Saudi Arabia Slammed Protesters in Egypt as "Infiltrators"

Originally posted by Xcathdra


Actually it does matter how he came to power because the implication is the US put him their, which we did not. Islamic extremists who like to spread hate did that when they killed Sadat.

The US does not fear Iran in a military sense. We fear Iran in the same manner we fear a mentally disbaled sociopath who finds a loaded rifle and car keys in the ignition.

I never said the US put him there, I said he is a US puppet. I don't want to go in to history because I know the discussion will get more complicated and will force us to lose focus. Anyways, Sadat was the Shah of Iran's best friend, the Shah used to call him his 'dear brother'. Puppets usually have good relations with puppets.

US fears Iran not because of its military, yes we know, but we also don't suck in the "wipe out Israel" propaganda, and the sociopath description of their leaders.

US fears Iran because other oppressed nations might pursue a similar course. They tried to isolate Iran for that specific reason.

Will you smell that same fear when the opressed people turn against the Imams and extremists Islam? Or is it only permissable to "bring down an oppresive regime" but not an opressive religion?

Let's stick to Mubarak for a second here thanks.

I see that brainwashing is kicking in again, prohibiting you from independant research and information while toting the party line of evil great satan. SO you have issues with Arab Governments who hav friendly relations with the US, refering to them as oppresive.

Intresting.

Does your view also include Iran, Syria and Yemen as oppresive regimes? Or is your defintion of oppresive only consist of anything that has relations with the US?

You call them Allies of US, I call them puppets. It seems we live in two different worlds. Nice to see, but nothing new.

Iran, Syria and Yemen. Yup, why not, let's add US, UK and Australia in the lot.

The Presence in Saudi Arabia occured because Huseein invaded Kuwait and looked south. We were invited in, so you can take that issue up with the Saudi Government. Iraq was invaded because they had a wmd program, as wikileaks recently released the info that supported those claims.

Afghanistan was invaded for refusing to turn over the people responsible for the death of over 3000 citizens from different countries, including innocent people from the Middle East. Even if we exclude 9/11, we still have the emabssy bombings in Africa, the attack on the USS Cole, the WTC attack in 1993, the targeting of americans in Europe during the cold war, the suicide bombings at our barracks in Lebanon.

Yes, like I said, all of them invited Americans to invade and occupy them, why are you acting so defensive. I simply asked you to write a letter to your president to bring your fellow country men home from Saudi Arabia. If you agree that Saudi Arabia has an oppressive regime, a torturous regime, a murderous regime, then bring your soldiers homes and let the oppressed people deal with the oppressor.

Are you so defensive because you know your country is wrongfully supporting oppressive fascist dictators? That is from your point of view, from my point of view, your country supports and installs oppressive fascist puppet dictators. See the difference?

And its easy to make an argument against regimes you dont agree with by labeling them as puppets of the United States. This is my point and thank you for proving it. Anytime something occurs that arabs / muslims dont like, all they do is attach the US to the equation, whether its true or not, in an effort to defelct anger.

If the Saudi Government ever told the US to leave, we would comply, as we have done with other countries where we had a presence. The term lacking in your argument is called responsibility. All we have to do is look at PressTV and we can see how omitting information skews the articles point to blame the US.

So again, extremists fear a democratic system that allows more than one idea. If Egypt were truely our puppot as you claim, we would not have suspended aid to them and call for the egyptian government to respect the voice of the people.

Ofcourse you would leave an occupied nation if the puppet tolds you to leave, that is the beauty of the puppet deception. You tell your puppet to tell you to leave, then you leave, but obviously if your puppet tells you to leave without your permission it is either assassination, coup, or worse blockade and a proxy war.

What happened to Japan when they ask the US to leave? Someone resigned, who was it?

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As a side note, to go back to the statement about tired of US puppet regimes. In all of the media coverage I have seen, can you please point out where any protesters are burning America, or even Israeli flags? If they are sick of the US, wheres the anger towards the US? Wouldnt the protesters be going nuts over our involvement, instead of going after the Egyptian Government?

Not one American Flag bunred...
Not one Israeli Flag burned...

