Weekend of protests across the UK

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Actions ?? Are you still hankering from the 80's or are you refering to more recent events ?

PDUK

Touche.

A little from column A, a little from column B.

I guess we've not endured the Coalition long enough, to see if the Tories / Libs wreck the country even more.... But time will tell.

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
Basically it goes like this. The government want you to work for as little money as possible, then pay more than half of it to the government in the way of direct and indirect taxes. It then adds Value Added Tax (VAT) to everything, and then to add insult to injury allow energy providers to put up prices as and when they want. Everything you need to live goes up in price while wages are frozen or in a lot of cases, are reduced! The bankers took all our money, Europe took what was left to bail out Ireland, and we are left to pay for it. And finally, who is the government made up by? Multi millionaires who themselves dodge tax and use all the loop holes to ensure they pay as little as possible...
This is why the UK is about to either explode in city wide riots and demonstrations, or simply grind to a halt in a national strike. Ordinary Brits have simply reached that tipping point when you have to say, "Enough is enough!"

I think that about sums up the situation very accurately and succintly.

Second line ... because it's required.

reply to post by stumason


For the sake of not going round in circles perhaps we should agree to differ on this; I firmly believe that too many able people from poorer backgrounds will choose not to go to University rather than burden themselves with that amount of debt thus taking us another step away from being a true meritocracy.
I also find it pretty ironic that we are encouraging the most abled in society to accrue debt when amassing debt is one of the major causes of this current crisis!

It seems pretty apparent that your own reasoning has brought you to a different opinion, one that I fully understand and respect, but disagree with nonetheless.

Only time will tell which, if either of us, is correct.

On a slightly different tack, I firmly agree with the point made earlier on about there being far too many meaningless and worthless degrees which has completely devalued the achievement and worth of gaining a degree.

And I personally am quite dismayed that in this day and age an even higher proportion of university students are coming from publiic school backgrounds, especially at the more 'elite' establishments.
As a result an even greater disproportionate amount of the priveliged elite are gaining entry into positions of power and influence in both business and politics.
These people have more control over this country at present than they have done for generations and there is no sign of things improving for the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by stumason

 

For the sake of not going round in circles perhaps we should agree to differ on this; I firmly believe that too many able people from poorer backgrounds will choose not to go to University rather than burden themselves with that amount of debt thus taking us another step away from being a true meritocracy.

Indeed, this is a matter of opinion, based on personal observation and opinion, we can't all agree on everything right? Although in this case, i do happen to side with Freeborn on this issue.

I also find it pretty ironic that we are encouraging the most abled in society to accrue debt when amassing debt is one of the major causes of this current crisis!

And yet, a few miles across the northern border, our Scottish friends don't have this problem.

On a slightly different tack, I firmly agree with the point made earlier on about there being far too many meaningless and worthless degrees which has completely devalued the achievement and worth of gaining a degree.

I agree... Even my degree is fairly varied 'Music technology and sound design' - something between science, art, academia and technical stuff..... But hell, at least my degree will help me in the industry, whereas some folk are getting degrees in 'The Beatles'.... I mean... seriously?

And I personally am quite dismayed that in this day and age an even higher proportion of university students are coming from publiic school backgrounds, especially at the more 'elite' establishments.
As a result an even greater disproportionate amount of the priveliged elite are gaining entry into positions of power and influence in both business and politics.

Yep the Etonian influence, still stands strong.

reply to post by mr-lizard


But again, that is a perception based on myth propogated by those who have an axe to grind.

If a student is able to go to Uni, there is no reason why they cannot based on their income or background. Now, if "poor" familes decide that they don't want their kids with "debt" (it's not quite the same as a credit card or bank loan, is it?) then that is a personal decision based on erroneous information.

If they really wanted their kids to succeed, have a good career and break the family "poorness" cycle, then they should be pushing their kids to go for it.

As I have already laid out, there is no finanical reason based on logic that anyone cannot go to Uni, it is merely perception.

reply to post by stumason


Absolutely, perception, observation et al.

But you must see, how some families will want to 'avoid' such debt, and on the other hand you may see that some families won't be bothered by such debt.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


My beloved Labour Party?

Oh how you have mis-read me.

I am no more pro-Labour than I am pro-Conservative, LibDem or even Monster Raving Loony Party.

The party political system has failed us miserably and is restrictive, unrepresentative and possibly even undemocratic!

