"UFO Over Temple Mount in Jerusalem" [discussion and analysis of multiple videos HERE]

Originally posted by FlySolo

Great, I'm glad we're on the same page.

As am I. Cyber hug!

I respect a lot of skeptics here. True skeptics. But some debunkers go a little too far and shouldn't be considered of the same class.

We disigre there. I personally think that believer and skeptic alike can both be wrong, and both types have individuals who jump to conclusions way too often. What matters most is intent. And if beleiver or skeptic really just has honest intent, then I can forgive them of being wrong any time.

BTW, were the hell is Phage? 3-months no show is a record

I also greatly miss Phage and hope wherever he is that he knows he is missed and respected by many of us here.

I can only hope that the countless people who attacked his logic and talents didn't have something to do with his recent vacation. It is reasons like that - that I insist on crediting skeptics for their hard work.

It can't be easy giving your time freely to help others find truth, only to be slapped time and time again by space-reptile worshipers and folks who rather things went "unscrutinized".

Phage, if you read this "you sir are a hero!"

Ok...back to UFOs.

MM

reply to post by Dramier


I think that if someone can time it down to the millisecond all three videos at the point where the object is stationary it could be a very interesting find.

Side by side comparison of UFO's - Dome of the rock.
I was curious to see if these two objects arrived and ascend at the same time.
The second orb leaves 30 frames before first one.No flash on the second video not even a reflection of the orb on anything.
These events cannot be related in terms of this being a single event shot from two different party's.

nice work on the video
but i wounder how close the sync is
and i wounder if the "flash"
is conceled by the ambient light from the dome lights?

xploder

reply to post by csimon


Nothing to see here, move along... So what? A video showing a spotlight drop down over "some holy site"... Come on.. The way the spotlight is perfectly over top and center of some building that projects over top of everything else... This is a human trick [we make movies, we can do special effects on our personal Computers], and you know why this is a human trick? Only a human would make this object appear in such a showy spectacular fashion, because only from a human perspective do you get that "I'm so important, that I must witness an Alien U.F.O. and it's doing all of this just for me...

Aliens would not care about this slimy little planet with it's self-righteous, pompous human creatures. Only a human with our superior attitude about our importance in the Universe would claim to have captured a U.F.O. on video, the same as when people think that a "GOD" talks directly to them...

We are such a vain species, Aliens would probably blow up this planet or unleash a germ that we can't cure to remove us if something more powerful stumbled upon us...

It is SOOOO ignorant to think that out of all the possibilities in the Universe, some other ALIEN SPECIES would come to Earth and CARE about HUMANS...

WE don't even care about each other! We kill each other over things we attribute value and fight for wealth... More than likely there are other Races of Extraterrestrial Sentient beings that probably have the same traits.

If i ever see the day when something from some other world bites off the irritating hand that some human sticks in it's face, i'll be laughing my a$$ off.

dam im hungry for more angles
on another note
i found there are alot of tour packages that offer veiws of the same location from the same angle
couldnt find one late tour though
but sounds fesable
imho

reply to post by flyingfish


Good job. My question is this: Can you please do this to the second video (the guy filming it in front of the original)? Reason: I can not determine the distance of the object in the original - I can not see when the object becomes stationary, so there could be a discrepancy of 20-30 frames.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse here - but from what I can see from your video - if I was doing this and forwarded 30 frames to make it synch up no one would be able to tell the difference... but the second video shows the object in better detail then the first.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Mr Mask
reply to post by Stikiiki

 

The tree and the wall both move independently of the background.

That is enough for me to believe this has been proven a hoax.

Unless...of course...anyone can provide a reasonable explanation why this happens?




MM

Dramier already has multiple times..
but just choose which posts to read and which to not read, of course.


You say multiple times "100% a hoax", "Totally debunked".. etc
and then say..

"Unless of course.............."



Typical.


psst..
got a little somethin' on your nose there....
and it's not the mask...

Please don't feed the trolls people *ahhhemm - Brainiac*, lets remain on topic about this matter... let them pass through!