I think you may have misread the intentions and goals of the Egyptian people.

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They already came after you, don't forget, Al-Zawahiri is from Egypt. They went after the puppet master first, remember 9/11 + they are still fighting in Afghanistan, then again not many believe Muslims were behind 9/11. Anyways, the US is in a brink of collapse therefore it is obvious that now is the best time to go after the puppets. It is working isn't it? Think about the collapse of USSR and what happened to eastern Europe.

Originally posted by reatarded
I never said the US put him there, I said he is a US puppet. I don't want to go in to history because I know the discussion will get more complicated and will force us to lose focus. Anyways, Sadat was the Shah of Iran's best friend, the Shah used to call him his 'dear brother'. Puppets usually have good relations with puppets.

Sadat was assasinated because of his peace plan with Israel. He was assasinated by Islamic Extremists and other Arab Countries suspended Egypt from the Arab League because he wanted peace. When he was assasinated Mubarik became president, not because of the US, but because of the Egyptian people.

Ignoring factual historical information because it does not support your argument is cheap. Its history, for better or worse. The Us has the same issue with History as well, so I will grant you that.

Originally posted by reatarded
US fears Iran not because of its military, yes we know, but we also don't suck in the "wipe out Israel" propaganda, and the sociopath description of their leaders.

We do not fear Iran... We fear the Government of Iran and the irrational decisions that come from them. As I said, its the same fear as if a mentally disturbed person finds a rifle and the car keys in the ignition. Out of curisoity, since you brought up not buying into the Iranian Propoganda, how come you or anyone else does not try to counter it with factual information?

Is it because you dont care they are passing omissions and lies, or is it because of who those omissions and lies are directed at?

Originally posted by reatarded
US fears Iran because other oppressed nations might pursue a similar course. They tried to isolate Iran for that specific reason.

No, we have isolated Iran because of their refusal to comply with their UN obligations on their nuclear program. The resolutions that the security council have passed (which includes to major supporters of Iran - China and Russia) called for Iran to abide by the agreement. The very first resolution specifically states the moment Iran complies, the resolutions / sanctions are dropped.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Will you smell that same fear when the opressed people turn against the Imams and extremists Islam? Or is it only permissable to "bring down an oppresive regime" but not an opressive religion?

Originally posted by reatarded
Let's stick to Mubarak for a second here thanks.

Its a valid question, especially when dealing with Arab Nations. Islam is a religion in addition to governing document for peoples lives and Government functions. In the Arab world Islam and Government go hand in hand, and is source for laws and policy (Foreign and Domestic).

Will you smell that same fear when people rise up against the opressive interpretation of Islam?

I will refer you back to Egypt and whats going on now. The protests involve people of all groups, all ages and shockingly women, covered and uncovered. They arent demanding Islamic Rule. They are demanding freedom and the right to choose their leaders, be able to expresses their ideas and thoughts and to hold the Government accountible to the people.

No American Flags burned
No Israeli Flags burned

This is not an uprising against an American Puppet, but an uprising to demand freedom. Freedom of choice, worship, government, religion etc etc etc. I really think those who are seeing this as an uprising against an American Puppet are missing the key factors of whats going on over there.

Originally posted by reatarded
You call them Allies of US, I call them puppets. It seems we live in two different worlds. Nice to see, but nothing new.

Iran, Syria and Yemen. Yup, why not, let's add US, UK and Australia in the lot.

US, UK, AUS - All countries with freedom of speech, religion, expression, affiliation, politics. Presumed innocent until proven guilty, A Government elected by the people, and a Gvoernment able to be thrown out of office by the people. All countries whose Government derives its authority and legitimacy from the consent of the people.

Iran, Syria, Yemen - Not so much.

We will call the terminology between puppet and ally as a draw, as you make a good point about perception of friend and foe based on beliefs intrests and politics.

Originally posted by reatarded
Yes, like I said, all of them invited Americans to invade and occupy them, why are you acting so defensive. I simply asked you to write a letter to your president to bring your fellow country men home from Saudi Arabia. If you agree that Saudi Arabia has an oppressive regime, a torturous regime, a murderous regime, then bring your soldiers homes and let the oppressed people deal with the oppressor.

