UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

reply to post by zorgon


Well it looks like you or someone increased the brightness of the whole picture so naturally you are going to see the man's back light up a bit. Even still with a flash so bright a lot of dark areas are going to appear a little brighter

reply to post by Libertygal


Trust me if they were trying to sell the info and turned into being huge on the media scene the debunkers would be all over that you are correct. Its happened time and time again. Look back at other posts.

reply to post by Libertygal
I somehow doubt those American students that used the "F" word in their video were too worried about drinking or what their parents were thinking!

The eye witness reports now coming out and presented on this board does give food for thought if these witnesses are credible.

Originally posted by Logical one
reply to post by Libertygal

 

I somehow doubt those American students that used the "F" word in their video were too worried about drinking or what their parents were thinking!

The eye witness reports now coming out and presented on this board does give food for thought if these witnesses are credible.

That was a fake video.

The one I am speaking of was the Israeli students who shot the 4th film. They were supposedly drinking, and the one guy said he needed to pee. (according to the translations)

reply to post by haketem


Thanks Haketem, excellent find

This puts to rest a number of arguments used to declare a hoax.
The first it hasnt made local media...... clearly it has
The second why are there no other witness's....clearly there were

And the second is significant, we now have multiple videos, from multiple angles and multiple ages

Eli is 42, the guy who posted the second clip is 35 and the 4 younger people from vid 4

we have independant witness's who are reporting seeing the lights

And we have David Biedny, an expert who says these vids dont have any flaws.

The fact that we now have witness's who say they saw the lights is significant, obviously for those wishing to prove this is fake, that wont be enough. They will say how do we know they are telling the truth, why are there not MORE witness's. But for these people the only thing that would prove this event took place would be for them to have been there personally and have seen it with their own eyes.

If David Biedny had said this is a hoax (as he did during the drone fiasco) that would be case closed for me, but he says they are not. that expert opinion combined with the other factors is significant imo

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by haketem

 

Nice find man nice find. Hmm we have google translators that come out this good or did you fill in some blanks?

Google translate isn't perfect, I fixed where needed to get his point across

reply to post by Libertygal


There is no drinking age in Israel, you only need to be 18 to buy and no sales after 11pm

Drinking is ok!


In fact the video the kids are linked to is a anti drunk driving PSA

I tell you one thing I would like to see, and I have no idea how to do it, but here goes.

Take the sequences of the red lights scenes from videos 2 and 4, and do a side by side comparison of the sequences.

Allegedly, these two videos were shot literally from opposite sides of the city, so would not the sequences appear in reverse?

The only way it may not change very drastically is if the red lights sequence of the video ended up with the lights being nearly directly overhead *both* parties.

Otherwise, there would be disparities in the sequence, ie: on video 2 the flashes would be on the left and on video 4, shouldn't they be on the right?

If not, if the flashing red lights sequence is identical on films 2 and 4, I think this could be the one clincher that proves or disproves it.

reply to post by Libertygal


i love this idea. If i didn't have to go to work i'd be flipping the images in sony vegas as we speak!

someone please do this!

flip the red lights of the first video see if they match up with the fourth video!

Is this Thread closed or why i cant make a questions about a Video from Jerusalem?

Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by Libertygal

 

i love this idea. If i didn't have to go to work i'd be flipping the images in sony vegas as we speak!

someone please do this!

flip the red lights of the first video see if they match up with the fourth video!

edit on 2/4/2011 by JPhish because: (no reason given)

I didn't mean flip them, per se, although that could be a good test too.

What I am implying is, if these two videos are placed side by side, just the red lights portion, the flashes should be exactly the opposite sides of the screen. If it is hoaxed, then they would be identical footage pasted into the sequence. See where I am coming from?

In other words, maybe they forgot to flip it, to fit the fact they were opposite sides of the city?

The only thing I can see that may make it somewhat the same sequence of flashes would be if it was nearly centered and far to the side and very high, only then would this explain them being only somewhat similar.

It would be perspective.

reply to post by Ashtrei


Ashtrei do you know of any of the witnesses appearing on Israeli TV?

reply to post by Libertygal


I have asked someone to do this many times, and for the exact same reason, its possible they slipped up with the red lights.
for example if we get a triangle of red lights shot from the south with the point showing at the bottom of the frame, logic suggests that the shot from the north would have that point at the top of the frame, the pattern of lights should be an inverse of the set taken from the other location.
But if you look at the lights in vid 4, they seem larger, (as would be expected since its closer by half, to the dome on the rock) so if a hoax some attention has been put to that aspect at least.
But logically we should see an inverse duplicate of the pattern of lights shot from the promenade

reply to post by Libertygal


oh no, i understood you;

the witnesses were on nearly opposites sides of the dome. So if the image of one video were flipped upside down the red lights in both videos should almost match up.

that's what i was trying to say.

Originally posted by Logical one
reply to post by Ashtrei

 

Ashtrei do you know of any of the witnesses appearing on Israeli TV?

Im not aware of any of the witness appearing on Israeli TV, but it did make the news



but as you will see they are using the 3rd video, the one agreed on by consensus to be the fake one

reply to post by Ashtrei


Yep! And, in this instance, size wouldn't matter! (Never thought I would be saying that! ) It would be a matter of sequence, and which side of the screen they appeared on. Pure and simple.

Did anyone watch video 2 again from the main page? Why is stuff that we have been adding and reporting showing up on video 2 in text at the start now even though we have debunked some of it? Such as the weather cam? Was that on it the whole time?

reply to post by Ashtrei


the fact that all news outlets are using the obvious fake, screams cover-up to me.

reply to post by ExCloud


This is the original vid 2's channel,

www.youtube.com...

the original vid 2 is there, seems the same to me

I am working on the red lights in the sky can you guys give me like 15mins?