God never left us, we just forgot about Him.

The bible although rich in Wisdom, is also dangerous for the fact that it unintentionally teaches a person how to forget God. If the books of the bible were separate as they originally once were, and read freely with other inspired forms of writings, then a person is unbound in their thinking and are able to "freely" contemplate God, enabling them to wake up and be taught.

God is free to interact with this person in an environment that has no walls or restrictions to be blocked off with.

The bible unfortunately teaches God in a way that places walls, boundaries, guards and doors everywhere within the mind and causes God to become forgotten or dead. People are only learning about Him within set parameters.

Apart from the books of the bible, ancient or modern writings are not meant to be read as accurate fact or "the absolute truth" because they are mostly relating to God teaching Himself to an individual that only this individual will understand because it came from their own contemplative mind. However, the writings may be read as inspiration and creative thought to induce similar manifestations and thought provoking musings, allowing God to shine.

I have read many ancient writings pertaining to God etc over the years and I personally find them very interesting.

I love to read what these writers and the people of the time thought about God before they were taught about Him through a single book.

Only recently did I discover "The Corpus Hermeticum"

This was written by an author in Egypt sometime before the end of the third century C.E.

To quote John Michael Greer:

This literature came out of the same religious and philosophical ferment that produced Neoplatonism, Christianity, and the diverse collection of teachings usually lumped together under the label "Gnosticism"

The Corpus Hermeticum is a group of about fifteen tractates that may be read later at your choosing if you wish, but for this thread I was only interested in showing you my favorite, which is the first document titled Poemandres.

After reading "Poemandres, the Shepherd of Men" I was truly inspired by how mystical it was and how something so old can be read like something so new.

This I believe is God in His most raw form of teaching - The inner voice that speaks out from the silence when contemplating Him or His ways.

(Now the teachings of the Corpus Hermeticum writings are in my opinion not intended to be the "Be all and end all" of ultimate TRUTH etc or anything like that, but a simple experience of mysticism intended to be gnostic in nature and interpreted by the person or persons who wrote it as a point of reference for ongoing spiritual learning. (Just like most forms of Gnosticism were intended to be - personal insight.)

The relevance of the Poemandres writings in today's times is how God has not changed in His approach to like minded people who desire inner Wisdom.

Poemandres

1. It chanced once on a time my mind was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, the senses of my body being held back - just as men who are weighed down with sleep after a fill of food, or from fatigue of body.

Methought a Being more than vast, in size beyond all bounds, called out my name and saith: What wouldst thou hear and see, and what hast thou in mind to learn and know?

2. And I do say: Who art thou?

He saith: I am Man-Shepherd (Poemandres), Mind of all-masterhood; I know what thou desirest and I'm with thee everywhere.

3. [And] I reply: I long to learn the things that are, and comprehend their nature, and know God. This is, I said, what I desire to hear.

He answered back to me: Hold in thy mind all thou wouldst know, and I will teach thee.

To read this further please click the link below.

Poemandres, the Shepherd of Men

Enjoy folks!

reply to post by FoxfilesMulder

Thank you so much for sharing this, it was a pleasure to read.

The Poemandres, the Shepherd of Men, falls in line with the current mystic teachings, and stands as further evidence of one aspect of these teachings - that as long as humans have been on this Earth, there has always been at least one God-realized teacher/saint/mystic who has guided souls back to God.


I especially like this passage:

"....and man that hath Mind in him, let him learn to know that he himself is deathless, and that the cause of death is love, though Love is all."

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Thanks Mysticnoon

I find it quite amazing that throughout the history of civilization and to the present day, God has not changed in His influence over man. Of course, the teachings change depending on the person, the persons mind and the interpretation of what has been heard, but throughout all that, Gods initial influence and how He came to be in a persons life remains unchanged. That inner voice from the silence.

Its the only way, He is omnipresent and omnipotent to mention only two, how can we truly fathom Him as that? Its impossible to do so.

God can only teach man with what is already in their minds, building upon each understanding to form a basic knowledge.

I would have to say, my favorite part of Poemandres is:

That Light, He said, am I, thy God, Mind, prior to Moist Nature which appeared from Darkness; the Light-Word (Logos) [that appeared] from Mind is Son of God.

What then? - say I.

