The singularity of good.

You ever notice how you want simple good things? You start the day off inspired that it will be a good day, that good things will happen, and then it all comes crashing around you as the day goes on. Well we are generally inspired to cultivate goodness. Then in our typical day we face all kinds of negativity, dealing with traffic, dealing with the public, our jobs, etc. If we aren't strong, it doesn't take much to knock us away from our ideals.

So this is the balancing factor. If we had our way in this world, things would easily become good. The majority of us want good things. How this does not happen is a miracle. It happens because it's all set up to give bad the advantage. See here we have been holding up goodness in a situation and environment that makes it all too easy for bad, or evil to prevail Then the bad wins out, it was a bad day, whatever. Then we go to sleep and wake up the next day hoping it will be a good day.

The point is we wake up wanting good things to happen! It's an incredible source of energy, and if reality was not matched against it to be heavily favored toward evil/bad, then all this would be over in a matter of days.

I begin to think that we have been pushing against a very heavy evil for a very long time, because I'm finding that once good prevails for the first time in spite of all the negativity, it has already won. It starts an exponential growth of itself, because there is so much inspiration behind it building upon itself once it gains a foothold. Though it takes forever for it to gain that foothold. Once good finds a way to push through our flawed and limited body/mind, it's there "for good."

So while it seems like we are losing this whole battle of good vs evil, really we are winning. Though evil has the advantage and the numbers all we have to do is get it all even, then plant a foot in the ground. Evil loses the moment the tide turns, because of the nature of these things.

Just a thought I had today.

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Originally posted by Novise

The point is we wake up wanting good things to happen! It's an incredible source of energy, and if reality was not matched against it to be heavily favored toward evil/bad, then all this would be over in a matter of days.

I begin to think that we have been pushing against a very heavy evil for a very long time, because I'm finding that once good prevails for the first time in spite of all the negativity, it has already won. It starts an exponential growth of itself, because there is so much inspiration behind it building upon itself once it gains a foothold. Though it takes forever for it to gain that foothold. Once good finds a way to push through our flawed and limited body/mind, it's there "for good."


Just a thought I had today.

This closely parallels the Law of Attraction. I'd say it's also an expression of how our "outer" world/perception reflects our "inner" world/perception. because we are not perfect, we all have "bad" experiences that are really a reflection of a "fault" in our own personality. our higher self sets these situations up for us in order to learn along a specifically designed life path.

also, quite appropriate here is the saying that i remember, something like...: the power of good can never be defeated, just as one single candle flame may never be put out by the dark room around it. forever the light may shine in the midst of darkness...no matter how much darkness there is, it will never be able to negate the candle's light.

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I appreciate your thinking.
We create our own evil though and you succumb to others when you let them bog you down. It's not evil because that's not real. Everything that happens is a worthwhile experience in the broader scheme of things. The less judgemental you are, the more that you gain.

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The reason goodness might be hard to find is because it is an ultimate goal. Goodness stems from love so when you have love, goodness is obtained more effortlessly. It is when we realize our true nature that goodness becomes prevalent in our lives because we see that our true nature absolutely has the quality of goodness. And love.

We are all one as intelligent ecstatic energy that has the quality of light of an incomprehensible brilliance that in higher dimensions is co-creating the universe.

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I disagree. We are not pushing a heavy evil. But seeking a "good" we create an "evil."

What Is, Is. It is neither good nor evil. It just Is. It is our struggle against it that creates unhappiness. Calling things and people negative, is negative. Calling yourself positive, is negative. In doing either, you create enmity. You set up opposition, aggression, violence.

The way to dispense with evil is to stop seeking a good. It is through acceptance and lack of struggle that peace is. There is a reason the Buddha warned that desire was the root of all suffering, and why the thought that we could judge good and evil was a sin.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
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I disagree. We are not pushing a heavy evil. But seeking a "good" we create an "evil."

What Is, Is. It is neither good nor evil. It just Is. It is our struggle against it that creates unhappiness. Calling things and people negative, is negative. Calling yourself positive, is negative. In doing either, you create enmity. You set up opposition, aggression, violence.

The way to dispense with evil is to stop seeking a good. It is through acceptance and lack of struggle that peace is. There is a reason the Buddha warned that desire was the root of all suffering, and why the thought that we could judge good and evil was a sin.

generally i might disagree with you, but all is well.

I have a good quote that you might like: " Desire is an illusion that you "want" before you "have", based in Fear and not Love. "

Originally posted by Novise
I begin to think that we have been pushing against a very heavy evil for a very long time, because I'm finding that once good prevails for the first time in spite of all the negativity, it has already won.

Yup. You don't need to hug or embrace evil. Just pull in "love" and evil will be vanquished. The "evil" you speak of are those weaknesses that we each need to work on -- to make us stronger for "love". God! I could cry!

Originally posted by pikypiky
Just pull in "love" and evil will be vanquished.

I like that piky

It is the product of a choice. A true "equalizer" as it were!

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By disagreeing, are you not setting up opposition of your own?

The biggest philosophical problem is not the 'problem of evil'...
...it is the 'problem of good'.

Why is there so much 'good' in the world is the real question that needs to be answered.

Good is good and can be good ONLY for goodness' sake, not because it's not bad.

And love is it's OWN reward, no matter how deep the depths of sorrow.

So there is this thing called good and it prevails, but there is something other than good too - we call it evil.

In fact there is nothing to be called evil, just, only not good.

We all - each and every one, sit here and choose good v evil, creating opposites that our minds can easily digest - complicating things because the truth seems harder.