Good luck on your next attempt at pigeon holing someone, I sincerely hope you are closer to the mark than you were this time!

reply to post by Freeborn


Fair do's, I can see why people won't want to get the "debt" and your side. I just feel this whole thing has been woefully misrepresented in the media and the Government has doen a piss poor job getting it's message out.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

As I have already laid out, there is no finanical reason based on logic that anyone cannot go to Uni, it is merely perception.

Yeah i remember when i finished 6th form six years ago. Choice was either Uni or work.

95% of my year went to uni, the ricest and the poorest.

Best choice i have ever made was not going. So many of them are unemployed now with useless degrees.

The real problem is tackling university entry in terms of academic ability. It should be a LOT harder to get in.

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People from poorer background will seriously not come out worse here. More bursaries will be introduced which means if the student is willing to save it up they can pay a sizeable chunk of their tuition fees off themselves for their 2nd, 3rd and 4th years. Also, according to the directgov website any universities charging over £6000 per year will have to offer tuiton fee bursaries to students from low income families. So with all that AND the introduction of scholarships, people from poor background will not be in much of a different position then they are in now.

It will be worse for students from middle class families though. They wont qualify for any of this extra help, and their parents will most likely not be able to cover the costs of tuition etc.

reply to post by Mike_A


Anything would be better than the liars we have in parliament right now. That is for sure. If I had the ambition to stand for election I would. But at least I would stick to what I wanted to be elected for. And would not change my mind, 5 minutes into parliament. Like some of thosepoliticians have done.

reply to post by Freeborn


Freeborn

Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I have assumed incorrectly....... I just got that impression after reading your posts.

Regards

PDUK

reply to post by Laurauk


In short you’re not going to do a damn thing except stand on the sidelines, moan about how bad a job someone else is doing while telling us all about how much better you could do.

No suggestions, no solutions and as you say yourself zero ambition to make things better; why do you deserve any better?

The people always get the government they deserve and they deserve the government they get.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


And thank you Sir for your most gracious reply.

No harm done at all,

reply to post by Mike_A


Indeed. Alot of problems are caused by apapthy, but then those same people who don't vote or try to change things are happy to moan about it after the fact.

reply to post by Mike_A


Is that not what your doing sitting on your backlside behind a pc, criticising me? Why dont you get off your backside and do something about it before critcizing others. And I do not have to explain myself to likes of you anyways so yanno step off.

reply to post by stumason


Well I am not one of those people that is for sure. If I have a point to get across I act on it. I do not sit on my laurels and hope everything will work out. No one knows in here what group of which group, I am invovled in in protests against the current government prosperity cuts. When I moan about it at least I act on that complaint.

One bad apple amongst the crowd tarnishes the rest. That is what has happenned with the politicians in this present parliament. And Someone criticises me for calling them a bunch of Liars! Oks bury your head up your backside while the rest off us see what exactly is going on.

reply to post by Laurauk

Why dont you get off your backside and do something about it before critcizing others.

Because I’m not the one calling all politicians liars, or telling everyone not to vote, I haven’t said I think the three main parties can’t be trusted; I haven’t said they should all resign, nor do I think us citizens should come out and “stick it to them”.

You are the one that wants a revolution, not me, and the fact is you are doing nothing to bring it about.

And if you're going to put your views out in public then expect them to be challenged.

reply to post by Mike_A


Wherein my comments did I state to everyone not to vote?

Please do show me that comments, for I have checked my comments and in no way have I stated as such.

Nobody should vote for either of them in the next General election. Now that would screw up the democratic so called system.

And if you are referring to this comment it was related to Labour, the Conservtives and the Liberals, I did not state that everyone should not vote for anyone else, so please get your facts correct.

nor do I think us citizens should come out and “stick it to them”.

And your criticizing me for supposingly not doing anything,

And why should citizens not,after all,both parties,who are sharing government, have backtracked on thier promises. Which In my opinion makes them liars. If there is violent protests, the present government has its own self to blame for promising the voters,onething,then changing thier stance once they are in office.

What makes you think I am not doing anything about it? You know nothing about me so keepyour comments and your opinions to yourself. Seems to me your the one with your head upyour backside.

I am open to criticism,but certainly not from someone who can sit behind a pc and criticise everyone else when he cannot show prove that he has done something about it. Until then, keep your mouth closed.