Know that what sees in thee and hears is the Lord's Word (Logos); but Mind is Father-God. Not separate are they the one from other; just in their union [rather] is it Life consists.

Thanks be to Thee, I said.

So, understand the Light [He answered], and make friends with it.

What sees and hears in thee. I think means what is seeing these words on the screen. We always seem to miss that, this is primary like father. Then mind, which is thought writes it all down and records it, which is fine, but it is secondary. God is every thing and no thing.
All that can be seen are things, even thoughts and feelings are things because they can be seen, experienced.
The thing that experiences the things is not a thing.
You are the no thing that experiences the everything.
The no thing and the everything do not ever appear separately. The come as one package. The holy union.
God is always here, but the mind goes looking elsewhere.

Originally posted by FoxfilesMulder

Apart from the books of the bible, ancient or modern writings are not meant to be read as accurate fact or "the absolute truth" because they are mostly relating to God teaching Himself to an individual that only this individual will understand because it came from their own contemplative mind. However, the writings may be read as inspiration and creative thought to induce similar manifestations and thought provoking musings, allowing God to shine.

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Some stories are an example of how we(followers of the word) should live our lives. But Gods teachings where for all.

2nd Peter 1:20-1:21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

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There are no books that speak the truth. All stories are just stories, history.
There is nothing to learn, only an unlearning is needed.
We think that if we know then we will be safe. Religion promises safety, but does it deliver? Find the right way, the right path and you will be saved. From what?
Heaven and Hell are not places, they are states of mind. Heaven is here right now. Hell is thinking there is something wrong and believing it.
Some religions love to tell you how wrong, things and you can be, that you will be punished or rewarded. How is that unconditional love?
Forget everything you have learned.
Just ask yourself ' Who am I? ' ' What am I? '.
The jewel is hidden inside.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by BreezeLike

 

There are no books that speak the truth. All stories are just stories, history.
There is nothing to learn, only an unlearning is needed.
We think that if we know then we will be safe. Religion promises safety, but does it deliver? Find the right way, the right path and you will be saved. From what?
Heaven and Hell are not places, they are states of mind. Heaven is here right now. Hell is thinking there is something wrong and believing it.
Some religions love to tell you how wrong, things and you can be, that you will be punished or rewarded. How is that unconditional love?
Forget everything you have learned.
Just ask yourself ' Who am I? ' ' What am I? '.
The jewel is hidden inside.

So how do you explain theomatics.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Or how about the new zodiac sign. The prophecy, notice the sign is a man with a crown hollding a serpent by the neck.

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Floodings all over the world. We are in the last days.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by BreezeLike

 

Find the right way, the right path and you will be saved. From what?

From death nowitsnotagain.

Originally posted by etherical waterwave

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by BreezeLike

 

Find the right way, the right path and you will be saved. From what?

Many Christians speak that Christianity is right and your religion is wrong. But that’s not what its’ about.
I believe no religion is wrong if you seek god and his holy spirit. As long as you believe in God and the holyspirit and live a life of peace and Love, You will be saved. For you are living as Jesus wanted you to.

Luke 12:10 “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blaspheme against the Holy ghost it shall not be forgiven”

Matthew 12:31 “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”

Many religions don’t have Jesus and God on the same level. The holy ghost , God and Jesus are one in the Christian faith. But Jesus says to us that disrespecting him can be forgiven. Wow

John 15:14-15:15 “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth; but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."

His word speaks of Love and peace. People spend there whole live trying to discredit Jesus rather than see what he was about. Save you from eternal death.

Re FoxfilesMulder

You wrote:

["Apart from the books of the bible, ancient or modern writings are not meant to be read as accurate fact or "the absolute truth" because they are mostly relating to God teaching Himself to an individual that only this individual will understand because it came from their own contemplative mind. However, the writings may be read as inspiration and creative thought to induce similar manifestations and thought provoking musings, allowing God to shine."]

And on exactly what criteria can you claim what's to be considered 'absolute truth' or not?

Personally I have a couple of very good rational reasons to exclude also the bible and the concept 'god' from the category 'truth', even disregarding such technicalities as how big or small this truth is considered to be.

(Except as an almost solipsistic manifestation inside a self-contained holy bubble, where it's 'true' as a psychological phenomenon without any further meaning).

You're talking about a personal 'faith'. Nothing more.