Lol thats funny. Is that really what you believe about an American Presence in the Middle East? There is absolutely no need to write the US President and ask to remove American troops from Saudi Arabia, because we have already done that. Actually 7,000 troops were stationed in Saudi after the 1st gulf war. In 2003 we removed our presence in Saudi Arabia.

GlobalSecurity.org - American presence in Saudi Arabia
US Military deployed to Middle East - Wikipedia
US Withdrawal from Saudi Arabia

Whats left in Saudi Arabia? - 400 personell 64th Air Expeditionary Group at Eskan Village.

So yeah, going back to your statement, whats stopping the people of Saudi Arabia from holding their Government accountible as you say? We have no ground troops, and our airwing wont intefere since its an internal matter of Saudi Arabia.

This by the way is what I am talking about when I say please do research when making an argument. By the way just a few of the reasons cited for our departure of Saudi Arabia? The people there were upset about an American Presence in a country that contained 2 of Islams holiest sites.

We left not because of the Saudi Government, but because of the Saudi people in an attempt to respect the religion.

Originally posted by reatarded
Are you so defensive because you know your country is wrongfully supporting oppressive fascist dictators? That is from your point of view, from my point of view, your country supports and installs oppressive fascist puppet dictators. See the difference?

Defensive? not really no. Irritated though? sure. Why? because of the inability of people to do research when making claims or assigning blame when the facts dont support the argument.

No, i dont really see your point. Whether we supprt a Middle East Government who opresses their own people and drags people out of their beds in the middle of the night for accepting more than one idea, is no different than the governments of Syria, Iran or Hamas doing the same thing.

So its not ok for an Arab government to kill people if they are allies of the US, but it is ok for an Arab Government to kill people when they arent allies of the US? Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by reatarded
Ofcourse you would leave an occupied nation if the puppet tolds you to leave, that is the beauty of the puppet deception. You tell your puppet to tell you to leave, then you leave, but obviously if your puppet tells you to leave without your permission it is either assassination, coup, or worse blockade and a proxy war.

For someone who wants to ignore historical events, you seem to have no problem bringing them up here when you need the argument assistance. Funny how that works

Originally posted by reatarded
What happened to Japan when they ask the US to leave? Someone resigned, who was it?

If you are referring to the American presence in Japan now, do some more research about our plans to shift people around to meet the requirements of the local government, including Okinowa.

If you are referring to post WWII - We did not have enough military personell present to have a military government in place there, so we used the Japanese government and worked through them. When they rewrote their constitution, the Japanese added in the military restrictions on their own.

In addition to Japan and Europe, the US helped rebuild those shattered countries and economies. Today they are some of our closest and strongest allies. So strong in fact that we have no problems when we are criticised or a disagreement occurs. That happens between friends.

If you are referring to something else entirely, let me know.

Originally posted by reatarded
They already came after you, don't forget, Al-Zawahiri is from Egypt.

Way to split hairs their boss. Egypt did not come after us, and neither did Saudi Arabia. Extremists groups whose members are citizens of those countries attacked.

Originally posted by reatarded
They went after the puppet master first

Well, no they did not. They targeted civilians who had nothing to do with US foreign policy decisions, military deployment or anything of the sort. 2 attacks on the WTC, 2 attacks on our embassies in Africa, multiple airline hijackings during the 80's including the execution of a US naval member on one of those hijacked airlines, who was executed only because he was military, albeit it in civilian clothes on leave.

Originally posted by reatarded
remember 9/11 + they are still fighting in Afghanistan, then again not many believe Muslims were behind 9/11.

Yup we sure are... I dont think muslims were behind 9/11 either. I do think extremists who hijacked Islam, who execute people for trumped up reasons, who slit the throats of aid workers, and who call on the brainwashed or outright blackmailed people to carry out suicide attacks.

Originally posted by reatarded
Anyways, the US is in a brink of collapse therefore it is obvious that now is the best time to go after the puppets. It is working isn't it? Think about the collapse of USSR and what happened to eastern Europe.

