UFO over Jerusalem: CONFIRMED HOAX

reply to post by AllIsOne


You obviously know little about exotic materials. By changing the ways in which photons are deflected or emitted, the results on a video camera can be resoundingly manipulated. Advanced technologies - for example the craft as seen in the video - would almost certainly, by necessity, have been constructed with some advanced optical trickery included - stealth capabilities to you and me.

I believe we are only seeing what we are allowed to see. There is an agenda at play here; whose, we won't know for definite for some time to come.

To clarify:

- If the intent of that craft was to go undetected, it would have gone undetected.


Why did we see it then?

- If we were supposed to see it because ETs want to announce their presence, then they succeeded.

- If this was a hoax, then the only legitimate motivation I can see to date is that it was intended to be 'the straw that breaks the camel's back of disbelief' amongst the - generally disbelieving - public. The fact that this is now gaining some mainstream coverage should not be discounted as a coincidence. It is being shown because it is so compelling - our 'false flag' alarms should be sounding to alert us to a potential set-up.


Conclusions:

Regardless of the answer as to WHO did this (ie - extraterrestrials, or PTB), the operation planners did a very good job of garnering massive interest in the phenomenon, indeed, causing many people to become 'believers'.

Ignoring the pseudo-skeptics for a moment.... This footage is good enough to convince all but the most technically qualified. Even an assessment of the best argument I've seen - laymanskeptic's - has shown the hardcore skeptical position to be far from conclusive.


Therefore, this footage is either genuine evidence of a UFO visitation (again, deliberately making its presence known), or it is an amazingly good-quality hoax, designed and perpetrated by someone with ready cash, who wants the general public to become open to the possibility of extraterrestrial visitors.

Originally posted by FlySolo

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Kudos to FlySolo for finding these videos, which clearly prove this is not a video hoax. This event took place. I love how the guy who says this is all a hoax and is tearing apart the videos hasn't ripped apart these ones. Oh that's right. Can't. 6 witnesses, several videos and webcam confirmation pretty much cinches the deal. Nice Work....great thread.

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Originally posted by FlySolo

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Great work. This sure seems to confirm the videos. It has been interesting reading the ALL CAPS posts informing us all how the videos HAVE to be hoaxes, but you went out and looked for another source to confirm what happened AT THAT TIME and IN THAT PLACE.

So, instead of dissecting videos already out there of this event, you found a seperate, irrefutable camera angle confirming some type of light at that time and in that location.

Great, great work. Much better than all the video experts on here yelling how they KNOW it's a hoax.

Egg. Face. Awesome.



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reply to post by Mr Mask


Thanks for putting this back up. I know the video that got to me the most was the fourth video when the people were talking in Hebrew. I don't know if it is a fake or not. The UFO did the exact same thing I saw a star do when I was a little girl. I thought I was imagining it at the time.

My experience was when I was with my dad, who was a captain in the air force at the time. I saw what I thought was a shooting star. It was moving slowly across the sky. It seemed way too high to be an airplane. That thought crossed my mind at the time also. All of a sudden it shot sideways just as sudden and fast like in the video when it shot upwards. I asked my dad about it at the time, and he dismissed me. Later on in life, he let me know there was an Area 51 as you all know by now, but he never really talked to me any further than it existed.

Wow, this is insane.

One good thing all of us can do, skeptics, believers, and those undecided, is to cut out the ridiculing, etc. If some of us can chill out a bit more we'll save a lot of useless pages in the thread and save reading through loads of crap. We all want answers, so point-scoring/arguing/ridiculing without definite proof is just wasting all our time and slowing all of us down.

reply to post by DeboWilliams


I did I did not watch the 2nd one though when I replied as I reply as I go because I dont want to try and remember what page it was on if I am on page 50. After watching your 2nd video I can say yea its possible, but 2 different phones 2 different microphones. My guess is the guy in front will be louder then the guy in back on the guy in backs phone. The guy in front will be louder on his phone. Thats how it should be I dunno unless like I said different phone different camera's different microphones different setups on phone and configuration of the sound volume etc all play a factor.

Originally posted by Kantele

Originally posted by DeboWilliams
H people record a video at the same time, Then both of you guys talk

THE OPPOSITE PERSON FROM THE RECORDERS PERSPECTIVE WILL BE LOWER IN VOLUME. ALWAYS.

Unless the other person is yelling at the top of his lungs and the guy that's recording is whispering, it will NEVER work that way

Just an observation here. Yesterday I was with my Corgi Dog outside, adn my girlfriend called me on the cell. I answered and 15 seconds later 2 friends came near me (2 meters far away), and my girl was like, what are you saying? im only getting your friends on the phone, but not you!! They were not screaming; they were talking like normal persons, and I was talking on a same volume level... try this today...

I'm not saying you're wrong, Im just pointing out that sometimes logic defies the what's actually real.

Why cant my girlfriend hear me on the phone while the mic is stuck to my mouth, and my 2 friends are 2 meters away from the mic and not even faceing the mic!!??

BTW: Cell phones may vary from brand to brand. Mine's an iPhone 4

edit on 3-2-2011 by Kantele because: Added cell detail

Do my experiment then, WHY DONT ANYONE TAKE 2 MINUTES AND JUST DO THE EXPERIMENT.