Originally posted by bogomil
Re FoxfilesMulder

You wrote:

["Apart from the books of the bible, ancient or modern writings are not meant to be read as accurate fact or "the absolute truth" because they are mostly relating to God teaching Himself to an individual that only this individual will understand because it came from their own contemplative mind. However, the writings may be read as inspiration and creative thought to induce similar manifestations and thought provoking musings, allowing God to shine."]

And on exactly what criteria can you claim what's to be considered 'absolute truth' or not?

Personally I have a couple of very good rational reasons to exclude also the bible and the concept 'god' from the category 'truth', even disregarding such technicalities as how big or small this truth is considered to be.

(Except as an almost solipsistic manifestation inside a self-contained holy bubble, where it's 'true' as a psychological phenomenon without any further meaning).

You're talking about a personal 'faith'. Nothing more.

2nd Peter 1:20-1:21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

Theomatics prooves God wrote the word through the prophets.
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

The Bible says approach non believers with the word. What reasons do you have to disregard the Bible. Those questions were put in your mind to block the truth. Have you read the bible? You should seek truth instead of seeking reasons to make what you say true.

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Forgive me but I call this crap. So your supposed to read scripture that was put forth in broken parts. Stupid really I only get the half meaning of the bible. Jew laws come and no Christ. Likewise Christ life but no beginning.

The true is life after is a big gamable. And where you spend it even more. The bible is the word of God all of it the was cannon at least. And the bible is best understood as a whole. And those laws and boudaries that your talking about either come from God if its in the bible (God's house is a house of prayer and worship) or from man. Like those who chose to kill in the name of God.

Again life after death is a big gamable.

O and this crap about the bible teaches to forget God maybe you should pick the book. The book plainy talks about God almost in every page.

Re BreezeLike

You Wrote

["2nd Peter 1:20-1:21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost"]

Circleargumentation. It's true, because it's true= Doctrinal FAITH.

In any case the world is, and has been, filled with 'holy men' and 'holy ghosts' who quibble with each other over who's the holiest. Just the christianities alone have 34.000 INTERPRETATIONS (each one ofcourse being the true one, to the exclusion of the others).

Quote: ["Theomatics prooves God wrote the word through the prophets."]

I don't know, what theomatics is, but will take a look at it later (I don't have PC technology for videos).


Quote: [The Bible says approach non believers with the word."]

Words can be many things from doctrinal nonsense in sermon form to a daily-usage tool or rational analysis of abstracts. Which kind are you talking about?

Quote: ["What reasons do you have to disregard the Bible."]

I can start with your question first. Anybody so singleminded as to place the 'burden of proof' on a sceptic, can't possibly have any idea of what's outside the holy bubble, and that reflects on the quality of the bible. Then we have the myriad of methods to approach the bible: Literalism, symbolism, cherry-picking, the' totality'. And it's realtionship to contemporary knowledge. Anyone believing we're living in a geocentric universe 6.000 years old is in my opinion not only uninformed, but actually a monomaniac insisting on staying locked up in delusions. And then we have the selfcontradictions on a smaller and greater scale, the scholastic to fill out the selfcontradictions. And let's not forget the fascistic basis of elitistic evangelist christianity, originating from OT's bloodthirsty schizoid 'god' and NT's missionary obsesssion as practised by the monopoly seeking christians.

Quote: ["Those questions were put in your mind to block the truth."]

Are you psychic? How can you know, what's "put in my mind"? And what 'truth'? Your self-appointed one, which I consider one of the greatest lies of all times.

Is it your fantasy for scaring small children, Satan, which is spooking now?

Quote: ["Have you read the bible?"]

Yes.

Quote: [You should seek truth]

Stop that condescending nonsense. How do you know, if I'm seeking truth or not already. Maybe I'm much 'wiser' than you.

Quote: [....instead of seeking reasons to make what you say true."]

I'm very familiar with systematic methodologies, used for seeking truth. And amongst them the christian version is one of the most useless ones, as it does exactly what you're saying: Starting with the answer and then after-rationalizing suitable 'facts'. As opposite to e.g. logic and science, which start with facts leading to conclusions.

Present something reasonable, with common sense, some logic and pragmatic possibilities of testing, and I'll listen.