Thanks!

reply to post by Brainiac


Mr. Mask, my case in point. If this guy here managed to get his hands on some debunking tools I fear he would add to the UFO phenomenon repression.

reply to post by XPLodER


You can give or take a frame or even two but thirty.
It's just to much of a discrepancy.
I slowed it down enough in the beginning so that you can see them both stop at the same frame rate.
There are edited frame shots for text but both videos are still in the same time line.

reply to post by kroms33


I hear what your saying I could do this but I would be up the rest of the night
This is the reason I slowed it down a bit.
All I can give you now is my word in the editing process. I could clearly see the exact frame both objects stopped moving and placed them"both" on the same time line.

reply to post by Ahmose


The video is 100% debunked. Nobody can or will ever explain the angle of the horizon and wall moving independently.

I made a demonstration video:



Notice the angle of the wall base and the angle of the table never changes independently, they are always locked together. This is because of the laws of perspective.

If you watch this video again, you can see the angle of the bottom line is changing constantly, independent of the top line. That is not possible if the wall is on the same ground as the horizon.

reply to post by flyingfish


can you make another with the frame diference sync to zero
i dont make vids
i dont think your frame is matched up properly (i cant do it all so......)
there is a glitch in both vids as it decends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just before it starts to slow to a stop.
try to sync it at that point (the glitch is visable from both camers)
xploder

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


nice work with the video
that gives a good visual representation to the perspective problem in the videos

I'm reserving my opinions about the third video. It could easily be a copycat hoaxing attempt to match the first two. Too early to say I think.

The other two videos are very convincing. This is the first time I've seen video of a sighting that I didn't find it plausible to be faked. I didn't see any point that "debunked" the video that I felt couldn't be explained by video compression or recorder quality. At first I thought that the foreground/background movement discrepancy was impossible to ignore, but since that's the only major problem I've found and others have not been successful in duplicating the issue, I'm more likely to believe that its due to perspective or video quality. That is because I have additional supporting evidence to trust its authenticity.

The only other concern I have is the lack of media coverage. Has anyone found any media reports from Jerusalem about this?

The red lights in the sky and the lights captured in Utah, with cycling lights that moved independent of each other, both bear a remarkable resemblance to the lights I witnessed a few years ago. I didn't see anything drop but I watched a group of orange-red lights flash like that off and on for several minutes as they traversed the sky from West to South-East.

Seeing someone else video the same lights tells me that it continues to happen, I just wish I knew what it was.

If this is faked, then they are recreating actual sightings (the lights in the sky anyway) possibly from stories they've heard. At this point I have to believe that it is more likely a genuine sighting than someone going through the effort to hoax this.

why would someone go to the lenghts to perpertrate a hoax of this size?
and why now?
does any one remember the image program on a thread here of a camera feed that provided live 3d insert
into the captured images?
cant find the utube atm
it allowed for a network of cameras to have a "3d" live image implanted into the frame


xploder

reply to post by csimon


whoa! that is a word understood by anyone, and thats all i can say about this one.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Ahmose

 

The video is 100% debunked. Nobody can or will ever explain the angle of the horizon and wall moving independently.

I made a demonstration video:

Notice the angle of the wall base and the angle of the table never changes independently, they are always locked together. This is because of the laws of perspective.

If you watch this video again, you can see the angle of the bottom line is changing constantly, independent of the top line. That is not possible if the wall is on the same ground as the horizon.

edit on 31-1-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

If you can demonstrate this with the original video without stabilization, I would say that debunks the video concretely. The only reason I ask is because I want to be sure the perspective error is not a product of the stabilization itself.

Yes I know, I'm supposed to be sleeping. Maybe once this calculus homework is done, sigh.

Great work, I think we are very close to being able to chalk this one up.

Originally posted by XPLodER
why would someone go to the lenghts to perpertrate a hoax of this size?
and why now?
does any one remember the image program on a thread here of a camera feed that provided live 3d insert
into the captured images?
cant find the utube atm
it allowed for a network of cameras to have a "3d" live image implanted into the frame


xploder

I don't like to speculate on this kind of thing, the psychology of it, but let me present one example:

If the first two videos go viral, they will easily garner millions of views. A third copycat hoax that went undetected could bandwagon that success and also score several million views. Couple that with Google AdSense and you have a nice little check coming in the mail. Basically it boils down to if you can make a video go viral, you can make money off it. Furthermore, you can establish yourself as a "credible" UFO source and open the door to more millions of views videos and more money. Somebody could be just trying to make a buck.

That's one possibility. I won't touch the tinfoil hat ones.. lol.