Simple setup

2 people 2 cell phones, doesnt matter what brand model make
1 person stand 10 feet in front of the other person, both facing forward
Both parties press record, and just talk normally, or one alittle louder than the other. it doesnt matter.
Upload the videos to youtube.

Very simple instructions here for the people with no skills that are able to contribute to this topic. 2 cellphones is all thats needed.

reply to post by FlySolo


Yes I agree. So you looked at the whole month and nothing until the night before and the night in question, right?

Originally posted by Cassius666
Can a very fast moving object blur on a camera that usually produces interlaced footage? Can an objective move too fast to appear interlaced appearing blurred instead, like on a camera that shoots progressively scanned immages or is that something that just can not happen?

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The blur can happen but only within the bounds of the "grilling" pattern. Meaning, the blur may or may not be there, but the "grilling" pattern should always be there whenever there is motion (whether vertical or horizontal). The "grilling" is, to put it extremely, is a non-negotiable aspect of interlaced footage.

Thanks for asking that question :-)

I received a call from my aunt in Boca Raton FL, which is about 30 min north of where I stay, she was histerical saying that her daughters saw ufos during their high school reunion. I did a search on youtube and found only 1 video posted of this incident, which coincidently is the same night as this event in jerusalem, 1/28/11. The uploader says it took place around 10 pm. Is this a coincidence? Or do they have any relation?



10 pm eastern this took place, at what time did the Jerusalem citing take place, taking into account timezones?

Thought I would add my 2 cents. Thanks

Originally posted by Quartza
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

 

In regards to your foreground and background movment claim...

So the creators of this "hoax" had the skills to put together the most complex, multi camera, hoax ever created.....but couldn't lock down the foreground and background together....I find that hard to believe.

Not tackling the foreground issue here for now, but ...

An extra camera just gives you more data to track in 3D space, and the cameras being so close together would actually make this easier rather than more difficult. Think of it in terms of geometry ... the more points you have to measure from the more data you can mine. It's good practice when match moving multiple camera angles to reference measurements off each other. This is not as complex as you seem to think ... actually it's incredibly convenient no?

Regarding locking plates ... A lot of people new to VFX can put a track out by an pixel or two quite easily and not notice. Especially in hand cam shots with low end gear and equipment doing 2D tracking.

Do some research into what VFX students actually learn before generalizing is my suggestion.

reply to post by Crimelab


*blush*

Thanks. I know nothing about parallax, camera rolling shutters etc etc, so I stay out of those conversations. I would also like to thank the first guy who made that cam sight available to view but I don't know who he is.

reply to post by liveandletlive


You got it! the 26th and the 28th only.

reply to post by ch1n1t0

I think he's referring to the four in the car and the two in the 1st video.
Don't know about the lady from Mississippi and her group though. Be interesting to see what she says about it.

reply to post by ChantelDay


I think you are right. It's no fun when there is nothing to dissect.

How about it, ya'll. What do ya'll have to say to these images? It has been re-posted about ten times now with no response from any de-bunker. I wanna hear your thoughts on these anomalies that coincide perfectly with the video event. What could these be? I have only seen one response to this, and he thought it could be a light on a timer or some such. Can't see how that would be possible, seeing it only happened twice in all those endless frames of images.

I agree its funny how those wo KNOW its a hoax, dodge this sort of stuff, That MM keeps posting the 3rd clip is telling.
But then those same people KNOW its "made" by sorcha faal and KNOW its the "exact same wall"...........

These web cam shots really do suggest this is the real deal.

Weve had ppl say the car footage is staged, but weve also had someone from the same area say its pretty typical.

the issue regards the motion blur doesnt convince me, how do we know the object didnt change shape as it left, that what we are seeing is not blur, but the actual configuration of the object in high speed flight.

I have no vested interest either way, i would be happy for this to be proved a hoax and move on, but after reviewing all the evidence im personally not convinced the preponderance of evidence confirms its a fake event.
With the web cam footage im more inclined to lean the other way

I dont have the answer, I dont know. But im wary of those that claim they do, esp when they cite reasons like SF/ANW "made" the 4th clip or that the walls are the exact same in both views

reply to post by FlySolo


Its funny because I feel I am being talked over. Like as Im talking I can see them with fingers in their ears going blah, blah, blah......Just so they cant hear. I said something hear and there throughout this thread about your find and no one would react. No one!

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by ChantelDay

 

I think you are right. It's no fun when there is nothing to dissect.

How about it, ya'll. What do ya'll have to say to these images? It has been re-posted about ten times now with no response from any de-bunker. I wanna hear your thoughts on these anomalies that coincide perfectly with the video event. What could these be? I have only seen one response to this, and he thought it could be a light on a timer or some such. Can't see how that would be possible, seeing it only happened twice in all those endless frames of images.

My area of expertise is audio, and since theres no audio, nothing to examine for me. Anyways, do we know which way that camera is pointing? after looking at the stills / videos, I don't see a dome anywhere in sight.

reply to post by Paradigm2012


well i think what u know of computer graphics and what i know are two completely different things. Because i know for an actual FACT, that it's cgi. That effect i made is the same basic effect in the videos, everyones too dam gullible to believe otherwise.

In which case r we to believe aliens r visiting us through orbs? get real, i know cgi, i know how it was done.

reply to post by Pinke


wow your quick to judge....goes for alot of people on here. I've been out of pratice for a while but im not some VFX noob. Just is just something I craped out too.