Originally posted by slymattb
reply to post by FoxfilesMulder

 

Forgive me but I call this crap. So your supposed to read scripture that was put forth in broken parts. Stupid really I only get the half meaning of the bible. Jew laws come and no Christ. Likewise Christ life but no beginning.

The true is life after is a big gamable. And where you spend it even more. The bible is the word of God all of it the was cannon at least. And the bible is best understood as a whole. And those laws and boudaries that your talking about either come from God if its in the bible (God's house is a house of prayer and worship) or from man. Like those who chose to kill in the name of God.

Again life after death is a big gamable.

O and this crap about the bible teaches to forget God maybe you should pick the book. The book plainy talks about God almost in every page.

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scripture is not put forth in broken parts, unless you danced around the bible like i did in the begining. Its a smooth teaching on mans inability with sin in their life to succeed in any aspect of life. why you have sin and how you will be helped to overcome sin. But only if you want to start the journey. otherwise back to were you came, death

Originally posted by bogomil
Re BreezeLike

You wrote
"In any case the world is, and has been, filled with 'holy men' and 'holy ghosts' who quibble with each other over who's the holiest. Just the christianities alone have 34.000 INTERPRETATIONS (each one ofcourse being the true one, to the exclusion of the others)."

The holyghost is the presence of the lord and a holy men follows the word(bible).

Many Christians speak that Christianity is right and your religion is wrong. But that’s not what its’ about.

Luke 12:10 “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blaspheme against the Holy ghost it shall not be forgiven”

Matthew 12:31 “Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”

Many religions don’t have Jesus and God on the same level. The holy ghost , God and Jesus are one in the Christian faith. But Jesus says to us that disrespecting him can be forgiven. Wow

John 15:14-15:15 “Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth; but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.”

You wrote
I don't know, what theomatics is, but will take a look at it later (I don't have PC technology for videos).


www.theomatics.com...
www.theomatics.com...
www.theomatics.com...
www.theomatics.com...

These are the odds that Theomatics is just a coincidence 31,608,834,590,000,000,000,000,000 to 1
Hitting the lottery 18,000,000,000 to 1

This is the scientific proof that many people need so here it is.


You wrote
"Words can be many things from doctrinal nonsense in sermon form to a daily-usage tool or rational analysis of abstracts. Which kind are you talking about? "

The Bible my friend

You wrote
"I can start with your question first. Anybody so singleminded as to place the 'burden of proof' on a sceptic, can't possibly have any idea of what's outside the holy bubble, and that reflects on the quality of the bible. Then we have the myriad of methods to approach the bible: Literalism, symbolism, cherry-picking, the' totality'."

Are you speaking of science and religion here? People put there faith in the same science who cant tell us what the human mind is capable of (for example telekinesis). We dont even know whats at the depths of the ocean. We know nothing, but they know how the world got started... right. Why would people be so quick to accept this and not religion? It may have something to do with removing the burden of religion, as far as the consequences for not living your life right. For religion, I can tell you that I believe that the Qur'an is very similiar to the old testament.

You wrote
" And it's realtionship to contemporary knowledge. Anyone believing we're living in a geocentric universe 6.000 years old is in my opinion not only uninformed, but actually a monomaniac insisting on staying locked up in delusions. And then we have the selfcontradictions on a smaller and greater scale, the scholastic to fill out the selfcontradictions."

Who said anything about believing in a geocentric universe or the universe being 6,000 years old? The bible says neither of these things.

You wrote
" And let's not forget the fascistic basis of elitistic evangelist christianity, originating from OT's bloodthirsty schizoid 'god' and NT's missionary obsesssion as practised by the monopoly seeking christians."

Christians live by the NT.
The bible says you cant serve two masters, but judgement on wheather there serving money or the Lord is not up to me.

Would this not be you cherrypicking my friend? You know in order to do missionary work you need money. As far as we know there blessed.

You wrote
"Are you psychic? How can you know, what's "put in my mind"? And what 'truth'? Your self-appointed one, which I consider one of the greatest lies of all times."