We have our fair share of internal problems. I dont think we are anywhere near the verge of collaps though. We are having financial problems because we thought it better to try to help other countries with aid (military / monetary / diplomatic / infrastructure / etc).

If we have an economic collapse I would rather it be because we attempted to do right in the world and help others out (regardless of aftermath) than have a collapse from something else. Just like other moments in our countries history, we will face the darkness and come out of it still standing.

As far as looking at what happened to the USSR, again you may want to do research there. Russia is back in the game with a devleoping economy. The countries who made up the USSR are also growing, and some have reestablished ties with Moscow.

But hey if we want to look at history - Check out what happened to the Persian Empire. The Ottoman Empire, The Sumerians, Babylonians, Median, Caldean, Lydian, etc etc etc empires from the Middle East.

Intresting view point though.

Thanks.

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A light in the darkness is always welcome...

You have my admiration for your knowledge, and your eloquence in dissembling said knowledge.

Originally posted by Xcathdra


Sadat was assasinated because of his peace plan with Israel. He was assasinated by Islamic Extremists and other Arab Countries suspended Egypt from the Arab League because he wanted peace. When he was assasinated Mubarik became president, not because of the US, but because of the Egyptian people.

Ignoring factual historical information because it does not support your argument is cheap. Its history, for better or worse. The Us has the same issue with History as well, so I will grant you that.

Egyptians were well against Sadat's co-operation with the Zionists, that is why he was regarded as US puppet, but we all know he was a US puppet because he replaced the previous leader who came to power through a US backed coup against the British puppet king.

The assassination of Sadat was by the hands of Egyptians, they planned it and executed the plan. Mubarak came to power, it didn't change anything, he was appointed as vice president in the first place. So a fascist puppet replacing a fascist puppet, I thought you were trying to prove that Mubarak is not a puppet. How did it get so far off-track?

We do not fear Iran... We fear the Government of Iran and the irrational decisions that come from them. As I said, its the same fear as if a mentally disturbed person finds a rifle and the car keys in the ignition. Out of curisoity, since you brought up not buying into the Iranian Propoganda, how come you or anyone else does not try to counter it with factual information?

Is it because you dont care they are passing omissions and lies, or is it because of who those omissions and lies are directed at?

That is your opinion towards Iran which you have inherited from MSM. There are others with different thought, there are others who believe US fears Iran because the country stands for revolution against fascist puppet dictators (a successful revolution). That thought is very popular throughout the Muslim world and South American nations who have also suffered under fascist puppet dictators.

If there is a lie, I will surely expect you to point it out, and I will check it out, if you are right I will stand with you against the lie.

No, we have isolated Iran because of their refusal to comply with their UN obligations on their nuclear program. The resolutions that the security council have passed (which includes to major supporters of Iran - China and Russia) called for Iran to abide by the agreement. The very first resolution specifically states the moment Iran complies, the resolutions / sanctions are dropped.

Funny, I would expect you to isolate Israel also.

Its a valid question, especially when dealing with Arab Nations. Islam is a religion in addition to governing document for peoples lives and Government functions. In the Arab world Islam and Government go hand in hand, and is source for laws and policy (Foreign and Domestic).

Will you smell that same fear when people rise up against the opressive interpretation of Islam?

I will refer you back to Egypt and whats going on now. The protests involve people of all groups, all ages and shockingly women, covered and uncovered. They arent demanding Islamic Rule. They are demanding freedom and the right to choose their leaders, be able to expresses their ideas and thoughts and to hold the Government accountible to the people.

No American Flags burned
No Israeli Flags burned

This is not an uprising against an American Puppet, but an uprising to demand freedom. Freedom of choice, worship, government, religion etc etc etc. I really think those who are seeing this as an uprising against an American Puppet are missing the key factors of whats going on over there.

You are trying to turn the whole discussion in to Muslim fascist dictators VS fascist puppet dictators. They are both fascist dictators, I don't support neither.

