in non YouTube land.
Seems I was right when I inferred you were being naive benoni.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
Originally posted by pshea38
yes man. it has been proven without doubt at:
septemberclues.info...
if you are genuine, you will go through the vicsims report, and everything else besides, to learn the proven extent of the fakery.
if you are not, you won't.
I'm always amazed at the number of people who buy in to Simon Shack's sophistry. September Clues must be one the most sophomoric, easily debunked works of "film" propaganda ever created. The guy is simply obtuse (and out of his mind). Though I must give him an A for effort.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by pshea38
IF you "became convinced utterly" by that piece of fifth made by "Simon Shack", then I fear for your critical thinking abilities.
Why doesn't the video in THIS POST:
...make any impression on you?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
OR, the one by "Yougene Debs" at YouTube? He ALSO specifically exposes "Simon Shack" as a fraud, liar and con artist. Either "Shack" is those things, or he is just incredibly stupid. Take your pick:
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
Originally posted by JimFetzer
"9/11 Amateur, Part 2" is simply absurd in its claims.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
www.youtube.com...
There's no second explosion--Shack is confused by what he is seeing. What he calls a "second explosion" is nothing more than flames inside the impact hole coming into view as the initial smoke cloud is being blown away by the wind.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
The "penciled-in" gash allegation is total non-sense.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
The Naudet footage was aired long after the media's live coverage--none of which show the impact hole with the extra penciled-in "gash".
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
Yet Shack believes that while all that footage was being aired, some secret conspirators decided it was a good idea to tinker with the Naudet footage in After Effects adding a needed extra gash, even though it would contradict all other images of the impact hole already aired and being replayed over and over.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
The video I posted was from the Jim Huibregtse footage which was filmed just after the first impact (before any news cameras) and clearly shows that the "gash" is black smoke pouring out of a hole on the western edge of the building. The smoke then dissipates and turns white. This footage was used in a National Geographic documentary, "Growing Up at Ground Zero", from 2003, years before Shack's "9/11 Amateur, Part 2" was published.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
If you can't see the relevance of the south tower swaying abruptly to the north upon impact (kind of like "back and to the left"), then I can't help you with the third video I posted.edit on 9-2-2011 by brainsandgravy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Logical one
Originally posted by pshea38
septemberclues.info... and watch the presentation.
you may be able to argue against one or two points but not the vast majority. i advise anyone interested in the truth to go through all materials presented, especially the victim simulations report by hoi polloi, and come to your own informed conclusions from there.
pshea and you other "No Planes" "truthers" should watch this:
September Clues is well and truly debunked!edit on 10-2-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)edit on 10-2-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ivann1217
the "Nose out" was enough evidence for me. let alone all the questions raised after the fact about DEW's. These are facts that should not be ignored or shoved aside just because some feeble minds don't understand such technology.
Originally posted by Logical one
Originally posted by pshea38
thanks for the link logical one. i am afraid it doesn't come anywhere close to debunking septemberclues.
You are joking right pshea?........ or perhaps you are in denial.
Did you not get the significance of "September clues" editing out vital parts of the interview with the woman calling from Chelsea?
Or the significance of "September Clues" cutting off the zoomed out video shot just before the plane came into view.
Why would any serious investigative presentation need to edit out any footage to make its case?
Originally posted by Logical one
I suppose you could argue that's the ONLY way that films like September Clues and Loose change can attempt to deceive people with their nonsense!
Originally posted by Logical one
Originally posted by JimFetzer
A new member of the Scholars forum has posted this. Do any of your know about PVI? Tell me more. Thanks.
PVI stands for Persons Visually Impaired.
You need to be careful Jim, your fantasy may be fast heading into insanity.
From the moment that I saw that wacky image of strange squat, black plane image on TV on 911, I knew it was fake. Reynolds said it was a cartoon, but it was a graphic animation.
