UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

Originally posted by pharaohmoan
VIDEO 4, UNEDITED FULL VERSION , Includes the drive up to Temple Mount.

Listen to the voices, they are the same as the original audio first released (CIA AGENTS PERHAPS) I don't think so, just some kids out having fun.

Maybe they have an nefarious alternate agenda. I don't think so, they're just kids.

ORIGINAL FOOTAGE OF AN ACTUAL EVENT, well now that does seem plausable don't it!

I'm glad they held back from releasing the full, (pre event) footage with their original voices!

Feel free to do a voice analysis on their speach patterns v's original released footage, I think you will find it matchs!.

Eat my dust DEBUNKERS!

why dont you post evidence that they are the same voices ?
you make the claim.... wheres the proof ?

Originally posted by Paradigm2012
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

You need to prove things to back up your claims. Your accusations need solid evidence to support them. So far you are lacking on the data to support your theories.

Do you see how this works?

In court you would never win.

show us the evidence

Haven't you been blowing smoke out of your arse for chapters on ATS's enough? You keep saying "that is not real and that is not true and you lie" give the trolling a rest will ya. Pump the breaks, yes we got the point. That would be nothing and nothing to contribute.... but hey it's a free country.

This is a a Hoax and an entertaining one at that, the sheer ignorance in the air could be cut with a butter knife.

Originally posted by soulfox
What about Vid1 Ash? Whats the reason behind it's dubunk.. was trawling threads yesterday, no one could. If it can be debunked, doesn't it inherently disable Vid2?

I have seen nothing that debunks vid 1 thus far

Originally posted by Ear-Responsible

Originally posted by Zeta Reticulan

baaaahhahahahahaahahah

This I mean THIS H0AX

Originally posted by Ashtrei

Originally posted by soulfox
What about Vid1 Ash? Whats the reason behind it's dubunk.. was trawling threads yesterday, no one could. If it can be debunked, doesn't it inherently disable Vid2?

I have seen nothing that debunks vid 1 thus far

The world is flat, the sky is green and Elvis is still alive and frequents cafes

reply to post by Ashtrei


Ive got a way to prove these VIDS are real. When the ORB moves laterally in VID4 we can see the ORB move slightly in VID1 and VID2.. All we have to do is get both camera locations and figure the angular dimension between both shooting points..

If indeed these 3 videos are real the angle should be around the 90 degrees mark. Dont know where vid 4 was shot from though! that would be a start!

Originally posted by soulfox
reply to post by Ashtrei

 

Ive got a way to prove these VIDS are real. When the ORB moves laterally in VID4 we can see the ORB move slightly in VID1 and VID2.. All we have to do is get both camera locations and figure the angular dimension between both shooting points..

If indeed these 3 videos are real the angle should be around the 90 degrees mark. Dont know where vid 4 was shot from though! that would be a start!

edit on 4-2-2011 by soulfox because: (no reason given)

Maybe this will help. This was written on pg. 70 of the first thread, his name is haketem:

Hey,
I live in Jerusalem and for your information:
Videos 1 and 2 are supposedly filmed at the Armon HaNatziv promenade, which is south of the old city. Meaning looking north.
In Video 4's description it reads in Hebrew that they shot it at Mount Scopus - Har HaTzofim (The description read "Zofim muonten"]. This makes sense in terms of geography of the drive, and the angle it was shot.
Mt Scopus is north of the Old City, looking south.
So they are practically shooting each-other, but standing a few miles apart.

There are walls all around the old city, and it can be seen from the south (Armon HaNatziv/East Talpiot promenade), North (Mt. Scopus), East (Mount of Olives. No video from that angle) and from the west.

By the way, you can see a camera that captures a frame every 10 minutes at the Jerusalem Weather Station 02ws.com, for the 28th go here:
www.02ws.com...
write in the box
28-01-2011
and click "Show"
The camera is located much farther away from the old city, in Nayot neighborhood, from which you cannot actually see the old city. It's probably not of much help...

That's it. I don't know if it is real or fake, but in terms of geography it passes.
edit on 2-2-2011 by haketem because: PS

reply to post by m0r1arty


im not attacking him, but just the sloppy data he is presenting as fact

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
The world is flat, the sky is green and Elvis is still alive and frequents cafes

Off topic and unhelpful mate

the world is not flat the sky is not green and elvis is dead........

but if this is an example of your truth........ then your claims this is a hoax fall into the same basket dont they ?

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Im doing my best to debate the facts not the personalitys, if i have done something wrong pls feel free to tell me

It's a hoax people just let it go, it's not worth the time. These punk kids that pulled off this hoax achive more icing on the cake with every empty rebut the saucer fan boy's present., more rehashed garbage and playing in the hands of the hoaxters. They flame the boards how disgruntled they are with the sheeple yet they fall for the cheapest tricks in the book. Admittance of self guilt.. they are the sheep they speak of.