US, UK, AUS - All countries with freedom of speech, religion, expression, affiliation, politics. Presumed innocent until proven guilty, A Government elected by the people, and a Gvoernment able to be thrown out of office by the people. All countries whose Government derives its authority and legitimacy from the consent of the people.

Iran, Syria, Yemen - Not so much.

We will call the terminology between puppet and ally as a draw, as you make a good point about perception of friend and foe based on beliefs intrests and politics.

Most of us know non of the qualities you presented is true.
You only have freedom of speech, if you are not taken serious, think about Al-Awlaki who is on a kill or capture list (because his speeches have a different version of facts regarding US foreign police and world events).

You have no rights under the terror laws. Regarding Western politics, umm, I don't think it is free, if it was free, after all this voting you would expect a different result, but the same crap keeps coming out of the rear end after every election. Just because your president is black, doesn't mean you changed your government, you only changed the face.

I haven't seen anything change, and I don't think anything will change even if there was no deception or there was actually free elections. You can pretend your vote makes a difference, but repetition suggests it doesn't.

Lol thats funny. Is that really what you believe about an American Presence in the Middle East? There is absolutely no need to write the US President and ask to remove American troops from Saudi Arabia, because we have already done that. Actually 7,000 troops were stationed in Saudi after the 1st gulf war. In 2003 we removed our presence in Saudi Arabia.

GlobalSecurity.org - American presence in Saudi Arabia
US Military deployed to Middle East - Wikipedia
US Withdrawal from Saudi Arabia

Whats left in Saudi Arabia? - 400 personell 64th Air Expeditionary Group at Eskan Village.

So yeah, going back to your statement, whats stopping the people of Saudi Arabia from holding their Government accountible as you say? We have no ground troops, and our airwing wont intefere since its an internal matter of Saudi Arabia.

This by the way is what I am talking about when I say please do research when making an argument. By the way just a few of the reasons cited for our departure of Saudi Arabia? The people there were upset about an American Presence in a country that contained 2 of Islams holiest sites.

We left not because of the Saudi Government, but because of the Saudi people in an attempt to respect the religion.

Big military base in Saudi Arabia with CIA operating freely through out the country. Did you know CIA is the strongest tool US has, even stronger than its military. The CIA has toppled more governments than its military.

Defensive? not really no. Irritated though? sure. Why? because of the inability of people to do research when making claims or assigning blame when the facts dont support the argument.

No, i dont really see your point. Whether we supprt a Middle East Government who opresses their own people and drags people out of their beds in the middle of the night for accepting more than one idea, is no different than the governments of Syria, Iran or Hamas doing the same thing.

So its not ok for an Arab government to kill people if they are allies of the US, but it is ok for an Arab Government to kill people when they arent allies of the US? Is that what you are saying?

You can't even accept that your government is supporting and installing fascist puppet dictators without twisting it. It shows you are in denial.

By the way, Hamas was chosen by Democratically, but obviously when a Democratically elected government does not represent the US empire, it means it is the enemy, and it is not accepted, and any means is used to remove, isolate, and destroy that government. You can say what ever you like about Syria and Iran, you are welcomed.

For someone who wants to ignore historical events, you seem to have no problem bringing them up here when you need the argument assistance. Funny how that works

Yup, I usually follow my adversary.

If you are referring to the American presence in Japan now, do some more research about our plans to shift people around to meet the requirements of the local government, including Okinowa.

If you are referring to post WWII - We did not have enough military personell present to have a military government in place there, so we used the Japanese government and worked through them. When they rewrote their constitution, the Japanese added in the military restrictions on their own.

In addition to Japan and Europe, the US helped rebuild those shattered countries and economies. Today they are some of our closest and strongest allies. So strong in fact that we have no problems when we are criticised or a disagreement occurs. That happens between friends.

If you are referring to something else entirely, let me know.

Nope I'm talking about a more recent event, when the Japanese public went to the streets demanding the removal of US military base in their soil. The Japanese elected leader failed, then resigned. Obviously from US pressure. The protests started before the sinking of the S-Korean Vessel, and the resignation came after the sinking of S-Korean Vessel.