Not a single judgement we make can stand the test of time. They are just a part of a part of a concept that's part of a model of the universe stripped down into human sized chunks, which we agreed upon - conveyed like a low resonating hum between the masses and inadvertently the cause of evil... Feeling stupid now?

When I am at home, in my element, my mind is calm, and I am at one with myself. And once for a very brief moment, I became my real self, and for a split second, I was my real self and I had the opportunity to realise the extent to which the "self" that I carry around is a manifestation of my mind, or more accuratley, a manifestation of a system, and that my real self has always been there. Imagine that we were given a virtual reality machine, and the machine gave us a virutal reality mind, that is over our real mind. All the signals from the virtual reality become attached to us and form what we call an "ego" and it is this entity that we can falsely perceive as our selves. Only when we get the opportunity to sink behind the veil, do we realise what we are underneath. The problem is, is that many people have turned against thier true selves, all of thier issues and regrets, denials, neuroses, are basically the parts that they have called thier "ego" that are in direct conflict with the genuine parts of thier real selves. I spend much of my time just learning how to deflect the system, being like a computer, it is incredibly synchronistic, and I have to spend much time and imagination trying to break the synchronicity so I can zone back in to my own mind and my own world. Its easy to outwit a computer, because a computer cannot think for itself, it mereley takes what we are thinking and then converts the thoughts and feeds them back to us according to preset subroutines. When you can recognise a thought that is your own, and a thought that is fed back to you though the system, you can intercept the thoughts from the system, or feed the system misinformation, or literally create so many conflicting thoughts that the system simply cannot process or interpret your mind.

Whether we desire good or not, it happens. Stuff still arises no matter what we do. Can we not then talk about how good and evil play off of eachother (as two sides of the same coin), I just think it works differently than assumed. Where it might seem like a war of attrition that is hopeless, what if it doesn't work that way at all, and all good has to do is very little to "succeed." To begin a snowball effect, exponential growth, or a singularity (what if that happened, would it be so bad?). I understand there can be problems with seeking after goodness, but outside of that, can't we discuss how these two actually play off eachother and how it works?

It seems pretty lopsided. Like forgiveness, such little effort, but it defeats so much negativity - it can defeat heaps and heaps of negativity in a single moment. Now this is "Good" news for those of us who think things ARE out of balance. If we can figure out how it all works, maybe we will see that there is an actual balance to it all. I don't think anyone could say it's balanced if you look at things like a typical scoreboard, so maybe the game is different entirely.

edit (I want to do more replies but I have to go, I like a lot of the posts and I'll be on later, thanks guys)

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All speech is dualistic. All of it. So anything we say creates division. Words exist to divide and name reality into portions. Even when you wax poetic about loooooooovvvveeeeeee, you are dividing, and creating opposition.

I accept that things appear to be dualistic, but more in keeping with the East, my own philosophy is non-dual. Duality is apparent, its how things appear, but it is not objective reality, not the totality of it. Nothing is not-Self, and so any fight is Self fighting Self. Which is fine, but a little crazy.

The idea of an epic battle between good and evil, light and dark seems to originate with Zoroaster, and continue on in the middle eastern Abrahamic traditions. (And now that concept is being merged into Eastern philosophy by the new age crowd who internalized it by and large from Christianity)

Originally posted by Novise
Whether we desire good or not, it happens. Stuff still arises no matter what we do. Can we not then talk about how good and evil play off of eachother (as two sides of the same coin),

The idea of them being two sides of one coin is in line with what I am saying. There is no battle because there are one thing, and only point of view makes it look as if they are two. One coin, two apparent sides. A battle is silly. It is self fighting self. If you can accept them as one, and not chase one or the other, not hate one or the other, just accept it as what is, then there is no fight. Even though you still may be subject to the illusion of duality.

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Im guessing you know, but if you were not aware, you come across through text as quite arrogant.

If i am going to create inevitable division and opposition by speaking in the first place, i might as well make it about unity and Love, instead of more disagreement and division.

So, what do you try to accomplish by questioning others for creating division (in any form) by doing it yourself?

I would be interested in your perspective, but you are obviously not interested in my own. Or believe you know it already. As a result, we have little to discuss either way. If i am wrong, i apologize

The problem with the general thinking in this thread is that we tend to think of each new day as a new beginning , but this is far from the truth .For what we did yesterday will surely catch us up tomorrow

Terry

If not for you and me and those of our brothers and sister who like us champion the cause of love; darkness would swallow the World. Darkness would swallow the galaxy. Darkness would swallow the Universe. Reflect upon how crucial each and every one of us are to the cause of Love. We are pushing back the darkness. If not for us, all would be cloaked in darkness of unimaginable depth. You are so important to the cause! So keep on shining your light! You are doing such great and infinately important work. So the next time you feel down, remember this! You are a Cosmic Superhero! Peace & Love to you all!

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e.e. cummings had a more elegant way of saying this, and I got it from him.


When times are bad, people struggle to make things better.

When times are finally good and prosperous, people take for granted the struggle that was required to achieve it, and prosperity decays back into more struggle.


It's just the same as Yin and Yang constantly chasing and pushing each other for creation to take place. Same as Jung's subconscious processes, which compensate and "egg on" the conscious mind, pushing it towards a fuller experience of life, and vice versa.


It's easy to favor one over the other, but really we need them both, restrained in their proper places. As the Tao te Ching says, the master just sits unassumingly in the center of it all, where there is nothing in particular to enjoy and nothing to struggle against.