The elite’s (illuminati, freemasons, ext.) goal is to persuade the masses, so wouldn’t their main attack be on education. I say that because without knowledge we are lost as humans. Therefore their goal would be to set up some scam of system to ultimately lead you nowhere. I say this because what better way to block off peoples mind than remove religion out of school and give them something else to worship MONEY. Removing the aspect of god out one’s life is like putting a lid on them. You ultimately close the door to a higher being, but yet you pump the big bang theory into their minds. Thus planting the seed that they (American scientist) have all the answers and slowly making a gap between you and god, not to mention you attend school 5 days a week and church on Sundays. The persuasion has begun.

Now you begin to enter that fight in your mind.( is god real or not) They have you right where they want you(the elite), because you being a young child are trying to process information you don’t have nor understand. So you began to seek knowledge from people you deem smart, which tends to be your parents. Who are also products of the same education system. I mean lets’ face it many parents can’t answer basic questions about the bible and you probably seen some Christian people doing some non- Christian things. (In which the bible states on many occasions that the spirit and the flesh are always at war. Meaning the battle lies within us. Hints one of the cornerstones for the Christian religion is not judge.)At this time naturally a kid begins to lose interest in god.

You wrote
"Is it your fantasy for scaring small children, Satan, which is spooking now?"

Really?

Quote: ["Have you read the bible?"]

You wrote
Yes

You never really look into something if your mind is made up before you even look.

Quote: [You should seek truth]
You wrote
"Stop that condescending nonsense. How do you know, if I'm seeking truth or not already."

Meaning you would rather debate something on such a large scale, rather than search for the answers. You looked or read the bible for reasons that support what you think.

You wrote
"Maybe I'm much 'wiser' than you."

This is Irrelevent you missed the point.


Quote: [....instead of seeking reasons to make what you say true."]
You wrote
"I'm very familiar with systematic methodologies, used for seeking truth. And amongst them the christian version is one of the most useless ones, as it does exactly what you're saying: Starting with the answer and then after-rationalizing suitable 'facts'. As opposite to e.g. logic and science, which start with facts leading to conclusions."

What approaching a topic with an open mind. I said seek truth, not that what I believe is true. Meaning you read the word for the simple fact of debating it. Can you not see how this is a bad habit for many? Religion is not the opposite of science. Where as god created everything, god is everything, god is science.

You wrote
["Present something reasonable, with common sense, some logic and pragmatic possibilities of testing, and I'll listen."]

Common sense is a preception of one's mind. This proves my statement earlier that you would rather debate something than read into it yourself. But debating wheather or not some sentences are 100% accurate and we both know the word(bible) was translated from ancient Hebrew text and Greek text is wrong. Jesus message was clear love everyone, be forgiving and spread peace.

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"Be still and know that I am God."

Re BreezeLike:

Quote from your link to Theomatics. com

["The existence of God must be accepted by faith alone. The best that theomatics can tell us is that the mind of man could not have orchestrated and written the Bible. That being true, the only possible conclusion is that "God" must indeed exist. What other possibility is there?"]

EXACTLY: "The existence of God must be accepted by faith alone".

"And the best theomatics can tell us is that the mind of man.....etc" and "the only conclusion....etc"

WHAT only conclusion?? Only 'god' can count?? Maybe your alleged 'Satan' did it. Or maybe some non-human species. And eventually it's all based on 'faith', which is no news to me.

On this extremely thin piece of 'evidence', you continue in true evangelist style to circle-argument (as you mistakenly believe, that your base is 'proved'), except where you stray into bad semantics as here:

Quote: ["People put there faith in the same science who cant tell us what the human mind is capable of (for example telekinesis)."]

You seem to be completely unaware of how to use the word 'faith', which you indiscriminately throw around you in ignorance of its possible use. Through the so beloved method by preachers you confuse an inductive categorization with deductive reasoning.

Translated to normalese this means, that you belive, that because things look similar, they are identical. If you pretend to understand even the smallest bit if science/logic, you can give up that idea now. This is nonsense from a scientific/logical perspective.

Quote: ["We dont even know whats at the depths of the ocean. We know nothing, but they (science, my insert) know how the world got started."]

You don't disappoint me as a preacher. Resorting to the 'knowledge-vacuum argument'. Science doesn't know everything, so we can conveniently fill out the gaps with our postulates.

Quote: ["Who said anything about believing in a geocentric universe....."]

Genesis 1. Read the bible.

Quote: [" Christians live by the NT."]

And where would NT redemption doctrine be without the 'original sin' doctrine based on OT.