Way to split hairs their boss. Egypt did not come after us, and neither did Saudi Arabia. Extremists groups whose members are citizens of those countries attacked.

The Egyptian people did come after US, that is why there are so many terrorists from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, not to mention Yemen which is also calling for a revolution, thousands have taken to the streets as we speak.

Well, no they did not. They targeted civilians who had nothing to do with US foreign policy decisions, military deployment or anything of the sort. 2 attacks on the WTC, 2 attacks on our embassies in Africa, multiple airline hijackings during the 80's including the execution of a US naval member on one of those hijacked airlines, who was executed only because he was military, albeit it in civilian clothes on leave.

Yes, and they also burned their own selves alive for protest against the fascist puppet dictators. It shows how desperate they are. If they are that desperate then they will use any means necessary, blowing up some targets within US is regarded as "any means necessary". If they don't have the capability to attack a US soldiers, then they will attack US civilians, because they are desperate, looking desperately for revenge, because justice is absent.

Yup we sure are... I dont think muslims were behind 9/11 either. I do think extremists who hijacked Islam, who execute people for trumped up reasons, who slit the throats of aid workers, and who call on the brainwashed or outright blackmailed people to carry out suicide attacks.

Sure, your opinion is very popular in US, but it is fading.

We have our fair share of internal problems. I dont think we are anywhere near the verge of collaps though. We are having financial problems because we thought it better to try to help other countries with aid (military / monetary / diplomatic / infrastructure / etc).

If we have an economic collapse I would rather it be because we attempted to do right in the world and help others out (regardless of aftermath) than have a collapse from something else. Just like other moments in our countries history, we will face the darkness and come out of it still standing.

Very patriotic, you must be from Texas. Sorry, just a generalization these days.

As far as looking at what happened to the USSR, again you may want to do research there. Russia is back in the game with a devleoping economy. The countries who made up the USSR are also growing, and some have reestablished ties with Moscow.

Yes, empires fall and new ones are born. Russia is not USSR. Just like I'm not my mom, nor my dad, even though the product of my mom and dad.

But hey if we want to look at history - Check out what happened to the Persian Empire. The Ottoman Empire, The Sumerians, Babylonians, Median, Caldean, Lydian, etc etc etc empires from the Middle East.

Intresting view point though.

Thanks.

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Strong opinions create strong character.

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"The US does not fear Iran in a military sense. We fear Iran in the same manner we fear a mentally disbaled sociopath who finds a loaded rifle and car keys in the ignition. "

"We"..? we who?.. speak for yourself. I'm not scared of anyone in Iran, they're too far away to ruin my day. Any Iranians come to Cali, I'll buy them a beer & hang out if they're cool people..

Nobody tells me who to fear, if I see a scary person.. I'll deal with it on my own.

As far as dictators and royal DC mafia "foreign aid" bribery purchased lackeys decrying the people standing up to power.. LOL.. these headlines rely on sheeple ignorance... gee, they must have credibility.. aren't all "leaders" are just like ours, freely elected virtuous reflections of the peoples will?.. or whatever

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I was simply going say how the Saudi's better watch out, because they could be next.

Great Job Retarded, you truly are part of the new Age of awareness...

I think we all need to take a cue from both the Egyptian people, and our friend "retarded" as not the workers, but the Warriors of the Light.

-Hamas is power in Palestine.

-Hezbollah in power in Lebanon.

-Muslim Brotherhood going to come into power in Egypt.

-Iran looking for an opening to attack israel for sabotaging it's nuclear facilities with Stuxnet.

-Israel has the SAMSON option.

= WW3

Originally posted by reatarded
Afraid that your puppet is gone, and afraid of another Iran.

MY puppet??

I can smell the fear in you.

Buddy .. you are whacked. That's all I can say .. get some help.

One question ... Do you think it is time for US troops to withdrawal from Saudi Arabia .

Haven't thought about it. I don't really care if we are there or not.
And to reatarded .... one question back ... are you for real???

Again ... I say the Saudis are getting nervous.

Again ... I say that the US News is reporting that the Muslim Brotherhood is at least partly behind the riots.

