I noticed a bit of hostility toward Christianity from other members on ATS

Perhaps I'm opening a giant can of angry worms but noticed there is a bit of hostility towards Christianity on some of the thread replies. I myself am a very open minded Christian. Im absolutely fascinated and love to research occult topics including the works of, Alister Crowley, William Dudley Pelley, etc. I love alternative history, out of place artifacts and extreme human antiquity. I like to read accounts of underground civilizations,& bases being ran by reptilians. OBE's, NDE's & contactees and there connection to meditation & mind altering substances. I don't try to indoctrinate people with my religion or denomination, I don't judge people for their different religious views and don't care if your atheist. I don't get offended if you tell me you don't believe in Jesus or feel like I have to defend my religion so please respond. I want to ask why are atheist or anyone else so hostile towards Christianity, was there an bad church experience? I'm pretty curious to know.

The problem lies in the fact that what is for many just a fairy tale is spoken of to be true merely cause a substantial part of mankind decided it was....
Science however combined with logical thinking discredit 99% of "facts" from that book. Along with centuries of hate and persecution it has made some disbelievers hostile. I myself once was hostile until I realized that even a fool can be a good person and perhaps I am that fool.

Try to speak about a book and refer to it rather than stating it as fact. It might bring some people to a point where they loose their hostility and we can co-exist.

It's not just here on ats, it's all over the world. Jesus's message is like no other. If horus or maytrea or budda was like Jesus wouldnt people be attacking those gods? But they aren't. It tells me something that what I believe is hated by the nwo. i agree, live and let live.

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For some a man in the sky who dictates how one should live their lives is as absurd as shape shifting reptiles and flying spagetti monsters. Plus there are the multitudes of evils commited over the centuries by those flying the flag of Christianity. Now most of those evils might not be the fault of those around today but it is as if in defending Christianity one also defends the actions commited in its name which to some is a little too unpalletable, especially when taking with the absurdity.

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I want to ask why are atheist or anyone else so hostile towards Christianity, was there an bad church experience? I'm pretty curious to know.


Because not every christian is as rational as you are...and for some reason, those that aren't, have the loudest voices.





Or, like most zealots that seem to be a magnet for rhetoric around here, the atheists aren't much better with their own perceptions...hence - emotional based arguments ensue. It's therapy - but watered down therapy...





Oh, and...welcome! Another example of getting caught up in the topic too much...

From what I've noticed there is a small portion of ATSers who spew bigoted comments towards Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and other religions. Non-religious people, such as atheists and agnostics, cop a lot of flak as well.

I don't know whether Christianity receives any more prejudice than other religions, but it may do considering that the majority of the people on ATS are from traditionally Christian dominated countries, and that may be the religion that they are most used to.

Most people who are bigoted and need to belittle other peoples' beliefs are usually very insecure about their own, or are arrogant, closed-minded people who get angry and infuriated that people believe or disbelieve in something that they don't.

All in all, any vitriol directed towards someone's beliefs always reflects badly on the person making the comments, and not on the intended target of these comments.

Welcome to ATS, there are many Christians on these boards, you will know them by their posts I am one. I look forward to seeing you out there. There is hostility, more so in the world in general now, toward Christians, ATS reflects the society it exists in.

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I think the main point to make here is that any religion really will give rise to abuse and mocking from 'non-beleivers' or extremist followers of other faiths, christianity in particular attracts the attention you speak of due to many many years of corruption and twisting the teachings of jesus to suit the political and financial gains of an elite few, i'm sure this is true of any religion, but with christianity being the main western religion and our wonderful 'free' press then it is getting torn to shreds. The true message of Jesus is one of tolerance, this has got lost along the way by many.

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First, welcome to ATS. I hope your search for knowledge and information is fruitful.

In regards to the perceived hostility towards religion (Christianity in particular) I believe it stems from the perception that many of faith give off; which is do as I say, not as I do. Now of course, this can be applied to anyone, not just those who practice faith in Christianity.

Some here, of faith and sans-faith present this style. As you spend more time here, you will see it. Another is people that use these boards to not further their knowledge but as an opportunity to evangelize. My advice is your faith is yours and no one else. Use your faith as an example, use it as defense, but don't push it upon others that are not soliciting for it. With that simple baseline, you will notice that besides the rabid few, most won't even care you come from a perspective of faith (unless of course the discussion is in regards to said faith or other faiths!)

As the poster above me, if you notice they immediately demeans your question by calling it a fairytale. It is their right and their ability to call it as such, but you presented a simple question only to be instantly cast aside for your beliefs. Don't disparage for there are many here that may not follow the doctrine of the Church, of Jesus or even a God(s), but will engage you and your questions from an objective point of view that will help you and them in their ever constant quest for knowledge.

Again, welcome to ATS. Dive in or just browse. Feel your way around but please don't leave this community feeling attacked or singled out because of your faith.

I think your sentiments reflect a more gnostic approach than modern day Christianity.

Our feelings towards Christianity stem from the fact that 97% of Christians are sheeple.

The other 2% are what I'll call Jesus-like, they actually live like Christ and take love and peace and understanding over doctrine and text and history and fable. Yet these people still live in a delusional world of God is Good he will make everything work.

This God will make everything work idea is fallacy, humans have the power to cultivate or destroy this Earth, God has never shown us intervention.

Then last 1% are what I'll call Awakened, they somehow despite all the ridiculousness and doctrine tossed around by modern day Christian, they have reached an awakened state of God-self-realization and believe in the divinity and thus infinite power (good and bad) of each human.