It wasn't until someone sent me September Clues in 2007 that I accepted the US govt is indeed evil, a conniving, lying pack of thieves. I had been distrustful since Kennedy was assassinated, but learning Nixon was involved w the moon landing hoax w Kubrick, I have been on a quest to learn what the perps did on 911. 911 was a HUGE PUNK on the US and the world. Of all the people with whom I spoke, I could only find one person in NYC who cared about 911 & agreed with me. Fortunately, that person is a gifted psychic. Although he/she is not very worldly or knowledgable about many things, I did get him/her to look into questions that I had. It was that person who encouraged me to see what more I could find. I am now at the point where I can finally see how vicsims were created for each company involved in the 911 implosions of WTC. All the companies with victims/vicsims were put in the WTC for the planned 911 false flag event. All were business associates or family relations to the Bush/Cheney family.
One thing is for certain, 911 was a resurrection of Operation Northwoods/Mongoose, substituting TV broadcasts for radio broadcasts.
I took a freelance job to learn to operate the PVI virtual media services, LVIS computer in August 2007. PVI short course was to learn to map camera shots of football fields. A week of classes by PVI to learn operation LVIS computers. The purpose of the LVIS computer was to generate 1st down and lines of scrimmage/logo with yard & down for each football play. The camera shots, left, right and center are mapped with virtual wireframes before the game and used during the game to generate yellow and blue yard lines.
Day four of the PVI class, we learned how to generate an animation or a icon on the pre-programmed wireframe path on a particular camera shot. Pick the point, execute the animation. A gush came over me at the moment that I saw that that was how they generated the plane icon on 911. The operator of the LVIS computer did not have to be at the site. It could be done from anywhere the LVIS computer and monitor was located. I can't walk you through the parts of the computer program and monitor without props or diagrams. The point is I have worked in TV graphics for many years, I know how easy it is to composite video, HOW EASY IT IS TO INSERT an ANIMATION in a LIVE BROADCAST. Now, that PVI has sold out to ESPN and Sportsvision, I am sure the perps involved with 911 broadcast have gone into hiding.
PVI Virtual Animation was what was broadcast.
Google PVI Virtual Media Services.
Short rundown:
COMPANY OVERVIEW
PVI Virtual Media Services LLC designs and develops vision-based virtual image entertainment technology for television. The company’s InVU virtual placement technology allows broadcast, cable, and broadband networks to insert computer-generated images into live or pre-recorded video broadcasts of events, sports contests, and other television programming. Its products include GameVU to insert a line of scrimmage, a player's path, or animated or branded images onto the field; PlayerVU, a data-gathering system to capture and record the position, direction, and speed of moving objects in sporting events; and BrandVU for virtual product placement. The company was founded in 1990 and is based in Lawrenceville, New Jersey. PVI Virtual Media Services LLC operates as a subsidiary of ESPN, Inc.
Originally posted by truthseekr1111
please show exactly how and where that so-called debunk, debunked SC... of course i expect to see nothing more than the same rhetorical and empty claims.
Originally posted by mister.old.school
The speed is correct and possible as John Lear originally stated when first presented with the issue in search of his opinion. I doubt it would be the first time in history where a passenger airline operated beyond design parameters. For example the engine nacelles were supposed to have broken off the plane that landed in the Hudson river, but no such thing happened.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
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Jim, you miss the point. This image has been stabilized. Vertical and horizontal camera movement have been taken out. The plane remains unmoved relative to the frame. Place your mouse pointer over the tail of the plane and you will see that the plane does not move. However, because the plane actually IS moving into the building,
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
This allows the edge of the building to act as a marker of frame by frame movement of distance. IT IS SHOWING DECELERATION OF THE PLANE AS IT ENTERS THE BUILDING. The movement of the edge of the building slows down as can be seen by comparing the equidistant markers.
Originally posted by brainsandgravy
You dodge questions like a politician. I asked you to explain the violent swaying of the building to the north upon impact of your "holographic" plane.