Again ... I say that Egypt right now is in a frying pan but if the Muslim Brotherhood gets ahold of it, they'll be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I hope the Egyptian people can bring freedom to their country in a peaceful and SECULAR way. Secularism is the only way it'll work out.

This uprising in Egypt is just fine, except for one little thing: It has NWO and Radical Islam written all over it. I hope that they FAIL.

Listen folks, having a repressed poor people rise up and demand freedom and liberty is one thing. Having one of the most radical of all Muslim Sects, ie, The Muslim Brotherhood, taking power is completely something else. Just look at the LACK of parallels regarding Obama's response to Iran vs Egypt. Iran has radical ragheads in control, Egypt has a quasi dictator. Iran's people rose up and demanded a government similar to ours, and Obama did not raise a finger of support for them.

Egypt's people want freedom, yes, but the ones calling the shots and looking to take charge are Radical ragheads. Does Obama respond the same as he did with Iran? NO. He supports the radicals. Behind closed doors, this Administration KNOWS who will end up in charge. The Muslim Brotherhood, the most radical of all sects.

Iran? Nope, Obama did not support the people, because why? Radical Islam and Communism go hand in hand. It is part of the Grand Chessboard. Destabilize the Middle East by installing Islamist rulers in all the country's surrounding Israel. They in turn, ultimately attack Israel, Nukes will follow, and who comes in after millions of useless eaters are killed? Heck I don't know, but the regular folk will have had their lives turned upside down and be begging for someone, ANYONE, to come in a make things right, AT WHATEVER THE COST.

Remember Iraq? Sure Saddam was a tyrant, but he kept the radicals in check. Now Iraq is primarily controlled by the same sect of radical Islam as Iran. NOT GOOD FOR USA.

This whole thing will escalate to a war declared by America, for control of the Suez Canal. The Muslim Brotherhood has vowed to topple any Arab country who aligns themselves with the west, and will try to shut down American/European Commerce that travels through the Suez Canal. Europe gets ALL of their oil through that Canal.

THIS is why Obama supported what is going on in Egypt (and ignored Iran).
ATS thread - Muslim Brotherhood
The Saudi's have part of it right - there IS something behind the rioting and change.
(that .. and I am sure the Saudi Royals are very, very nervous!)

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From the frying pan into the fire indeed.
It looks as if this very thing is shaping up today.

Muslim Brotherhood moves to form Egypt unity gov't without Mubarak
Opposition group excludes reigning President's National Democratic Party from talks; Mohammed ElBaradei: I have been mandated by the people.

www.haaretz.com...

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I agree 90% and the USA-UK coalition should have taken out iran instead of iraq and afghanistan. We openly supported iraq during its war with iran and then we turn around and backstab our allie just like we are turning around and backstabbing mubarak.

This is extremely irrational foreign policy and in no way can I believe our own government can be that stupid. Someone from the nwo is calling the shots and they are trying to setup WW3 by religious extremism. Christians and jews siding against the muslims and athiest communists...not pretty because just about everyone has nuclear capablities!

The muslim brotherhood if they are fanatical islamists is bad, bad, bad news for everyone. Mainstream religion is a disease that has killed more people than any other reason/excuse and once again I fear history may repeat itself because people are too ignorant to know better and too apathetic to have their voices heard. I am all for democracy, but with democracy comes responsibility. The people who side with the iranian leader are delluding themselves in believing islamic extremism is better than christian extremism when in reality each is one side of the same coin. I hated bush and ajhmenidad at the same time so don't call me a hypocrite and I hate jewish extremism as well!

Lets purge ourselves with organised religion and be spiritual in these troubled times.

reply to post by FlyersFan


The difference between Muslim brother hood and the Mubarak's regime is, that Muslim brotherhood wants Democracy, and represents the people, while Mubarak represents US and its cronies. That's why there is no revolution against Muslim brotherhood, but there is one against your puppet.

Suck it in, this is what happens when empires fall. We all know Egypt is too important for US, but hey, what can the US do, it is being slaughtered in Afghanistan (the graveyard of empires).

Just my opinion, my opinions are only irritating to (patriot Christians).