And now Jordan

Hard to know what way it will all go, in some it may herald freedom, it could usher in even worse Islamic extremist dictators, or some of the present leaders could get fearful and use a powerful military crackdown on their countries to deter protesters.

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Egypt has a terrible human rights record and I strongly doubt another Govt in Egypt would do likewise or worse. The Egyptians want to improve themselves and their nation, not go backward.

How coincidental that both Egypt and Jordan - supposed "friends" of Israel, with citizens that are vociferously anti-semitic, and anti-zionist, will change this unpopular forgeign policy of cooperation with Israel, at a time where already Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey have formed a military partnership against Israel. Now we can add Israels historical antagonists, Egypt, and Jordan to the arab coalition of magog.

With Egypt leading the way, as usual, and the 80 million or so Jew haters in this most anti-semitic country will undoubtedly garbage the 1979 peace treaty, allowing Egypt to renew its greatest interest: to destroy Israel. . Even during the supposed era of 'peace', Egypts army still trained its soldiers to look at Israel as their main enemy. Implying that they intended for this time to come. Where Mubarak would fall, and a heavily rejuvenated, Jew hating military waiting for its time to act.

This sounds biblical in its proportions.

I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem - zecharia 14:2

Originally posted by dontreally
How coincidental that both Egypt and Jordan - supposed "friends" of Israel, with citizens that are vociferously anti-semitic, and anti-zionist, will change this unpopular forgeign policy of cooperation with Israel, at a time where already Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey have formed a military partnership against Israel. Now we can add Israels historical antagonists, Egypt, and Jordan to the arab coalition of magog.

Welcome to the world of politics. Friends today, enemies tomorrow, friends the next day. They'll still be willing to cooperate with Israel; they just might want to return to the table to discuss new terms for that cooperation. Contrary to what you may pick up from the media, the people in Arab countries aren't all frothing walleyed nimrods. Rage Boy is something of an exception, rather than the standard.

Turkey was Israel's ally... until Israel killed nine Turks and then said "suck our nuts, Ankara, neener neener neener, your mom screws camels!" Syria is probably the most rational country in the area; if Israel were to give back the Golan Heights, Syria would probably shake hands no problem. Lebanon doesn't have a government, so I don't think it can be counted for much. And Iran? Well, Israel is very vocal about trying to get the US to bomb the hell out of Iran, so I think the antipathy there is understandable.

With Egypt leading the way, as usual, and the 80 million or so Jew haters in this most anti-semitic country will undoubtedly garbage the 1979 peace treaty, allowing Egypt to renew its greatest interest: to destroy Israel.

I'm pretty sure that at this point, the only people who still beat off to the tune of "destroy Israel" are the Israelis. Every other government out there realizes that now, 60 years later, Israel's not going to go anywhere. And it has nothing to do with "hating Jews," any more than Israeli policy has to do with "hating Arabs."

Even during the supposed era of 'peace', Egypts army still trained its soldiers to look at Israel as their main enemy.

Considering that Israel is the only country Egypt has fought major wars with, and two of those wars were started by Israel, one can hardly blame them. Israel has a proven track record of being Egypt's enemy. A peace treaty is well and good, but let's be logical; are the Egyptians going to prepare themselves in case Paraguay decides to attack? Of course not.

Implying that they intended for this time to come.

Well, yeah. The Egyptians have been trying to oust the Mubarak regime for about twenty years now. That you just noticed it doesn't actually make it sudden or surprising.

Where Mubarak would fall, and a heavily rejuvenated, Jew hating military waiting for its time to act.

Considering Egypt's track record against Israel (two losses, one stalemate) I doubt there's any eagerness to give it a fourth try. At least, not as the aggressor.

This sounds biblical in its proportions.

Well, you have a proven record of being bad at Bible

I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem - zecharia 14:2

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Which takes on a new light when you consider that the descendants of the Biblical Israelites are the ones that are under siege in Jerusalem by a foreign power backed by most nations in the world, doesn't it?

Looks like the orcestrated "Perfect Storm" is brewing to sweep the world bare.

btw the Estonian foreign ministry has already issued a strong warning not to trave to Jordan.


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Out of hand meaning will they go out to the street in millions and actually try to take the government down, or is this just some token protest that's going to be forgotten in a few weeks?

They probably have the same reasons as the Egyptians have for protesting- Lack of jobs, lack of food, etc.

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Well then yeah, I expect some degree of out-of-handedness. Still probably not to Egypt's degree (one, smaller population, two, government not as hated). And yeah, Jordanians aren't exactly "well off" on average. better than someone in the Gaza Strip or southern Iraq, but that's not saying much at all.

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Couldn't find any information on the average income of Jordanians..

But I'm assuming they're not that far off from the Egyptians. Gazaens are probably better off than the Egyptians, and the people in the West Bank are probably better off than Jordanians as well, on average.

Originally posted by Eliad
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Couldn't find any information on the average income of Jordanians..

Finding information about average income ANYWHERE is hard as hell. The GDP per capita in Jordan is US$3,421, though only 2% of the population lives on under US$1.25 a day (the world standard for "below poverty level")

But I'm assuming they're not that far off from the Egyptians. Gazaens are probably better off than the Egyptians, and the people in the West Bank are probably better off than Jordanians as well, on average.