Billy Meier would be rolling in his grave if he was dead

Pathetic

Originally posted by Ashtrei
reply to post by m0r1arty

 

im not attacking him, but just the sloppy data he is presenting as fact

You see I actually thought the same thing before with my questions to the two guys that bring up these analysis, DeboWilliams and giftofprophecy, until I actually went and looked to see what it is they were talking about.

Mr. Debo points out the sound break, the chhh and the crack, in video 1 and 2 clip which if you hear it, it is obvious and he verbally goes through the analysis in simple terms. Which seems logical.

giftofprophecy I thought I had passed his analysis until I read up on the laws of physics pertaining to the parallax. I gave him examples of how I break laws of physics with the way "english" is played when playing pool or bowling, but after reading up on it, it seems that the laws are different when pertaining to spheres as opposed to walls and such. I don't know I am no physics expert and I really don't know what his qualifications are either, but from what I read it seems logical once again. However, I have been wrong many a times.

reply to post by Ashtrei


The proof their voices matching the original footage is called using your common sense and ears, someone else can match the voice patterns, besides I've already done loads to support the reality of this event see my video analysis on this.....



Why don't you actually do something constructive yourself. This has nothing to do with COHEN

Originally posted by believerofgod

Wait a minute here MM. Now what is your profession exactly? All of the sudden you have 25+ yrs in working with sound?

Musician for many many years.

There are examples and links of my seven albums around ATS somewhere.

The story is quite extensive and has a lot to it. Sorry I do not spread the info often. Since my band days I have changed and find the music I made to be distastful and agaisnt my current beliefs.

Where did this come from? From what I have seen you have been riding the band wagon of who ever has the best answer at the time. Only reason I say this because in the old thread you were behind Debo and giftofprophecy in their analysis and pretty much seemed to be calling it a hoax. I came along and questioned both of these guys without a response from either at the time. From what I gathered with Mr. Debo and his analysis was short of his explanation that he verbally walked me through on his new video in this new thread that you have reopened with your so called MOD buddies, which is cool but don't make it seem like you have all this knowledge.

I don't give my credentials often, but here goes-

I have personally worked with hundreds of musicians both famous and non and have performed live for many years and organized many concerts that have attracted bands from all over the world (some of a famous status)

The people who are my friends in real life have had recording contracts and performance histories with some of the industries' biggest names as well as still selling out shows or opening for/performing with national bands.

I have owned my own studio(s) as well as recorded/mixed/mastered sound for my own and many other's video's, advertisements and albums for many years- along with having run our own internet radio show- that played ONLY independent- music for two years that had a following of over two thousand listeners weekly.

I also am co-owner of an independent silkscreening company, do digital graphics, pen and ink, vocals, independent film work and a little dancing.

I have (and my other band mates) sold thousands of tickets to our shows where we headlined or performed along side other bands who also have had amazing career adventures in both music and film themselves.

I no longer do music as I have changed and find my past adventures to be a bit tasteless and childish, but still wear my Mask and salute all those I ran with in the past as great individuals. I love DARKA.


I am a nobody, a Masked man who travels alone.

I am Mr Mask,

If you did you would not have questioned someone else on Mr. Debo and his analysis earlier on this thread with the same question I had brought up concerning the wind factor.

No, because what he is saying (at that time was a little cryptic but now clarified) made total sense and what he was saying was not an issue with "sound being distorted", but sound not reflecting the proper distence between mics.

When I heard his original case, I stated it may be the smoking gun and was brilliant but that he needed to clarify it more for people who may have difficulty understanding his findings due to not working with sound.

Now with giftofprophecy and his analysis, you had believed it again until I had brought up the issues I had with his "real" shake as opposed the "fake" shake that he was referring to.

I have yet to speak on the shake evidence since I know nothing about special effects.

Once both of these guys didn't answer me, probably cause they knew they had nothing to refute with the parallax and the audio (I still don't see the deal with the "real" or "fake" shake), you seemed to jump the band wagon and decided, in cooperation with the MODS (as stated by yourself), to go ahead and start a new thread in light of the what seemed to be a new case here.

The parallax issue is still rock solid and I still stand behind it.

The mod's decisions on this subject are strange, but for good reason.

Again, trickery may be involved- but not on behalf of the staff or owners.

Special actions are being taken for special reasons. I can only guess that I was asked to reopen this thread because they knew I'd understand there would be special limitations to it and felt I could be trusted in staying within those limitations while knowing I've been actively here watching this story . I'm guessing here.

So like I said I am just a bit confused as to what it is you really do.