So as you can see, 99%+ of Christians are still waiting on God to fix things and or destroy everything and whisk them away to heaven.

Also I did not mention that of those 99% of Christians, a solid 50% of them are either ignorantly Christian, fundamentalist or downright evil. and another 20-30% are enormous hypocrites, i.e. they want to uphold ancient laws from Leviticus regarding gays, yet they enjoy watching Television, Movies, etc that denigrate every law every mentioned in Leviticus

I just cant take Christianity seriously...Then again I cant take Santa clause, and the easter bunny to serious either.

Most of the animosity is towards ORGANIZED RELIGION as a whole. This includes Islam and Judaism.

Zealots and fundamentalists are to blame; people who just believe something is true without asking questions.

Religion was meant to teach morality through parables but in the modern era it is the number one way to gather followers for your cause, be it war, dominance or ego.

Religion divides us as a species. Open any of the big religious texts and they all pretty much say the same thing. Be a good person. Yet religious wars continue because of small differences that are irrelevant to the basic point; be a good person.

The question is, why call yourself anything? Why be a Christian or anything for that matter when you can just be you and believe what you want.

K

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"Science however combined with logical thinking discredit 99% of "facts" from that book."

What? Really? Wow I love blanket statements like this, it truly shows your intelligence. Please continue to enlighten us with more pearls of wisdom, lol.

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Ok, now besides "the spanish inquisition" please show me in history where Christianity has been so evil? Really, so many people who say blanket statements like this don't ever support it with real facts, and examples.

You want christians to coexist with you, but then you attack with statements and judgements that are simply not at all based in any fact.

Personally, though I do not hash out negative comments towards believers unless provoked in the first place, find that religion has no place in many of threads where I have seen it come up in. As someone else has already posted, but I would like to re-iterate, that ATS is full of many people who have grown up or live in a predominant christian society... And finally (and I am not trying to poke anyone, I just want to state my opinion.) Too many christian people are complete hypocrites that do not have the least bit of understanding/comprehension of what it is that they even believe. They do not follow the teachings of their savior, jesus christ, and usually only adopt the term "christian" for themselves because that is how they have been raised.

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
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Ok, now besides "the spanish inquisition" please show me in history where Christianity has been so evil? Really, so many people who say blanket statements like this don't ever support it with real facts, and examples.

The Crusades. The Childrens Crusades. I believe that their where up to 9 Crusades. Not to mention the countless years of rape/assault of young boys by numerous religious figures.


The Crusades - What were the Crusades?
The Crusades were a series of Holy Wars launched by the Christian states of Europe against the Saracens. The term 'Saracen' was the word used to describe a Moslem during the time of the Crusades. The Crusades started in 1095 when Pope Claremont preached the First Crusade at the Council of Claremont. The Pope's preaching led to thousands immediately affixing the cross to their garments - the name Crusade given to the Holy Wars came from old French word 'crois' meaning 'cross'. The Crusades were great military expeditions undertaken by the Christian nations of Europe for the purpose of rescuing the holy places of Palestine from the hands of the Mohammedans. They were eight in number, the first four being sometimes called the Principal Crusades, and the remaining four the Minor Crusades. In addition there was a Children's Crusade.

(source: www.middle-ages.org.uk...)

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The obvious answer to this is that it's not all but only some. Same as with any belief? In addition, different people have different hot buttons or they're had the discussion/debate/argument too many times or a myriad of other reasons that make people cranky. And in a nutshell, that's life. That's online life. And it's typically not personal.

Originally posted by fw2011
It's not just here on ats, it's all over the world. Jesus's message is like no other. If horus or maytrea or budda was like Jesus wouldnt people be attacking those gods? But they aren't. It tells me something that what I believe is hated by the nwo. i agree, live and let live.

I must point out that this form of thinking is niave and builds an enclosed followers complex. "He's perfect, so he must be the one." or "Everyone hates him, so he must be the one." This form of thinking is quite dangerous, and get's us no where. In the end you have to step your foot down and think about WHY they hate him.

Is it the devil at work? Or are these people just voicing their own intellectual opinions based on the fruits or prunes that have been observed.

Also it's a far fetch to say it's about hating Jesus. Jesus is rarely bashed alone, but rather bashed in the form of art, because Jesus is the front figure of the religion.

Buddha was inspiring, Gandhi was inspiring. So was Muhammad, but the fruits of his religion have left a nasty taste in the mouth off much of the global population.

Christians need to stop treating their religion as a closed loop and realize they are the same as everyone else. Otherwise obviously the leaders of the denominations are doing a pretty good job of keeping you closed minded so you keep paying your religious taxes every Sunday morning.

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The core of Christianity is the idea that every child is born evil, because an ancestral person violated a dietary taboo set by god. The only way for this child to be absolved of his ancestor's evil, is to worship the god that levied the curse in the first place. But worshiping the god isn't enough, one must worship the torture and mutilation of that god's son. If the child does not do this, they become condemned to an unquestioned and absolute eternity of torture and agony in a lake of fire.

Now, perhaps you don't buy this stuff - that's fine. But that's the basic outline of Christianity; original sin, absolved by the sacrifice of Jesus, with the alternative of unendurable pain for eternity. If one believes in neither original sin or hell, one is not a Christian, plain and simple. You're a Jewddhist

Not all Christians are bad people, by any means. But the religion itself is only a notch or two above "the sun will go out without human sacrifice!"