UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

reply to post by timewalker


Thank you,
I see someone else has tried to convince them of the global importance of this vid if true.
Hopefully they will consider their responsibilitys.

will be keeping a close eye on that channel, thanks again for the heads up.

For those interested here are the relevant channels with the original vids

www.youtube.com...
vid 1
www.youtube.com...
vid 2
www.youtube.com...
Vid 4

i didnt bother with vid3 since its likely a fake

Yuli's (i think)
www.youtube.com...

Dor ? (maybe)
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by DeboWilliams


These videos 1-2 were shot at the same time in the same location, but with different camera's different settings 1 seams to be zoomed ones seams to be not zoomed(the farther back one). Guy up front is at a slightly different angle. They will not be the exact same they just will not be. They will be close to the same. Real close as they seam to be.

reply to post by BrownDwarfStar

But no. The camera suddenly cuts to the object in perfect focus and they just happen to record the object above the ground for the same length of time as the first video. *Extremely* fortuitous, if you ask me.

Why would something like this not be the case.....Camera man is in shock as they watch the orb descend. Dosent remember that maybe he should be rec. If the camera man is watching this whole event through the camera viewfinder, it is going to be already in focus at whatever time he hits the record button

It could be that is not until the object hovers just above the city that he remembers to hit record. You can't say that something like this is not plausible .

I am going to take a break from this for a little bit and work on these red lights. Debo please dont think I attack your info. You just present a lot of good info to look at where others have provided little. So I am not picking you out or picking on you. So far you are the best debate here.

reply to post by faustus


give me a hint
i cant see anything, what are you seeing, if i know what to look for it will be easier to spot

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Originally posted by Quartza
reply to post by BrownDwarfStar

 

But no. The camera suddenly cuts to the object in perfect focus and they just happen to record the object above the ground for the same length of time as the first video. *Extremely* fortuitous, if you ask me.

Why would something like this not be the case.....Camera man is in shock as they watch the orb descend. Dosent remember that maybe he should be rec. If the camera man is watching this whole event through the camera is going to be already in focus at whatever time he hits the record button

It could be that is not until the object hovers just above the city that he remembers to hit record. You can't say that something like this is not plausible .

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I agree there are a number of plausible reasons why it happened like this, and the issues being pointed out are not conclusive evidence imo of a hoax or dishonesty
(note to mod, ive quoted both because im responding to both posters, hope thats ok)

reply to post by faustus


So what are you seeing here ?
i can see what might be some sort of ball in the distance and a shadow that might be a grey alien with big black eyes.

Originally posted by DeboWilliams
@Quartza

wtf you talking about. Show me minute details thats been throwing me off, what posts did this happen.

You know, for 2 videos being recorded at the EXACT same time, there sure as hell seem to be alot different in each video, it seems the only thing that IS the exact same, is the damn UFO.

But in your world, this is normal

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Yes, exact time, but NOT location. The little change in location can account for that...plus the different camera types

Originally posted by ExCloud
I am going to take a break from this for a little bit and work on these red lights. Debo please dont think I attack your info. You just present a lot of good info to look at where others have provided little. So I am not picking you out or picking on you. So far you are the best debate here.

Well like I said before, someone needs to come up with some criteria as to what needs to be satisfied to either debunk or prove what these are. Because everyone seems to have different criteria, theres needs to be a universal list. So far, the only impression I am getting from the nay sayers is that they would only agree that they are fake if the people shown in the videos would come out and say "we faked this". which won't happen anyways.

Basically, how many more discrepancies will need to be brought to light?
How many more flaws?
Define what would be the "nail in the coffin"

You guys say that what has been shown isnt enough, WHAT would be enough?

@Quartza
Yes, exact time, but NOT location. The little change in location can account for that...plus the different camera types

Then could you show me how this could happen by doing a example? Can you bring some footage from anywhere that could back up this theory?

reply to post by faustus


Good catch. Looks like they are having fun with an image of an "alien" or someone in a ski mask. I believe they left little fun clues like this throughout the video. As I said the soundtrack is one, in fact there is a finger pointing at the radio as the ELO song is on.
Can you take a close look at the side view mirror, in the first 2 minutes as the passenger leans forward to expose the mirror. I think tehre might be some hidden images there as well.

Originally posted by DeboWilliams

Originally posted by haggisbingo
I agree on the weather cam as far as it being important - if something that looks like this object was in the sky in the general area at about this time, that is something. Maybe not as compelling as a direct hit on time and location, but something. If someone could analyze the weather cam object and dissect that I think it would be more helpful at this point.

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot

We have an unusual light on the weathercam (even if it's not directly over the mount). Doesn't that show ATLEAST something unusual was in the area?

I have spent plenty of time in Israel and the thing with finding witnesses is the way the old city is laid out.. All around you whilst in the old city you have 20-30 feet walls surrounding every street.. You would have no line of sight to any object unless it was nice and high... The only open spaces within the old city are the Wailing wall and the mound the Church of the sepulture(sp?) are on..

weather camera was DEBUNKED.

02WS Manager: The camera is in Gilo looking north and the Dome of the rock is not in the frame, not even after building obstructing it . It is later on the right of the frame. The spot you saw in the clip is something else, not connected.

See this is what I am talking about, noone listens.

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On that weather cam site they have their own location pinpointed to Nayot and looking north from there on google earth guess what's in view? DOR. I made a crappy little video to show this.

My crappy video

Originally posted by faustus
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I would say thats not related. Pee guy is looking pretty much in the same direction the car is facing. He did walk straight past car, in the same direction of car. If that was the object in question, I think he would been looking more to the right and walking that way.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


How do you know that wont happen, its these absolute statements of fact that bother people

It might happen, they might come out and say we faked it.

Conversly i could ask you what criteria would prove to you its real, what would need to happen to prove its real in your eyes.

reply to post by freelance_zenarchist

Well spotted! Starred! This ties in nicely with what laymanskeptic pointed out.

reply to post by Kali74


Yea but the webcam isnt at the actual building, it seems to be behind and above the building or something. Either way, this information should be dismissed because the people who run the site already cleared this up. Are we going to just say this guy is lieing now

Originally posted by Al E. Inn
reply to post by faustus

 

Good catch. Looks like they are having fun with an image of an "alien" or someone in a ski mask. I believe they left little fun clues like this throughout the video. As I said the soundtrack is one, in fact there is a finger pointing at the radio as the ELO song is on.
Can you take a close look at the side view mirror, in the first 2 minutes as the passenger leans forward to expose the mirror. I think tehre might be some hidden images there as well.

I'd love to think that if I was making a video like this I'd remember to include some subliminals just for extra punch, but I'd probably rush it and forget.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


It would be something I can look at and can not shoot down a reason for it happening such as the guy who posted the still images or slowed down ones of video 4 with a straight line and the orb it doesnt move with the camera. I dont know how this could happen and until someone steps in that does I consider it evidence it could be a hoax for video 4.

reply to post by Kali74


Thanks for this, very interesting