I've dedicated my life to making "FREE ART FOR FREE MINDS" and will continue to do so until I am dead.

I guess the one thing I "dislike" are people who love to ride the band wagon when things seem to go wrong on one team as opposed to the team they should have been backing from the get go.

I've been very clear on what side I sit. Video one's background is not legit.

The audio clips of one and two are "most likely" altered as Debo says and I can't figure out a single reason why the clips would be this way.

Kinda like the band wagon fans of football, basketball teams, you know what I am talking about. Now you will forgive me for what seems like me calling you out, but I do call it as I see it.

I was not the one to discover the info. I simply saw it was good research and conclusive.

You do not have to be a detective to see conclusive proof.

I am glad you had an epiphany of how you have been treating others as I have heard and seen the complaints for some time now, but hey we all learn sometime right.

I've been trying to change my attitude for about 6 years now.

It is not easy when confronted with people acting badly or when faced with liars.

You will find most of my slip ups on self controlling my talents of "jerkyness" are in situations of people being jerks to me firstly. That is not an excuse, just an admitted weakness.

But yes in my opinion the anomalies are backed up by their experience and expertise.

If I never studied perspective for many years personally, and spent most my life working with sound, I think I'd have a hard time understanding the analysis given by both these clever men.

But with some trying and research- I think anyone can "get it" if they try.

Thanks for the post and questions.

PS-I don't go around talking about my music days often for reasons you may understand. I like your name.

Originally posted by Mr Mask



Musician for many many years.

There are examples and links of my seven albums around ATS somewhere.

The story is quite extensive and has a lot to it. Sorry I do not spread the info often. Since my band days I have changed and find the music I made to be distastful and agaisnt my current beliefs.





I don't give my credentials often, but here goes-

I have personally worked with hundreds of musicians both famous and non and have performed live for many years and organized many concerts that have attracted bands from all over the world (some of a famous status)

The people who are my friends in real life have had recording contracts and performance histories with some of the industries' biggest names as well as still selling out shows or opening for/performing with national bands.

I have owned my own studio(s) as well as recorded/mixed/mastered sound for my own and many other's video's, advertisements and albums for many years- along with having run our own internet radio show- that played ONLY independent- music for two years that had a following of over two thousand listeners weekly.

I also am co-owner of an independent silkscreening company, do digital graphics, pen and ink, vocals, independent film work and a little dancing.

I have (and my other band mates) sold thousands of tickets to our shows where we headlined or performed along side other bands who also have had amazing career adventures in both music and film themselves.

I no longer do music as I have changed and find my past adventures to be a bit tasteless and childish, but still wear my Mask and salute all those I ran with in the past as great individuals. I love DARKA.


I am a nobody, a Masked man who travels alone.

I am Mr Mask,

If you did you would not have questioned someone else on Mr. Debo and his analysis earlier on this thread with the same question I had brought up concerning the wind factor.



excessive quoting ?
LMFAO mods

56 pages so I have jumped in and jumped out. Its difficult cos shaky footage doesnt show anythin but good footage is too good to be true, i'm saying that video 4 in the car is lit too well and set up really good, too good for an amatuer group of randoms filming, I made a few films of holidays with my mates then used Pinacle to make a movie and none of them were nearly that clear.

I think someone in page 1 or 2 called it right, a viral for an upcoming movie, what are the chances of an old girl from USA coming out with that line, "we saw those in Alabama but they was never that clear ya'all".

But I still have to laugh to myself cos I want to believe, if it were shaky and one film its crap and no one cares, 4 videos really clear and it has to be a hoax.

Im going to start another thread....

Originally posted by believerofgod
Mr. Debo points out the sound break, the chhh and the crack, in video 1 and 2 clip which if you hear it, it is obvious and he verbally goes through the analysis in simple terms. Which seems logical.

Yet he wont post the graphics that show a "match" of the envelope, while another poster says he has compared these noises and they dont match.........

Have we all seen this 720p version

looks ropey with the parallax

This post is to Fly Solo and his suggestion that he has observed the mystery light at 0:57 (28 Feb 2011) via the Jerusalem weather cam.

I however am not so convinced that this light is of much significance.

Firstly the video cam video doesn't allow the observer to note how long the light stayed on for.
So even though you may have onserved the light at 0:57 ......the light could have come on at 0:45 and stayed on until at least 0::57, the video is too compressed into a (24 hours into a I minute video) tp make any accurate observations about how long the light observed at 0:57 was on for BEFORE and AFTER 0:57.

Furthermore the same light can be observed at 23:57PM & 0:16AM & 0:27AM & 1:28AM & 4:18AM & 4:38AM.

The conclusion seems to point to the fact that the light you highlighted in the weather cam video is not really associated with the "UFO" lights over the Dome.