Quote: ["The elite’s (illuminati, freemasons, ext.) goal is to persuade the masses, so wouldn’t their main attack be on education."]

And based on your theist conspiracy theories, education is ....what? A satanic plot?

Or are your suggesting elitist privileges of re-introducing religionist propaganda in the schools of secular society. This is basically a fascist proposition. (If you need a crash course in political ideology, I'm at your service).

Quote: ["Now you begin to enter that fight in your mind.( is god real or not)"]

Your megalomaniac claims of knowing what goes on in peoples' minds don't give you credibility, except to those sharing your holy bubble.

Quote: [" You looked or read the bible for reasons that support what you think."]

CONSIDERABLY less biased, than I suspect what you are. But even if this is just my guess, how can you know anything of my motives. Maybe I started reading the bible and after that arrived at the conclusion, that it's pure bosh? Do your 'omniscient clairvoyance' stunt again. I like it.

Quote: ["Religion is not the opposite of science."]

What would YOU know about that, with your fringe pseudo-logic.

Quote: ["But debating wheather or not some sentences are 100% accurate and we both know the word(bible) was translated from ancient Hebrew text and Greek text is wrong. Jesus message was clear love everyone, be forgiving and spread peace."]

In two thousand years from now, a Batman comics can be translated accurately. Does that mean Batman is 'real'?


Back to sunday school and get the updated version of 'christian argumentation'. The one you're using is decades out of use.

Originally posted by bogomil
Re BreezeLike:

Quote from your link to Theomatics. com

["The existence of God must be accepted by faith alone. The best that theomatics can tell us is that the mind of man could not have orchestrated and written the Bible. That being true, the only possible conclusion is that "God" must indeed exist. What other possibility is there?"]


[EXACTLY: "The existence of God must be accepted by faith alone".]

Yes but this is proof of his works.


[WHAT only conclusion?? Only 'god' can count?? Maybe your alleged 'Satan' did it. Or maybe some non-human species. And eventually it's all based on 'faith', which is no news to me.]

Satan really? You choose to disregard something that is shirley amazing?

[On this extremely thin piece of 'evidence', you continue in true evangelist style to circle-argument (as you mistakenly believe, that your base is 'proved'), except where you stray into bad semantics as here:]

Theomatics is not a thin piece of evidence.


[You seem to be completely unaware of how to use the word 'faith', which you indiscriminately throw around you in ignorance of its possible use. Through the so beloved method by preachers you confuse an inductive categorization with deductive reasoning. ]

Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing. People have faith in the big bang theory.

[Translated to normalese this means, that you belive, that because things look similar, they are identical. If you pretend to understand even the smallest bit if science/logic, you can give up that idea now. This is nonsense from a scientific/logical perspective.]

Since when does similiar mean identical. Did I say this, I believe not. Scientific/logic perspective who's? yours?

[You don't disappoint me as a preacher. Resorting to the 'knowledge-vacuum argument'. Science doesn't know everything, so we can conveniently fill out the gaps with our postulates.]

Deflecting yet again, is what I say not true.Science barely knows anything but people are nieve to believe everything they say.

Quote: ["Who said anything about believing in a geocentric universe....."]

[Genesis 1. Read the bible.]

Bible says in the beginning god created the heavan and the earth. Not that he created earth and then everything else


[And where would NT redemption doctrine be without the 'original sin' doctrine based on OT.]

Original sin doctrine explain


[And based on your theist conspiracy theories, education is ....what? A satanic plot? ]

I can make many cases that prove our goverment is corrupt, if you cant see whats goin on you're asleep.

[Or are your suggesting elitist privileges of re-introducing religionist propaganda in the schools of secular society. This is basically a fascist proposition. (If you need a crash course in political ideology, I'm at your service).]

I stated my case and explain how taking religion out of school can close a mind off. If you disagree, you disagree


[CONSIDERABLY less biased, than I suspect what you are. But even if this is just my guess, how can you know anything of my motives. Maybe I started reading the bible and after that arrived at the conclusion, that it's pure bosh? Do your 'omniscient clairvoyance' stunt again. I like it.]

Or maybe you made your mind up before you read or googled the bible.

Quote: ["Religion is not the opposite of science."]

[What would YOU know about that, with your fringe pseudo-logic.]