It's impossible to find current stats for just Gaza or the West bank now; they're counted together by all organizations that do the counting, and there's no indication whether or not the colonies in the West Bank count or not (I'm going to assume no). They do come out ahead of Egypt, but things get really tricky when you compare small countries to large ones. For instance, Qatar has a GDPpc of US$93,204; People in the US have a GDPpc of only US$45,989. The Palestinian territories have only 4% of Egypt's population, so the GDP has a far smaller split to measure per capita. One wealthy dude could add tens of dollars to the Palestinian GDPpc, and a few hundredths of a cent to Egypt's.

FYI...Jordan's king dismisses government, appoints new PM

Italy must be next!!! Berlusconi is on of the most corrupted president Europe ever saw. C'mon Italians, stand up!

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Sadly, this is just a token move..

Us mugs here in the UK pay probably the highest taxes in the World!

We're ripped off for food, petrol and housing.

Millions are paid every day to Brussels so we can be in the EU, immigrants get more benefits than English people and pensioners, the national health service is the pits and very high un-employment.

Trouble is, nobody here in the UK has got the balls to do anything about it.

We saw a few teenagers protesting in London recently about University fees going up but most of them were too old for it to affect them, I guess they just wanted to cause trouble.

So I really can't see anything changing here in the UK but I would welcome huge / mass protests on the streets if it was going to make any difference.

If it changes things, then it's all worth it.

But otherwise, it's a bit pointless standing in the street shouting and waving banners if all the Government is going to do is say "haha, look at those idiots!"

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That's probably true. A move in the right direction or a move according to some wider-reaching "plan." Whose choice was this really?

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and two of those wars were started by Israel

I can only count one war which Israel started.

• First war in '48. Egypt and other arab countries attacked Israel after they declared themselves a state.
  
• Second war in '56, which WAS started by Israel, but obviously not a war fought in their interest. It was the British who used Israel as a proxy so they could gain control of Suez. The blame should fall on the british and french here.
  
• 3rd war, the 6 day war, intitiated again by Egypt. Nasser had threatened to "throw the Jews into the sea". There were 78 Israeli border incidents before the war. Egypt had also blocked the strait of Tiran and concentrated troops at the Egyptian Israeli border. This shows that Israel merely responded to what Egypt had been saying, and doing. Blocking off the strait was more than enough justification to attack Egypt. That is economic warfare. Stockpiling your troops at your border, and issuing threats to throw the Jews into the sea is a further indication of whats to come/. How can any reasonable person not see that Israel reacted with a complete moral justification. Which is why they miraculously crushed their enemies, who GREATLY outnumbered them.
  
  
• 4th war, war of attrition, initiated by Egypt
  
• 5th war....started by egypt. Suprise attack on the Jewish day of repentance. Very classy of them.
  
  
  

  
  
  are the Egyptians going to prepare themselves in case Paraguay decides to attack?
  

  
  
  I dont think Egypt has to worry about an Israel attack, since they started four of the 5 wars they fought with Israel. Additionally, and most poignantly, Israel is surrounded by belligerant muslim countries. I do not think they are looking for a fight. Egypt has no reason to be concerned about Israel. There are 80 million egyptians, and 7.5 million Israelis, 6 million of whom are loyal to Israel. Another 1.5 million Arabs who despise Israel and want to see it destroyed. Egypt, is the enemy, and the villain in this relationship. The PLO was their creation (through the muslim brotherhood). Egypt, as typified in the bible, is the perennial enemy of the Jews. Its only natural that this be the case, and that they along with the palestinians necessarily will lose.
  
  
  

  
  
  Well, you have a proven record of being bad at Bible
  

  
  
  
  Is this what Buddhism teaches? antogonism? You know full well that i know much more about the bible - i read both Hebrew and Aramaic - than you do.
  
  I may know significantly less about bhuddism than you do, and thats ok with me. I wouldnt pretend for the sake of irritating someone else. Judaism teaches man to be above those petty egotistical games
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Which takes on a new light when you consider that the descendants of the Biblical Israelites are the ones that are under siege in Jerusalem by a foreign power backed by most nations in the world, doesn't it?
  

  
  
  Huh? You should reread over your posts. The significant loss of 'ent, can render an entire statement incoherent. If you werent accusing todays Jews of not being the biblical israelites (this is a common argument), than i dont know what the hell you are talking about.
  
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Eliminate the elite. Their whole bloodline needs to go.

The Movement will surround Saudi Arabia in a ring of fire.I bet the Saudi royal family are worried as are the Kuwaiti Royals.It will be an interesting year.

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If I see one more knucklehead giving me some vague pabulum about "the elite" I'm doing to eat someone's face. With a fork.

Sh1t just get out of hand in the M.E.
Arma-fkin-geddon, folks

MASS PROTESTS PLANNED IN SYRIA FOR SATURDAY - THE ZIONIST RULERS WILL PAY DEARLY AND GOOD RIDDANCE TO THEM


Opposition movements in Syria are attempting to mobilize for mass protests on Saturday against the rule of President Bashar Al-Assad, in the latest sign of how Egypt's violent revolt could be spreading through the region, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI, a Washington-based organization that studies and translates news accounts and social-media postings.

The groups are organizing on social networking websites Facebook and Twitter, with several pages promoting protests in the capital Damascus, the northern city of Aleppo, and other regions. Organizers are calling for freedom of speech, better living standards and improvements in human rights, the institute said.

online.wsj.com...

Jordan.

Jordan's king sacks Cabinet; protests possible in Syria
King Abdullah II of Jordan instructs new Prime Minister Marouf Bakhit to 'correct the mistakes of the past.' In Syria, the recent popular revolts in the Arab world have spurred calls for anti-government protests.

www.latimes.com...

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