As I said God is science.

[In two thousand years from now, a Batman comics can be translated accurately. Does that mean Batman is 'real'?]

Comparing Jesus to batmant? But you want us to believe that you read the bible with an open mind.


Or how about the new zodiac sign. The prophecy, notice the sign is a man with a crown hollding a serpent by the neck.
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Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Floodings all over the world. Prophecy

What do you think of this my friend

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Floodings all over the world. Prophecy What do you think of this my friend

What I think about this is that history repeats itself, there is nothing new under the sun.

If prophecies only use the things of nature that repeat themselves...then is that really astonishing that we see these things happen over and over and are then bound to happen again.

I see nothing going on that has not happened before. Can we go back in time and consider that every time nature seemed to uproar a bit that the world was ending?

I see nothing in the prophecies of the bible, that a normal man could of not predicted.

While people wait for something to come...they would be better off to live for today.

So many wait to have salvation for self....when there is little concern for the Spirit that fills all things.

What glory is there...is glory is only for the self? What life is worth living...if its not lived more for others?

What does it mean to you that Jesus said to pick up YOUR OWN cross and that the kingdom was within you?

There is no free ride...we all must walk the path.

Each book should be read separately for the time it was written and for the people that wrote it. It shows a evolving from former beliefs and a merging into a new belief with old ideas still being used. Its a great history of man evolving and alot of the OT is full of attributes like pride and greed which I would not teach to my children that this was a path led by a Holy anything.

People accept so easily...but if they would just go to Thee with a open heart...they would know that God understands all things we know not and is not wrathful nor jealous...nor wants worship. God awaits for us to allow the divine nature within us to emanate through us. Only by will, can this be. Which is why, we are giving 'free will'. If we are not seeking a way for God to work through us...we are simply not ready to do so and there is understanding of why ways of the flesh cause us to not be ready.

Forgive them, for what they do not know.

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You wrote referring to the theomatic code:

["Yes but this is proof of his works."]

How? Bible-code = 'god'? Explain.

Quote: ["Theomatics is not a thin piece of evidence."]

Until it's explained how it evidences anything except the code itself, it's worthless.

Quote: ["People have faith in the big bang theory."]

You still don't know what 'faith' is, do you? No-one has 'faith' in the big bang theory, especially not as it's not definitely proven. It's a workable theory, with a high probability of being correct.

Quote: ["Since when does similiar mean identical. Did I say this, I believe not. Scientific/logic perspective who's? yours?"]

Yes, you said that, but you're probably not even aware of it. Your knowledge of even basic logic seems very small.

The perspective of science/logic is not subjective, thus not 'mine'. It's an autonom system, defined by rigid parameters, and can be used independently by everyone following its procedures. I have a rather solid eduction based on the formal definiton of science, and am familiar with it. If you want to present your own science, you're welcome, but then state its defintion, parameters etc and demonstrate its results, if you want to introduce it as evidence for anything.

Quote: ["Science barely knows anything but people are nieve to believe everything they say."]

Science doesn't postulate to know everything, but has sofar produced a lot of real knowledge, which is testable. Most people are using a lot of technical appliances constantly. Are these appliances PRAYED into existence or based on science? What's naive in believing something, which obviously functions?

Quote: ["Bible says in the beginning god created the heavan and the earth. Not that he created earth and then everything else"]

Do you know, what 'geocentric' actually means? Or do you understand genesis 1 at all? E.g. that the sun was created at day three, does that mean anything to you?

Quote: ["Original sin doctrine explain"]

Genesis 2.

Quote: [" I can make many cases that prove our goverment is corrupt, if you cant see whats goin on you're asleep."]

What has that to do with removing religion from school in secular society? The two things are completely unrelated. Don't you know the difference between government and constitution?

Quote. ["Or maybe you made your mind up before you read or googled the bible."]

Or maybe I didn't. Meaningless statement.

Quote: ["As I said God is science."]

Not what usually is called science. This is your private version.

Quote: ["Comparing Jesus to batmant? But you want us to believe that you read the bible with an open mind."]

I am not and have not 'compared Jesus to Batman'. I have compared the methodologies used in establishing validity of claims.

Quote concerning signs and wonders: ["What do you think of this my friend"]

I think you need to get yourself some basic, decent education.